I find it disturbing that a Dentist would do drugs. It doesn't matter what you put on here, I stand behind everything I said. It is just that you took it out of context because I did not explain it well. I had written it to warn the patients against going, but I was working on a blog to fully explain it and I have only a couple of paragraphs so far. My purpose in posting was to warn the poster who had an appt with Morales and another poster who was considering going to him. You can follow my posts back to that origin.
"The apple does not fall far from the tree
I suppose if your mother was advising you
to hide the truth.:
THIS IS A HORRIBLE THING TO WRITE, BUT IS PAR FOR THE COURSE FOR YOU. YOU SEEM TO HAVE NO DISCRETION WHEN MAKING RUDE NASTY COMMENTS TO PEOPLE. YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM ON CUREZONE, WHY PEOPLE CANNOT GET ALONG. I AM APPAULED BY THIS STATEMENT. MY MOTHER IS WORRIED ABOUT ME POSTING ABOUT THE DRUGS BECAUSE I AM CLOSE TO MEXICO AND SHE IS 1200 MILES AWAY AND SHE DOESN'T WANT ME HURT.
"It boogles my mind that you have used your
forum as the doorway to someone you knew
was not on the up and up and who ASKED you
to HIDE the truth"
I worked for Morales for years and he had relatively few complaints and if there were any posted online, he asked they be removed. I wrote to the Webmaster and he removed them. So, he was the one who made that decision, not me. But, those complaints Morales was ok with, he had me convinced for years that the complaints were unwarranted. Recently, there were more and I started not to believe him, which is why I quit. You somehow keep getting it in your head that I knew he was a bad Dentist and sent people anyway. That was NOT the case. He always managed to convince me he was good. But, the last few months he has not been able to and that is why I quit.
"If people go
to your web link offered in the posts which
are STILL in your forum, they see pictures
of Dr. Morales."
You love drama, but if you would bother to read the other posts I have made, you would see that I said there are hundreds of old posts and I have to spend a lot of time removing pictures. I will take them off, but it takes some time. I have already removed many of them that I came across, but I did not think much about it when I quit, so it was not a mission for me to go through all the old posts. Still, I am working on it. If I wanted people to go to Morales, I would not have written the warnings to those two recent posters who were going to go, the thing that started this whole mess.
"Anyone can go
through my posting history and you will not
find the history of a troll"
I have been through your history and I do consider you a troll.
"I do not believe you when you say he wrote you
and said you need to answer Zoe's "attack"??"
I did not say that, you always take things out of context for senastionalism He told me to address these posts. You and another person were making the posts, so I put your name. No, he just said to answer them.
"I worked for Morales for years and he had relatively few complaints and if there were any posted online, he asked they be removed. I wrote to the Webmaster and he removed them. So, he was the one who made that decision, not me."
Take responsibility Torrie for your choices.
If you had cared more, perhaps those woman
would not be facing the uncertainties and symptoms
they are...
Is it true that you referred to Morales as St. Morales
as another poster said you had. Just curious.
So what if I called him saint morales? I came here and got well from going to his office. I believed in him and for a a long time. I suppose you have never believed in someone who turned out to not be the person you thought they were, right. He treated me bad and things just got worse until one day I realized that no matter what changes I did, he was not going to treat me well. I blamed myself for years, ordering self-improvement programs and doing everything I could think of to change so he would treat me right. He treated patients well, they would tell me how great he was, but not me, me he treated like crap on many occasions. I took it because he convinced me he was better and smarter and worthy of me bowing at his feet.
Sorry, this is TMI...I do not want to know
how dysfunctional your personal relationship
was with this man.
The tragedy is he had so much control over
you that you let years go by and enabled
him, and it seems like you may still be
enabling him if this post is accurate~~
There is no need to preach to me about
bowing to some shyster's feet...and no,
I have been fortunate not to have been
involved in these kinds of shenanigans.
My integrity is intact. Early on, my
elders taught me that my word was the
only thing of importance I had. Money
and anything else was not as important as
my word. The few whippings I got as a kid
were not for doing something naughty, it
was for LYING about it~! I learned my
lesson...
That was not a referral to Morales, that was a Huggins Clinic here and I do not even work for them. You keep posting in this forum the same exact thing that I answer in the Webmaster forum. You read the answers and reply to them and intentionally accuse me of the same things in here so that I have to make two posts. I asked you to stop doing that, so I am waiting...
I don't know how in your mind you ever justified your actions, but causing unjust harm to a human being is an offense against humanity. If you didn't realize the seriousness of your actions before, you do now. So at least do not defend yourself by minimizing your irresponsibility and offense against us all, you mock humanity by doing so AND you offend the integrity of Curezone.
You also diminish your own integrity and offend your conscience (as per poetic justice, your conscience will never let you forget that). Whether you own up to what you've done is your choice, but do not mock humanity or Curezone by defending your actions.
I told the truth. I have no idea what you are speaking about. Spirit asked me to answer these posts. So, if I do not tell the truth, what would you expect me to write? And, keep in mind, so far I have only addressed the drug issue, not anything else, yet. If you want to not believe this, that is up to you. But, it makes no common sense I would send anyone to a drug addict and especially when I was not paid for most of the patients. So, I did not know about the cocaine until recently and when I confronted him, he denied it, except for the office he had with Hal. But, I don't think I believe that now.
Torrie, I personally know of 3 people (including myself) who found it necessary to start saving your comments to our own personal backup files on our own computers, starting some time ago. Something is seriously wrong when lots of unconnected people find it necessary to each start such action on their own behalf to save others from harm. You have started a Movement.
I among others have copied your statements, and I also have been forwarded personal emails from yet another person who you sent emails to. When you were sending very disparaging comments about Morales to people on a personal level through emails and telling them not to go to Morales because of his shoddy work, you were at the same time selling and praising his services on Curezone. That isn't memory lapse Torrie, that's fraud. Fraud in every sense including legally and morally.
And you should be worried about it Torrie, because not only can you not fix what you have created, I see no effort in you to change. You are either decietful and fraudulent, or clueless and delusional. Either way you have no business being in the business of telling people how to address their health issues. Yet you are planning to continue your exploits by selling other dentists. Are these new dentists aware of this whole issue? If I were a dentist I wouldn't want to be linked to this whole Morales/Torrie drama in any way whatsoever. What do you tell these new dentists about your track record? Will you give them your up-and-coming story of "Morales Made Me Do It"? I can only assume those new dentists won't be informed by you.
You blame Morales for your actions, Curezoners for repeating your comments verbatim, your parents for your mercury poisoning, the Mexican surgeon who botched your surgery, the people who run Curezone... everyone but yourself.
I can't believe I know all of this by memory, and I don't even make an effort to keep up with it all...
This isn't over Torrie by a long shot. The thousands of patients you referred to Morales over the last 5 years will continue to trickle in to Curezone when they are again hopeless and looking for guidance to fix his shoddy work. Unfortunately this will continue to be a black mark on Curezone for some time.
Me? I plan on sticking around Curezone for quite some time. Fortunaltely there are people here like Zoebess and others who keep me coming back. People who do the right thing even when it means it costs them - sacrificing their own time, money, patience, and image (being called a troll isn't fun, and actually quite libelous) to help others. That is what being human is all about. Doing the right thing regardless of how much it costs or pays out.
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no. Call me if you have any questions. [Edit: number deleted]
-AHarleyGyrl
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I am curious at to why you are directing everyone here to call you. Are you trying to get their personal information like real name and phone number? Are you giving people different information over the phone, than what you are posting here on Curezone?
I can not believe this shit. I was having curezone as a superb forum, the best one, but I always had a bad feeling about Torry, plugging this Morales all the time.
It seems to me it was all about money. And this post will be deleted also.
I also wanted to post her story on my site alternativecomplementarymedicine.com
where i posted several articles from curezone.
Seems to me that here are alot of lies and money greed.
Torie you disssapointed me so much, YOu were fucking plugging that Mexican all the time. These people will tear you apart. Your name will never be cleaned. Never play with people health. NEVER.
I know Amalgam is super dangerous. I know root canals ar bad, but puting root canaled tooth under rait skin and the same disease reapperaing in rabbit that seemed %¤#&!§-to me.
Just my thought.
This is such a disgrace. I am so dissapointed about curezone.
I will post this stuff on alternativecomplementarymedicine.com
Torrie you are a sellout, you could be a goddess but you choosed the eveil way
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I told the truth. I have no idea what you are speaking about. Spirit asked me to answer these posts. So, if I do not tell the truth, what would you expect me to write? And, keep in mind, so far I have only addressed the drug issue, not anything else, yet. If you want to not believe this, that is up to you. But, it makes no common sense I would send anyone to a drug addict and especially when I was not paid for most of the patients. So, I did not know about the cocaine until recently and when I confronted him, he denied it, except for the office he had with Hal. But, I don't think I believe his denial now. -AHarleyGyrl
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So you aren't sure if Morales did cocaine, and not sure if you believe him or not, but you thought it was ok to call him a coke-head based on hearsay, spreading it all over the internet and use Curezone as the medium to do it? And you didn't reveal this "critical information" until you had a falling out with Morales and he owed you money? And you have an up-coming revealing story about Morales to share with everybody to stir things up even more?
That would be "Libel" (slander) and "Defamation of Character" according to the law here in the US, and now Curezone itself could be at some risk of liability because of your whole charade. Your intent to defame is certainly there, and any evidence you have of cocaine use is highly suspect.
Your mother was right to suggest you stay away from Mexico now. They do things a little differently down there Torrie. Will you have to choose between Mexican justice and US justice?
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"I only refer to Huggins Certified Dentists." -AHarleyGyrl
"After I quit, I asked Morales why his ex-girlfriend kept accusing him of doing cocaine (she also said he did it in the office). He said, "Oh she's talking about when I was with Hal Huggins." He told me he and the receptionist were staying up late partying and doing cocaine. That is pretty-much all he said about it. He had an office with Hal Huggins in the mid to late 90s." -AHarleyGyrl
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So you are only referring patients to Huggins Certified Dentists now, and at the same time find it professional to bring up cocaine use connected to Hal Huggins' name and organization. I'm just wondering how this adds into your marketing strategy of making Hal Huggins and his organization look good. Using his name for your benefit, and dragging it through the mud at the same time, all based on something you heard but still aren't real sure about believing (again hearsay).
When is your tell-all tabloid story explaining why you were forced against your will to send thousands of patients to a known hack dentist being released? I admit I am looking forward to reading it.
For someone who would want to maintain Hal Huggins' and his organization's good reputation to generate your sales referrals to Huggins certified dentists, I find it disturbing that you would drag Hal Huggins (and his entire organization) into this by connecting them with cocaine use. You attempt to clear your name by discrediting Morales, to the point you must discredit others associated with him, and thus find it necessary to drag even more people into it - people who are actually helping your career.
What would Hal Huggins and his certified dentists think when they read this thread? And their patients? What would they think of Curezone?
And why would they want your name connected to them?
Since you take no responsibility for yourself, who else are you going to find to drag into this in the attempt to justify your actions?
What I have noticed is that you call people TROLLS
every time your sheet is being called to task and
you want it deleted so you start a little flaming
by calling people trolls and then the moderators
or Webmaster come in and clean up your screaming
and name calling and usually the thread that
precipitated your tantrum.
Instead of addressing the above person's issues with
your posting about someone she respects, you
minimize it and dismiss it as nonsense and do not
take responsibility for it.
You have never shown any remorse or empathy for
the women who have been hurt.
It was shown yesterday (in a thread that was hidden
to protect the poster's personal info) that as late
as September 5th, you were promoting Tijuana as a
place to come, fast and cheap, you write. You also
write how Huggins suggests that there needs to be
chelating protocols done before the Amalgam removal
and you go on to ridicule that and say you think it
is not necessary. There IS reason to question your
advice in light of that.
Dr. Phil likes to say, “You can't change what you don't acknowledge.”
I think that quote is appropriate here...
Also, I think it is telling that after all the time
I have known you to post, you have had a picture of
yourself as your avatar, and then on the day you
say the Webmaster *wrote* you to instruct you to
respond to *attacks* on you, that you would don the
avatar of Jerry Springer in drag. In addition, you chose
to address the issues in the Amalgam Forum in the Webmaster Forum where you know you can scream and kick
and call names (which you did) knowing it will most
likely get deleted. It did not make your explanation
any more credible for making it appear to be endorsed
by Jerry Springer. It was a mockery of our concerns
and indicated to me that your intentions were not
serious.
Anyway, whether it be sooner or later, you will be
found to be crying wolf, and protesting too much.
You ARE NOT the victim here of the posters who were
hurt, nor by me and others who are calling you to
task to own that you hid important negative information
on the request of Dr. Morales. Yesterday you blamed
the webmasters of the different sites, as if that
would relieve you of any culpability. It only compounded
your responsibility to me since you abused the webmaster's
trust when involving him in covering up Dr. Morales's
failings.
I doubt you would know the truth of the matter any
more....but I also imagine that you may have gotten
yourself involved in some shady business dealings and
yeah, probably the above poster is right, if Dr. Javier
Morales's name is googled and these forum posts come
up where you are alleging he is only into his business
for sex, drugs and money...well, perhaps you DO need to
stay inside and lock the doors.
I do feel sorry for you that you have not been able
to acknowledge any of your responsibility and it seems
it will be a cold day in 'ell before you ever apologize
for anything.
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