This is a short summary of excerpts taken from Be Wise As Sperpents Part II Chapter 1. Since this precedes Chapter 2 which itself chronicles in painful detail the infiltration "capture" of the Catholic Church, chapter 1 could very well be titled "the capture of the Church of England" which by extension is the same as the infiltration of Anglican / Episcopalian / Protestant / Methodist / Baptist / Brethern / Lutheran / and-pretty-much-any-low-order-spinoff-denomination-under-the-banner-of-Christian Church. Couple these capturings to the painfully detailed account in the previous post A Blank Check, together these constitute a trifecta of sorts in the conquering-by-way-of-masonic-infilitration of pretty much any and all denominations of significance under the grand umbrella of modern-day churchianity & religiousity. As a lead in, a couple significant quotes are provided that showcase the overall sorry state of affairs with regards to the co-joined modern institutions (commercial industries) of church & religion.
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"The three infamous assassins are Law, Property and Religion." So says the official ritual of the 33rd (last) degree ritual of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite"
The 33rd degree Jewish Mason Paul Rosen wrote in 1888 - "Once Religion is dead, Law and Property will fall to our mercy, and we shall be able to regenerate society by founding on the corpses of the assassins of man, Masonic Religion, Masonic Law, and Masonic Property."1 And the Masons are doing this. This book shows the documentation of how Christianity has been systematically assassinated and the world "regenerated" by Masonic "religion."
The official organ of the Scottish Rite The New Age in Sept. 1921 put out an article "Freemasonry as a World Power". In this article they state by the pen of a 32° Mason,:
"Freemasonry may be a 'World Power,' but all the power in the world is of little use to the man who will not use it. The mightiest of levers may be in the strongest of hands; but if it lay there to no conscious purpose, nothing is ever moved." After calling on its Masonic readership to use the power of Freemasonry, they conclude, "Then 'Freemasonry as a World Power' will stand revealed as unconquered and unconquerable."2
This book will show how the most powerful men have used Freemasonry as a lever to move the world to their vision of a one-world-religion one-world-government. How does the Power control Christian religions? The following chart gives the Power's basic system for control............
THE INFILTRATION OF THE BAPTISTS The largest of any Protestant denomination in the U.S. are the Southern Baptists. How widespread is Freemasonry in this largest denomination? 40% of the Southern Baptist ministers are Masons.19 Not only are large numbers of Baptist ministers Freemasons, but the various Baptist denominational leaderships are heavily Masonic..........
THE BAPTISTS & THE NEW AGE Will the Masons who are Baptists protect their flock from the New Age?
In answering this, this Author is reminded of how one evening his wife was remarking how the Baptist Senator Mark Hatfield was being shown on television. The news was about a Masonic gathering for the Senator.43 Yes, this prominent Baptist Senator, and there are other Baptist Senators who also are or have been Masons, is a 32 degree Freemason. This Author has it from first hand sources that the Senator attends meetings with witches and other New Age activities. This is just one of many Baptist Masons who are involved with the New Age.
The Masonic influence seems to be the best explanation for the seepage of New Age propoganda into the Baptist churches.
The ancient Hindu occult symbol the Ennegram was introduced and promoted in the U.S. by the representative of The Mother. The Mother is the leader of the New Age community at Auroville, India. Maurice and Hanna Strong, who have connections to the Order, to the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds, are the leaders in the U.S. promoting the Mother. Each year, her disciples make pilgrimages back to Auroville for an international meeting.44 The ennegram has spread into many areas of Christendom— but its use is no accident, it has been promoted. Nor has the heavily Masonic Baptist leadership prevented its use by Baptist leadership. Shirley Ann Miller, an ex-occultist who became a Christian writes, "No one really knows where the enneagram came from but it is believed to have originated around the 14th or 15th Century by mystics called the Sufis and the Jesuits."45 Whatever a person believes is its pagan origin, it is now being promoted by Catholic Charismatics, mystics, New Agers, and uninformed Christians.
The Southern Baptist churches have been inviting the New Age author M. Scott Peak, an open promoter of Zen Buddhism, to speak to their congregations. Zen Buddhism, as the reader remembers, has no personal God, but does have plenty of meditation and works, and expects the individual to find his own salvation.46
"Recently in The Baptist Stand, the most widely distributed Baptist publication in the state of Texas, a top official of the Southern Baptist Convention suggested that Baptist churches did not have to worry about losing members to New Age Churches since, ‘There are no New Age churches.' "47
In a perverse way, there is a tiny element of truth in that, some Baptist churches don't need to fear losing their members to New Age churches because THEY ARE NEW AGE CHURCHES.
For instance, Rodney R. Romney, the senior minister of the First Baptist Church in Seattle wrote a book, which on the back cover says "MISSION: To find God. METHOD: By finding one's self." Opening the book we find out that "To understand God is to finally realize one's own godhead." Romney advocates using Eastern Mysticism, Sufism, and T.M.(Transindental Meditation) 48 .....
What are the costs to the Christian churches of the various pseudo-scriptural ideas that Masons are intoducing into the churches? What are these? Unquestioned Christian support for Israel. That Israel will rebuild the Temple and reintroduce the Temple sacrifices. That the Jewish rites (blood sacrifices) will be restored. That Christians should not worry about the One-World- Power, that they will be secretly raptured. But are these Biblical ideas?
Before examining if they are Biblical, let us note which denomination has been very instrumental in pushing these ideas — the Southern Baptists. The Southern Baptist leadership, which was Masonic, has promoted Masonry to the rank and file. During the 1920s the Southern Baptists joined the Masons by the millions. This had a Christianizing effect, but it also gave good cover for the died-in-wool members of Satanic cults, who used their Baptist membership as a cover. As an example of Baptist doctrine The Encyclopedia of Southern Baptists, Vol. IV, states "The Millenial Kingdom will be predominately Jewish with headquarters in Palestine and Temple worship in Jerusalem."54 Although this Author doesn't want to take the space at this point to show it, the idea that temple blood sacrifices will be restored is completely contrary to the work of Christ, and is actually part of The Plan, the satanic plan to carry out blood sacrifices in the open.55........
AN EXAMPLE Before examining these ideas, let us look at one good example of a leading Baptist Mason who was very useful in spreading these ideas from the pulpit and radio. His name is Rufus McKinley Dodrill. People in Indianapolis will remember him for several things. Some remember there was a bad spirit in his large Broadway church. After his death his large Broadway Church practically vanished.(This is where the importance of the long range consequences of our actions can be seen.) Others will remember how he spoke over the radio for 37 years, much of it on prophecy. Others will remember how most of the Baptist churches in that area were spin-offs from Dodrill's Broadway Baptist Church. Dodrill wrote about the Secret Rapture in his book Keep Your Eye on the Sky : The Key to Prophecy which was published in 1972. He provides a big chart of his Dispensational Premillenial overview of history in the book's back. On page 31 he states, "When Billy Graham will have finished his last evangelistic campaign, he will have preached the Gospel to every nation."56
A little further on p. 42 one reads that he is fully aware many scriptures contradict his Secret Rapture theory. "As I have studied prophecy over the years I was struck by apparent contradictions...How could Jesus come as a thief in the night and yet at the same time on the clouds of great glory and every eye see him?" He finds the key to this contradiction (which to him proves an invisible rapture) is that a certain week in Daniel's prophecy "was postponed till the end of the Church Age." He sees the figure of 144,000 as literal Jewish evangelists and that the Jewish Kingdom of David will be restored. That the man was a Mason doesn't mean his doctrines are necessarily wrong. But it is important for Christian to go back and unravel who has been teaching us some of these doctrines and where they originated. It is especially critical to our study of the One-World-Religion because the Secret Pre-Trib rapture theory has almost wiped out Christian oppostition to the One-World-Power. Upset Christians have confronted this Author, "Why are you bothering about this, we are going to be raptured. God is not going to allow us to suffer." ....[is this boiler-plate conventional wisdom / public opinion of churchianity speak or what?-Oh]
ARE THESE IDEAS BIBLICAL? The Pre-Trib rapture theory has been discredited by Theologians, and has fallen into disrepute in recent years with Bible scholars. Even so, it comes as a shock to many to hear that the teaching is not in the Bible. (This isn't to say that no one claims it comes from the Bible. As this is a historical expose¡¯ not a doctrinal dissertation, the reader is encouraged to examine the Secret Rapture and why it is not Biblical from other sources.)
The Encyclopedia of American Religions by J. Gordon Melton states that the Rapture idea started with Margaret McDonald in 1830.
For 18 centuries, Christians had believed in what is called today the Post-Trib Rapture¡ªthat is that when Christ returned they would be caught up with him. This is what 1 Thes 4:13-18 clearly indicates. However, several Protestant groups in Ireland, Scotland and England, with Jesuit ties, began preaching a secret Rapture after Margaret's visions.
A confluence of two sources, a Scottish lady Margaret McDonald with her visions, and the Irvingites, helped influence Darby to adopt the Rapture theory. The first source was a channeler or spirit medium, and the second source, the Irvingites, received their teaching from a "Rabbi Ben Ezra" which was the pen-name of a Jesuit Emanual Lacunza (pronounced Lacuntha)(1731- 1801) of Spanish heritage.
Margaret McDonald lived near Glasgow, Scotland at Port Glasgow. A brilliant Englishman Dr. Robert Norton, was an actual witness of what Margaret had spoken during her visions, and had also received her written accounts of everything. Her first vision was Feb. 1, 1830. Her visions that the Christians would be raptured seperately before Christ would return came in the spring of 1830. Norton cleared the air with his rare book The Restoration of Apostles and Prophets; In the Catholic Apostolic Church in 1861. This book tells the story of how Margaret's visions started the Rapture belief.
The Irishman John Darby, Robert Norton, and a number of Irvingites, and many others came to Margaret's house to hear her visions. Edward Irving (an ex-Scottish Presbyterian) wrote in a letter "The substance of Mary Campbell's and Margaret Macdonald's visions or revelations, given in their papers, carry to me a spiritual conviction and a spiritual reproof which I cannot express." 57 It did not take Irving long after Margaret's visions to first begin to preach the Rapture. He also then translated the work of Lacunza, knowing full well that it was the work of a Jesuit priest. The earliest mention of the Pre-Trib Rapture by this minister, who had been preaching during the 1820s, was in a letter written soon after July 6,1830.58 The Plymouth Brethren, even before Darby's influence, had heard in Plymouth, England in 1831, a sermon on the Pre-Trib rapture by Captain Percy Hall.59 Two lawyers, Darby and Schofield, promoted the Rapture theory in the U.S. Darby made trips across the U.S. during the 1860s and 1870s promoting the Rapture. Darby himself had some tainted connections during this time period.
In Dublin, Ireland, in the Brethren assembly, seven leaders were chosen, and Edward Cronin was one of these. Edward Cronin was an ex-Catholic who preached the masonic slogan "liberty, equality, and fraternity." He was into a type of mystic Christian belief system. These Brethren churches were part of the Tractarian movement supported secretly by the Jesuits, and to which Darby joined himself to in 1827.60
Darby also spent time with Irvingites and Tractarians in meetings at Lady Powerscourt's castle in 1833.
In England, The Oxford Movement, a secret Jesuit program to destroy Protestantism, published tracts promoting the Rapture. A Robert Baxter began prophecying and receiving angelic communications, which included the Rapture. On Presbyterian Church caught up in this early Charismatic movement, formally applied to become Roman Catholic. Later, Baxter declared that the messages he had received, although supernatural, had come from Satan.61
Since that time an interesting host of religious leaders have promoted the Secret Pre-Trib Rapture, Herbert Armstrong, Oral Roberts, Seiss (one originator of Pyramid prophecy ideas), Hal Lindsey, and the 33rd degree Mason and Southern Baptist Billy Graham.......
His rise to fame started in Los Angeles. In 1949, his first Los Angeles Crusade was launched. Notable Holywood entertainers attended such as Stewart Hamlin. William Randolph Hearst, head of the large Hearst newspaper chain, directed all his newspaper editors to give Graham wide coverage with the command, "Puff Graham"....
Since that first publicity, the Jewish press, Jewish religious leaders, the Federal Council of Churches of Christ, the World Council of Churches and others have been bragging on Billy Graham. For instance, "Dr. G. Paul Musselman, Executive Director of the Department of Evangelism of the National Council of Churches, spoke in warm terms about the work of evangelist Billy Graham...'I call Billy Graham the...greatest of the ecumenical voices,'..."66
The New Order Power has spent an enormous amount of energy, time and money to build up Graham's image. And Billy Graham has stayed away from controversy. Because Graham had connections to the New World Order, they got him booked in the communist countries. This seems more evident when we read Graham's Mason friend Robert Schuler's explanation for why Schuler was allowed into Russia to preach. The Mason Robert Schuler explained his success in becoming the first televangelist to be on Soviet T.V. as both a combination of 1. having friends like Armand Hammer and 2. because his approach would not be sectarian nor evangelistic, but would be a message of "possibility thinking."67
For those not aware, the late Armand Hammer was close to the center of the New World Order's center of power, and was a go-between for the World Order and their men who ruled in the Kremlin. According to reports, Hammer brought instructions each time as to who was to rule the U.S.S.R. each time there was a change. Hammer was a friend of the Mountbattans and the Rothschilds.....
Christ warned us to beware when all men spoke good of us, and to realize that it is harder for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a.... The simple meaning of his words should not be lost in all the wealth and the mansion part of an evangelist's life.
Finally, if we want to get blunt about it, Billy Graham, your worship of Lucifer is unscriptural.
For the reader's edification, let us review how the upper levels of Satanism operate. The llluminati requires its people to have a cover, preferably a cover identity that is very respected. In order to keep their Satanic power, as Satanists rise through the ranks of Satanism, they must maintain a balance between their good deeds and their evil. If this balance is lost, they lose their power and in the highly competitive llluminati are destroyed. This is why some of the leading llluminati are some of the most respected and leading philanthropists.
Let us take an example. Was Jimmy Carter a. a Christian, b. a Satanist, or c. both ? This Author would say both.
Jimmy Carter came from a family involved in Satanism. His sister was the highest witch in North America. His brother Billy is famous for his friendship with Quaddafi. Jimmy Carter was programmed by the Tavistock Institute. Tavistock Institute pyschologist Dr. Peter Bourne picked Carter for President because he had undergone "an intensive brainwashing program administered by Admiral Hyman Rickover at Annapolis.” (Mullins, The World Order, p. 192) Tavistock also maintains two schools at the Rothschild's old haunt Frankfurt, Germany.
Through programming the llluminati are able to create multiple personalities. These people can have some personalities that serve God, and others that are Satanic. The various personalities are called alters. While on the llluminati's top Council of 13 before turning his life over to Christ, Johnny Todd got a memo from the Rothschilds (the Satanic headquarters) telling him that Jimmy Carter was totally reliable for the Satanists. Todd also has revealed that Carter is a Mason and part of the llluminati.
Knowing then how Satanism works, we would expect that a high ranking Satanist would need to have the respectibility that Billy Graham has. That is the way they operate. It is also quite normal for these people to have respectible covers and multiple personalities.....
Billy Graham groped blindfolded in the Masonic Lodge and declared before the Worshipful Masonic Lodge Master that he was in need of light. How rediculous for a Christian evangelist who claims to have the light of the world, to beg a pagan hierarchy for light. Billy Graham has repeatedly taken blood oaths on penalty of gruesome death to keep the Masonic Lodge's secrets and to deceive others about their activities. When such a man as an international evangelist swears to be dishonest, is dishonest, and takes blood oaths, then this is a reproach on the Bible and on Christ...........
I would have to say that the three assassins which
were penned down in the 1800's have transmuted into
222 times that many ways that "the elect" will be
fulfilling their own prophecy. I imagine though that
once they unleash the hounds of hell through the
weaponization of food and use of nano technology and
abuse of DNA, that the main principles may have to
stay a long time in their hidey-holes before they
can emerge to reclaim their kingdom on earth. The
biblical reality may be that once again, man plans,
and God laughs. They may find the world that has
fallen at their feet is no longer worth walking
on for a couple of thousand years.
Okay, that is the worse case scenario...ggg. The
other disappointment though is realizing that all
along, the white hats were just a ruse and that we
had no leaders of our country, our democracy, only
deceivers. I am still chewing on that reality and
it may take a long time to get it down. It does not
taste good and my thoughts these days are ones which
hope that karma will spin out some well deserved
retribution for those who dish up evil in so many ways.
Thanks for sharing...very interesting look back on
what people were thinking about the future which is
where we are, speculating again, of the future and
what the next hundred years will bring...okay the
next five~!
blessings,
Zoe
-_-
ps. living in Texas, I can attest that these Baptists
here are no ordinary Baptists...they carry guns and
would fight what is labeled evil in a skinny second~!
(imho)
thanks for that confirmation from the trenches.... in Texas, Zoe. I was sort of hoping that others like you, Donna and others would lend further credance to what Fritz has exposed.
RE: the three assassins of law, property and religion:
in covert terms, the framework for the assassin "property" itself being assassinated was accomplished decades ago...the people just haven't figured this out yet....too busy being enamored with New Deal I suppose....but this is what the establishment of the Federal Reserve Bank was really all about...as well as the animation into political life it's co-depdendent credit/money-collection/property thief & legbreaker organization IRS.....and the subsequent choreogaphed financial collapse by way of "the great depression"....and the reason fdr was put into office to quietly oversee the official foreclosure & disenfranchisement of the people from their property. These are all part and parcel of the framework of destroying through plundering the people's right to the people's property down to a fixture and down to their very most sacred forms of property - their labor and their body with which they labor..... and doctrines of false religions being relentlessly hammered into the people's heads played a principle role in all of this down through the years.
How about the assassin of law? Yes, the framework for it's assassination has long been in place as well. The actions of the past several presidential administrations point out in plain, overt terms how the principle of real law in this country and in this world is dead... and in it's place have been put fictions of law with the authority at any moment to decree that it is whatever they say it is. It has become so overt that the present administration now churns constant examples of such lawlessness, month by month, day by day and some days - the really good days for the Satanic Power, hour by hour. .
That's two down and one to go...that's right, you guessed it, the framework for the death of the assassin known as religion is also well in place and has been further creeping into that position of superior authority for....conservatively, 8 to 10 thousand years.
PS. Here is one more excerpt from the same chapter that caps all of this destruction-through-subversion of humanity in somewhat present-day terms.
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These groups of churches are showing movement toward the One-World-Religion. They are adopting the ideas that New Agers are planting within the churches, using New Age language and moving toward ecumenicalism. In visiting with Church of Christ ministers this Author has experienced a lack of knowledge on their part as to what are New Age ideas as compared to Biblical Christianity.
(By the way, there has been attempt to bring these items - that this Author is bringing up in this book - before the Christians practicing them. Those that have been contacted by myself or others have stubbornly refused to listen, and so it is hoped that by some chance some of the many people contacted will read this book and see the bigger issues at stake. When a Church of Christ asks the United Methodist church to have communion with it, the issues at stake are much larger than simply “do we like them or not”.)
Churches, like the Churches of Christ, are easy targets for the many schemes the New Order has thought up to subvert the churches. They in general fell for the one where, in exchange for signing on a paper denying Christ as the head of the church, the churches received a tax exempt status.
The top secret Operations Research Technical Manual TM-SW7905.1 that the Bilderbergers Policy Committee uses, which is discussed elsewhere (chapter 3.6) spells out one of their methods to subvert the Christians. Because the Church of Christ doesn't take a stand against military service, this tactic has been and will be sucessful as one tool to subvert there members.
Quoting one part of this TM SW7905.1 we read:
"Few efforts of human behavior modification are more remarkable or more effective than that of the socio-military institution known as the draft. A primary purpose of a draft or other such institution is to instill, by intimidation, in the young males of a society the uncritical conviction that the government is omnipotent. He is soon taught that a prayer is slow to reverse what a bullet can do in an instant. Thus, a man trained in a religious environment for eighteen years of his life can, by this instrument of government, be broken down, be purged of all his fantasies and delusions in a matter of mere months. Once that conviction is instilled, all else becomes easy to instill. Even more interesting is the process by which a young man's parents, who purportedly love him, can be induced to send him off to war to his death."
The manual goes on to say that part of the reason for drafting men is to corrupt them. Why?
"It further serves to make the youth as guilty as the elders, thus making criticism of the elders by the youth less likely (Generational Stabilizer). It is marketed and sold to the public under the label of 'patriotic = national' service."
In other words, the New World Order realizes that if the young men of this country have moral superiority over their elders they will stand up to them when asked to do something amoral or immoral. By making them do things that they can be made to feel guilty for under the guise of defending their homeland—like fighting in Vietnam, they have eliminated moral opposition by creating another generation of guilt ridden young men. This highlights what you will learn in chapter 3.10 "Where the rubber meets the road" where we discuss methods to cope in a Christ-like way with the New Order.
If there is a lack of safeguards for the Church of Christ churches, that is not the situation with the next denomination we will discuss.
Cowboy churches are being planted all over the place. There's a massive one near my parents' home, we've got one west of Waco that started, maybe, two years ago and already has several hundred members and I think they've already done a plant. I have a sweet friend that attends one and she just gushes about it. It meets a need because there has never been a church where a cowboy could feel comfortable, A cowboy has farm or ranch chores to do every day, sun up and sun down. He doesn't want to put on his jeans to do his chores, then clean up and change into a suit, go to church, and come back and change into his jeans again. These guys are more comfortable in a barn sitting on a bale of hay than sitting in some formal church on a hard pew. He likes country music with country words he can understand- not a lot of thees and thines and thou shalt nots.
So the cowboy churches meet in barns, they have rodeos, they worship to country music, they do horse shows as a part of their worship teams, they all seem to drive white pickups, and the churches are growing by leaps and bounds. But they don't bring their guns to church!
Zoe, you know that you and I and my Mennonite neighbor are just about the only people in Texas who don't own guns... it's just a part of being Texan.
Did the cowboy church spin off of the Baptist church? I have no idea.
I haven't heard anything bad about the cowboy churches at all. I personally think it's a good thing.
Absolutely, I think Cowboy Church is a good idea.
Everyone around here goes to the local one. I would
probably go myself just to see but my Baptist neighbor
has taken me to task more than once since she is not
happy I pray to God instead of praying to Jesus and
so I do not want to rock any boats since if someone
asked, I would probably tell them the same thing and
no need upsetting people, especially cowboys~! I
think anyone can go though.
Ha~! Everyone would like me to have a gun. I did
entertain having one the other day since I was out
hiking and felt a little vulnerable for the first
time. I asked my neighbor if a wild hog would attack
a human and he assured me the hog, some which can
be mammoth, much bigger than me~, would run away
unless I handled a stray baby.
At one point, when we were discussing protecting our
property in case of looting, here in the house, everyone
but me agreed to hold guns and be willing to shoot. I said
I would be glad to toss biscuits or bottles of water to
them...ggg. Of course, it is really easy to joke about,
but here in Texas, it is shoot first and ask questions
never. You do not go on anyone's property and if you do,
you may get shot and the owner would be protected by law.
In town, there are places you can go shoot guns for
a good date. Silly me, I thought you rented a gun for
an hour. Noooo...you bring your OWN gun~!
Yeah, I am a pacifist. I would speculate I am also
an endangered species~! I will also confess to having
a pretty powerful stun gun. One of my friends insisted
on gifting me with it specifically because I have said
I will not shoot anyone. My neighbor guy likes to play
with it and tease his wife about trying it out on HER~!
Me, I find it something that hangs on a hook and I have
to replace the batteries once a year, and pray I never
feel the need to use it...
See, that's what scares me in a way about the TTC/NAU thing. When we say "don't mess with Texas," we mean it! I don't know what Perry and the Bush's are doing- too much tequila I guess... My son and I were discussing Robert E Lee today in history class. You know Lincoln asked him to head up the Union Army. Lee answered, "Sir, I love the United States, but I love Virginia more." Lee's grnadfather crafted the document that Thomas Jefferson used to create the Declaration of Independence. You KNOW the Lee family understood the importance of independent states and a small central government.
Anyway, you know your Texas history, and you know Texans have always been fighters and a little renegade when it comes to governments- Mexican or US Fed or Confederate. Look at the battle of Gonzales. They were outnumbered but somehow they got that cannon. The Mexican Army wanted it back and approached this little settlement with massive troop involvement. The men knew they didn't stand a chance but they said "Come and take it!" They had it buried in somebody's cornfield. Those guys died fighting for what they believed in and the widows told the grandkids the story. Same thing happened at the Alamo.
So all that history has trained us to fight for the right to keep what's ours, and that includes the right to keep and bear. I seriously think there will be bloodshed before the NAU thing is over.
I'm kinda surprised you've got a stun gun. Honestly, as much as I dislike the idea, I've thought about getting a conceal and carry license myself.
If you want to go to a Cowboy Church just to have a look-see, you should go! Just go as a "seeker." They're not going to lynch you for not believing in Jesus! Good heavens, there are a lot of churched people who aren't believers. You could tell them you're a former Catholic and you're looking for something more. If you like it, you can make some new friends and take it from there. If it's not for you, then you'll know and your curiosity will be satisfied.
Most likely, if you've lived somewhere long
enough, you can *feel* the blood in the soil
and understand, if not appreciate a man's
desire to fight & die for the land, if need be.
Certainly Americans, if you are born here, feel
that way, since no other place is home.
I do have a stun gun but it was not something I
would have bought. It was a gift and one which
I have thought about since it is very telling that
some one would worry so much about me, and gulp,
that I do not worry so much perhaps is a blind
spot.
I do hope never to have to need it, although, I
will confess, one night, about 2 in the morning
when a truck full of yahoos were parked in front
of our property, I was standing in the dark,
stun gun in one hand, and tire thumper in another
fully prepared to defend myself. Mostly holding
them did give me a good deal of confidence...ggg.
As far as shooting a humongous hole in someone
and watching their blood run out...nope, I just
am not there. Heck, I am the only person around
here who has never killed a snake even. I've been
here for years and hopefully will leave here
without having killed one. If I cannot bring myself
to kill a snake, I do not see hope in convincing
myself to kill a human.
My brother wanted to buy me a gun but decided if
I would not use it that it would probably be taken
from me and used on me, so that changed his mind.
Guns are generally not for show, and those that wear
them, will use them. You can see people wearing guns
in holsters here....and no, not just cops. If you are
wanting to get a weapon, I can tell you from shopping
with the guys that Gander Mountain has a great selection,
and wow, if you want to see a gaggle of men, just go
there and cruise the gun section~!
I won't even kill the roaches (my boys do) and I can't stand mousetraps! Never licked a snake, neither!
Zoe I am laughing so hard! I'm all serious here and you tell me shopping for a weapon is a great way to meet men! Is that a Texas mentality or what! I'll keep that tip in mind. Gander Mountain, huh? Oh, Lord, I love it. :-D
Cowboy Church huh! lol! I love it! Sounds like hillbilly heaven Texas style! I was down that way not to long ago for my nephews sons christening, we where going to drive out to west Texas but where too busy with relatives and hanging around his backyard cement pond! Chlorine made me ill though!
He does have some acreage there also they call the ranch where he shelters two donkeys and a shetland pony and a pond and creek that is sanctuary to all wild life including many ducks and geese and even herons or egrets ! Seems every other day some of us went there to fires our pistols!
My nephews in the army special forces, getting ready for his second tour and an expert in firearms ,he is also the team medic and specializes in arabic languages,
quite the patriot I must say!
If only it werent so danged hot down there ,this is in the Houston area, quit humid and stiffling uhg! It's the only thing that keeps me from moving down there!
Would have loved to made it to west Texas though ,next time we will!
Cowboy Church, lol, love the concept !
Come on down, man! :-D You'd be miserable your first summer, but your second summer would be better and you'd be talkin' with a twang just like the rest of us by year three. There's better places to move than Houston, though. Personally I'd move to the Hill Country in a Manhatten minute. I don't think the humidity is so bad there, so I bet you'd just love it.
Give your Army nephew a hoo-rah from an Air Force mom. My son gets deployed to Iraq in either Feb or May for a 6 months tour.
Oh I,ll be back down there Donna!
You're right I have lived in Texas twice in the past and you do get used to it, sorta!
Yah my nephew is being deployed all to soon ! He's say they are going back to seek out the bad guys! He loves it ! They make friends with the natives ,they where civilian close and all and pick their brains to get small bits and pieces of information , he says that most of them are agreeable as they distrust the insurgency of the different factions!
Hey and broohah to the Air Force patriots in Barksdale,La , a very heartening event indeed!
What's the update on that? I've got a good buddy that's a light col. there. I asked him about it. You should have seen his face! He said "It didn't happen on MY watch!" and that's about it.
Seems there are independent or private inquiries and an Air Force investigation pending! It does'nt appear to be some urban legend but an actual event!
Shows you how much a light bird col.knows!
ggg...no, I've only gone to Gander Mountain
with my guy friends and neighbors. It seemed
unusual though to me to see so many men "shopping"
in one place...they were hanging over the gun
counters like a woman might hang over the
jewelry or cosmetic counter at Dillards.
I thought you might like a recommendation
since you said you were considering getting a
gun. I've never been to a gun show but they
are also places where guns and the men who
love them can be found.
Ha~! I'd have to take a guy to shop for a gun
since I am clueless for what to look for. The
last time I shot a gun off was at New Years. I
think it was a shot gun and it felt so strange,
everyone says, okie dokie, its midnight, they go
outside, point their guns up and shoot a couple
of times, come in and pass around some bubbly.
You hear other guns so you know this isnt an
original idea...ggg. Yeah, must be a Texas thang.
MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - Hogzilla is being made into a horror movie. But the sequel
may be even bigger: Meet Monster Pig. An 11-year-old Alabama boy used a pistol to
kill a wild hog his father says weighed a staggering 1,051 pounds and measured 9-feet-4 from the tip of its snout to the base of its tail.
Wow---I'm just scared looking at this photo! If you could manage to climb a tree to save yourself, looks like it would just gnaw thru the tree and/or shake it to get you to fall down.
What kind of bullet could kill it?? (a silver bullet, lol)
Unholy sow, that is incredible! I remember the controversy about this kid and how his dad was so proud of him ,now I know why, that thing is truly a monster and a half! And a very good reason to have a gun of some type oin country like that! This kid did a service to the community !
Ya know what Donna? Just between you, me and anyone else with their eyes on, I personally would not dismiss the value of a cowboy church if it was making a genuine attempt to serve the true purpose.
Some people may find themselves caught up in great debate of what, pray tell, is the true purpose?
I believe that you even helped provide a clear sign of an answer.
He doesn't want to put on his jeans to do his chores, then clean up and change into a suit, go to church....
You probably remember that, by way of thinking out loud and mulling over some of the more choice cloudy issues and deceptions spawned and spun out over the years by ancient conspiracy, I have regularly posted of my own doubts about some of the things that this conspiracy touches and or has touched down through the ages - like versions of neatly produced/published scripture. I've been thinking about your reply to this thread since you made it, and mulling over it in context with the series of threads that helped bring it forth (the trifecta). In the course of this I have been led to contemplate a series of text from Matthew 16. This in turn showed me a several things, including more evidence of great debate that's been raging over some of the words therein, it seems, for as far back as the era of 300 A.D. if not earlier. I'm not really wanting to get ensconced in that particualar great debate at this moment, but thought it worth to mention that it was among the several circumstances I came to be aware of in this process. What I really want to mention here is what I see as relevant with respect to the idea of a cowboy church and how the idea of that fits into the idea of the series of posts in question.
Keep in mind that I'm rather limited by way of Americanized English being pretty much the only spoken langauage I understand, while some of the circumstances involved (events spoken to by Matthew 16), as I gather it, to this day remains in dispute over which language they were first/originally authored into (written about). The main proponents seem to have girded themselve accordingly on the sides of Greek, and a derivative form of Hebrew (Aramaic/Syriac). This then sort of naturally leads to another area ripe for great debate - aside from the language these words were originally authored / published /penned / chisled into by way of a somewhat still anonymous author[s] (another debate), there remains the question - what language were they originally spoken in in the first place as these events were transpiring in real time such that some eventual author - known by us today or not, to then come along an write about so as to publish into a given language? Try to keep these in mind as I recount to you the thoughts going through my mind the past few days. The gist of it as I get it, in English, is this.
Some Pharisees and Sadducees (Seducees?) were funning around with Jesus the Christ one day. They requested he provide some proof of his word and asked for "a sign" from Heaven. As you may imagine, the Son of God knew his way around such folks and told them in his own way; IE> while rebuknig them for being the kind of evil folk who seem to know their way around reading the sky itself (weather forecasting, crystal-ball gazing, that kinda stuff), there will be no sign except that by way of Jonah. Soon after Jesus came to the other side of the sea (Galilee) with some of his deciples, who were sort of caught up in anxious discussion over having forgotten to bring bread. Jesus said to them, basically, they need to beware of the leaven in the kind of 'bread' dished out by the folks like Pharisees and Sadducees. Leaven of course is known by other more famiar terms for that kind of ingredient "change agent" that is a precursor...catalyst, to all kinds of agitating and change activity taking place.... "to make lighter"....."fluffy".....by way of fermented ingredients. In other words "be careful of the acitivity spawned by the folks like Pharisees and Sadducees....for it may well endeavor to get you caught up in that which they do merely to help keep you agitated and in a state of change; dogma. As the gang continued to walk they eventually arrived in a town north of the sea, when Jesus was given to ask his followers "Who do the people say that I am ? After a variety of answers came forth, Jesus specifically asked the same question of Simon, the son of Jonah, who replied "You are the Messiah, Son of the Living God" Jesus then blessed Simon for this answer, telling that since Simon did not / could not have found out this answer from a flesh & blood man, he could only have been made to know by way of this knowledge having been invested in him through divine intervention, through revelation "by my Heavenly Father". Jesus then informs Simon that he is Peter - Petros, and that upon a rock - Petra, Jesus will build the foundation of the Church.
Again, it's one thing to debate - what language was the above scenario first authored in? It is another thing entirely to contemplate -what language did the above scenario occur in? Some may speculate that the Son of God often spoke to his detractors and or followers in their native tongues, Hebrew or other......as far as this goes, this is fairly reasonable speculation but speculation nonetheless...... this is the Son of God we're talking about here, somebody who no doubt was capable of speaking in any language in existance, any language under the sun - including the sun as a language if necessary. He was no doubt capable of making his followers understand what he spoke to them no matter what spoken language he may have chosen to use, even ones foreign to his followers understanding. When one becomes enlightened by directly by their Creator, what language do you suppose this happens in inside one's mind.....is there even a language attributed to such?
The closest I can find the meat of this foundation idea as spoken in Greek is - kagw de soi legw oti su ei petroV kai epi tauth th petra oikodomhsw mou thn ekklhsian kai pulai adou ou katiscusousin authV
A somewhat english'ized representation of the above - kago de soi lego oti su ei Petros kai epi taute te petra oikodomeso mou ten ekklesian
In Latin Vulgate - et ego dico tibi quia tu es Petrus et super hanc petram aedificabo ecclesiam meam et portae inferi non praevalebunt adversum eam
In English (many) - Douay Rheims - And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
And finally, in RCC - "That’s where Jesus appointed Simon the earthly head of the Church. That’s where he appointed him the first pope. That's where he gave the authority to determine who gets to heaven and who not 'keys to the kingdom'. The "primacy of Peter" doctrine asserts that Jesus gave Peter, and Peter’s successors, authority to function as the sole custodians of true Christian teaching—as Pope Benedict asserted.
What does this have to do the merits of cowboy churches, you might ask? I would further ask, what does this say about what it is to make up a true church? Despite all the great debate and kabitizing and analyses and slicing and dicing and exploiting and posteuring that is still going on rampantly, as we speak, over the various translations of the various langauge the above words can be derrived from, where is it said - either directly OR I'll even accept hinted at by way of liberal interpretation, that a "church" any church was authorized to be built out with the intention of forming a massive institutionalized system wherein people are to go, at least once a week, to compare their fancy clothes, and perhaps even fancy aromas, against their neighbors', while being fed leavened bread (metaphorically speaking) in the course of being separated from their money, property and worse - separated from their personal, private counsel with their Creator? Far as I can see, be it a cowboy church or any other gathering that wants to call itself a church, if it helps people to come to an understanding and realization about what the principle of "church" was founded on, there should be no shame at all in the people who gather there for that true purpose whether or not they are in jeans that reak of barn odors or pieces of hay sticking out of their hair. People who gather for such true purpose may very well be better off in the long run if they avoid the pitfalls of calling their gathering any kind of "church" in the first place. The foundation spoken, even by quite liberal and or quite RCC interpretation, does not seem to be in any way about setting up a system for people to participate in to compare thier clothes.....to compare their monetary wealth.....to claim their patent upon doctrine and worship / idolize the same, it's not about authorizing a byzantine network of tuti fruti flavors all claiming to be a genuine brand of church, it does not seem to be about - even by way of vague hint, people congregating in grandly built, gaudy cathedrals overseen by - mostly, men in exceptionally weird, exceptionally gay clothing, going through all manner of strange, arcane rituals repeated on cyclical basis while claiming to be an agent of the Almighty Creator OR the manifesation of the Almighty Creator on earth in the form of a man, appointed by - mostly men, to such office on an as-needed basis.
When you opened with I personally would not dismiss the value of a cowboy church if it was making a genuine attempt to serve the true purpose. ... I tensed up, thinking you were going to disclose that the RCC and PTB had identified the cowboys as a useful means to further advance its/their agenda- the "true purpose" behind not only the Catholic Church but all of the brainwashed church groups that it has spawned over the ages. So I had to do the same thing you did: take your comments in the context of the other comments, and align them with your original post, then come back and re-read the above post... you get it....
"The other disappointment though is realizing that all
along, the white hats were just a ruse and that we
had no leaders of our country, our democracy, only
deceivers. I am still chewing on that reality and
it may take a long time to get it down."
In the Masons as in most other secret societies, the rank and file is largely ignorant of what is going on in the levels above them. It is only at the very to levels that devotion and worshi of Satan is revealed. The lower levels are lured further and further into secret rituals, oaths and increasingly degrading acts - such as pedophilia and being sexually degraded - that trap them into staying true to their oaths of secrecy and allegiance.
In the Masons, the moment of truth comes when the select few are put to a final test and asked to spit on the cross. Those that refuse are congratulated for being good Christians. Those that spit on the cross pass the test and become 33rd degree Masons, where the next test is human sacrifice.
I think that most of our forefathers and early leaders who were Masons were more libertarians and, though caught up in their loyalties, were not collectively evil. Most of the Masons have always been ignorant of whom they really serve and how truly corrupt and evil the uppermost ranks are. The same could be said about a lot of wel meaning people in the pharmaceutical industry and in the FDA.
And ultimately, it is the same evil that corrupts them all.
"Billy Graham groped blindfolded in the Masonic Lodge and declared before the Worshipful Masonic Lodge Master that he was in need of light. How rediculous for a Christian evangelist who claims to have the light of the world, to beg a pagan hierarchy for light. Billy Graham has repeatedly taken blood oaths on penalty of gruesome death to keep the Masonic Lodge's secrets and to deceive others about their activities. When such a man as an international evangelist swears to be dishonest, is dishonest, and takes blood oaths, then this is a reproach on the Bible and on Christ..........."
isn't that the truth! there's a reason that he has had so much favor to counsel the 'kings of the earth'. anyone read Cathy Burns book, "Billy and His Friends"??
Re John Todd:
I just recently listened to some tapes of his. What sources do you have of his? Is he still alive? (I thought not)
Ohfor07:
Will you perhaps be so kind as to post a list of books you recommend on these and other topics? I haven't read a couple of these that you have shared, and I'm sure that you have others that I would LOVE to get my hands on! :)
If you have the time and don't mind, I'm sure that many of us would benefit from that. Thanks in advance! PVG
I just recently listened to some tapes of his. What sources do you have of his? Is he still alive? (I thought not)
I do not know the status of John Todd. It is only from having read some of Frit'z work that I am somewhat assuming this person actually exists OR existed at one time up till recently. I had not been aware this John Todd existed until having re-read parts of Fritz's book 13 Illuminati Bloodlines. (acutal hard copy still available publicly... for now... far as I know) Fritz revealed how John Todd had long been a practicing member of the satanic lineage within the Collins bloodline, but somewhere along the course of his life he turned away from that in favor of devoting his life to Christ, and along that course he began exposing secret information that he knew from his years as an insider. Remember that old tv advertisement that had the calling card "fooled Mother Nature?... it's not NICE to fool Mother nature (follwed by ominous flashes of lightning and thunder play in the background). Translation? Shortly after beginning his expose' his knowledge of long-concealed aspects of the satanic families operating within the collective Illuminati, John Todd mysteriously became "raper", and without a legitimate trial, was carted off to the American gulag system somewhere in South Carolina. This was not long before Fritz himselve mysteriously became "armed bank robber". Fritz told of his knowledge of John and how he'd been in the prison system for over 4 years during which he had slowly been attempting to get his story out to the public some how....and apparently was able to secretly record tapes....perhaps these are the same tapes you refer to? As to the present fate of John Todd? Other than having seeminly been disappeared into the prison system, I honestly do not know if he is still alive or not.
As for recommended sources, there are two basic recommendations. 1, I'll refer to the same sources that got me started on my present path starting a little over 5 years ago. 2, the other general recommendation is, use your own sense of discernment, and this will tend to lead you to whatever sources of information are best for you - books, journals, historical records, internet articles, whatever, keeping in mind that there likely is no magic, silver-bullet, be-all-end-all single source of info to be found out there. What there IS to be found, in my experience, are traces....snippets of the the same basic truths revealed by various, disparate sources. The effect here is, when a person reads/sees/hears a given allegation from one source, no matter how unbelievable the allegation may be, the allegations put forth tend to be re-inforced when one finds the same basic allegations put forth by other, unrelated sources, over and over, time and again... a ring of truth that reveals itself based on the preponderance of many unrelated people basically revealing the same snippets of truth. Case in point: Eustace Mullins versus Fritz Springmeier. What do these two have in common? As far as I know, personally, they have nothing in common in that they have never met in person, are about 40 years apart in age, have never associated, have never been affiliated in any way shape or form. Howwever, they have each done their own extensive research of seemingly vastly different topics. Mullins was among the first to publicly expose the sham & sytstematic criminality of the Federal Rerserve Banking syndicate.... and he did this in the 1950s! Meanwhile, in the recent 1 to 2 decades, Fritz has done numerous, separate expose's that tend to focus on the ancient satanic bloodlines that to this day manifest in what people loosley know as Illuminati. Herein Fritz researched, documented and exposed Mind Control methodology - R&D.....practicing....experimenting......practicing...... used by the same Illuminati for many years. His works collectively also expose various elements of how the same ancient Illuminati also control society through means in addition to mind control - like religion control, like military control, like banking control, like media control, like education control. Eventually one begins to see that unbeknownst to themselves, Eustace and Fritz were each connecting some of the very same dots connected by the other. To me there is a definite value - ring of truth, when one finds unrelated people and their work turning up the same basic kinds of evidence in history.
I don't think it will make much difference what order your or any other genuinely interested person finds the information you seek. In my case, it turns out that I stumbled upon Secrets of the Federal Reserve (by Mullins) first, about 5 years ago. This is a difficult read due to the dizzying amount of public names/figures/faces/places/events that are revealed, machine-gun style, rata tata tata tata tat, on and on. A similar read that may help you tie together historical events is Dope Incorporated, by Lyndon La Rouche. This book had been collecting dust on my shelf since the early 90's when I first bought it. It may not surprise you to learn that subsequent to publishing this work, LaRouche was incarcerated - a la Ezra Pound (who hired Mullins to research his work on the Fed), and turned into a political prisoner at the behest of the Satanic Power by way of their tool in office at that time - Ron Regan. Personally, I have a difficult time reading La Rouche given his use of the language and writing style, he tends to write with a somewhat snobbish/refined style. Getting past this, though, he connects such a vast wealth of dots - names/figures/faces/times/places, it quickly becomes overwhelming to keep track of them all even when he puts them in plain black and white words. As far as I know, neither are Larouche and Mullins in anyway related, associated or affiliated, but in their own ways they each ended up connecting many of the same dots, wherein they revealed and exposed many pieces of the same overall conspiracy....Grand Plan as the Illuminati apparently have named this endeavor themselves. Fritz's 13 Illuminati Bloodlines, and Be Wise As Serpents are chief among his books to have.... good luck finding them.
Also, this may already go without saying for you, but in case it isn't, be prepared to expect that for many people, the mere mention of certain names - like Eustace Mullins, will bring knee-jerk chorus of "anti semite!"....misguided, heavily manipulated, heavily exploited emotions that they are. Exposing some of the hierarchy, inner-workings and interlocking directorates used by the Fed the way he did, this of course exposed all sorts of the numerous segments of the overall conspiracy, some of which, as it turns out, are and have been contributed to by people who - of all things, happen to be in one way or another aligned with some of the often fuzzy/concealed flavors and stripes of collective Jewery. For those who've been trained to react with shouting anti-semite! at the drop of a name, by imlication they seem to be saying that even when aspects of the conspiracy are shown beyond doubt to be supported by people who themselves claim to be one flavor of a Jew or another, this should nonetheless be left unmentioned, unspoken, 'cause it's just not nice to mention, suggest or even hint at the broad word "Jew" whenver exposing bad guys... doing so has now become quite clearly patented anti semitical behavior still being drummed, droned, programmed and beaten into the pubic consciousness as such as we speak.
None Dare Call It A Conspiracy - Gary Allen; various works by G. Edward Griffin (see his site "issues" essays at www.freedomforceinternational.org
Actually, what I heard was that he won his appeal in North Carolina, but J.T. then disappeared immediately after he got out. The tapes I heard are from him speaking to a church decades ago!!! Todd apparently thought everything was imminent at that time, and was making plans like many are today.
You can search for the downloadable audio from his seminar at a church - it's online. It's very interesting to listen to from this time period because some things didn't come about in the way anticipated, and other things are crazy how we never knew how bad it was THEN and haven't realized even now. Case in point, Todd lists many shows such as a couple of the soap operas (Young and the Restless and All My Children) and that their entire cast is comprised of witches. Many wouldn't accept that NOW, let alone a couple of decades ago!
Case in point, Todd lists many shows such as a couple of the soap operas (Young and the Restless and All My Children) and that their entire cast is comprised of witches. Many wouldn't accept that NOW, let alone a couple of decades ago!
I was not aware of this allegation, but neither am I surprised by it. Let's face it, whether they are capable of acknowledging & admitting, or not, for the masses of viewers Soap Operas have become a widely-accepted form of soft-core pornogrpahy that many cannot go a day without short of blowing a mental gasket (thank you non-stop brainwashing). As a youngster 40 years ago, I too was unwittingly indoctrinated into the mentality of being entertained & entrained by soap operas. Elementary School let out at 3:35 .... and yes, I walked to and from ALLLLLL 8 small-town blocks...without a bus, without a homeland security crew lurking in the bushes! If I did not dally too long, I got home just in time to see the end of .......(ominous drum roll please) The Edge.... of Night!..... followed promptly by........Dark Shadows, a general purpose fabricated drama mixing soap opera-like scripts played out by Witches, Warlocks, Vampires and the like.......kinda put a warmNfuzzy, kinder, gentler spin - with a sprinkling of titillation, plus "and now, a word from your sponsor", on the whole idea of occult....black magic....ancient arts....mystery religions, etc, beamed nation wide, invited right into the ground-zero sanctity of living rooms of millions of otherwise dumbed-down, unwitting, hard-working honest Americans.
OH YEAHHH! DARK SHADOWS. OMG...how could I forget? We actually lived by a cemetary back east, and that show got me into some weird stuff...just meandering around the cemetery looking at all the mausoleums and graves. Don't get me wrong, it was a beautiful cemetery. But I was intrigued by death during that period. Forgot all about that one!
We are now in the year 1954, and we hear Mr. Gaither say to Mr. Dodd, "Would you be interested in knowing what we do here at the Ford Foundation?" And Mr. Dodd says, "Yes! That’s exactly why I’m here. I would be very interested, sir." Then, without any prodding at all, Gaither says, "Mr. Dodd, we operate in response to directives, the substance of which is that we shall use our grant making power to alter life in the United States so that it can be comfortably merged with the Soviet Union." Dodd almost falls off of his chair when he hears that. Then he says to Gaither, "Well, sir, you can do anything you please with your grant making powers, but don’t you think you have an obligation to make a disclosure to the American people? You enjoy tax exemption, which means you are indirectly subsidized by taxpayers, so, why don’t you tell the Congress and the American people what you just told me?" And Gaither replies, "We would never dream of doing such a thing."http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/pdf/futurecalling1.pdf
In 1931, in an article that appeared in International Affairs, published by the Royal Institute of International Affairs, Toynbee wrote: I will hereby repeat that we are at present working, discreetly but with all our might, to wrest this mysterious political force called sovereignty out of the clutches of the local national states of our world. And all the time we are denying with our lips what we are doing with our hands….1http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/pdf/futurecalling2.pdf
Growing up in the SBC, I can confirm 100% that this article is true about Baptist deacons. But there are independent Baptist churches that are wonderful! (moo moo lol)
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