I agree that God’s most understood and most felt quality is love. Yet I see so much more. See what you think. Oh yeah, you might want to turn up your sound.
GOD is everywhere present, and rules the circle of eternity, and rules in persons. God alone can be in two places, in numberless places, at the same time. God is simultaneously present "in heaven above and on the earth", as the Psalmist exclaimed: "Whither shall I go from your spirit? or whither shall I flee from your presence?" God is all the time present in all parts and in all hearts of his far-flung creation. God is such that the universe and heaven cannot contain God. God created it, so is beyond it. It is literally true that God is all and in all. But even that is not all of God. The Infinite can be finally revealed only in infinity, the cause can never be fully comprehended by an analysis of effects, the living God is immeasurably greater than the sum total of creation that has come into being as a result of the creative acts of Gods unfettered free will.
The creature not only exists in God, but God also lives in the creature. This gift from the Father is man's inseparable companion. Even in wrongdoing you torment the indwelling gift of God. The omnipresence of God is in reality a part of his infinite nature, space constitutes no barrier to Deity. God is in perfection and without limitation.
Many of the acts of the all-powerful Creator seem to be arbitrary, detached, and not infrequently heartless and cruel. But again I assure you that this is not true. God's doings are all purposeful, intelligent, wise, kind, and eternally considerate of the best good. Not always of an individual being, an individual race, an individual planet, or even an individual universe, but they are for the welfare and best good of all concerned, from the lowest to the highest. In the eras of time the welfare of the part may sometimes appear to differ from the welfare of the whole, in the circle of eternity such apparent differences are nonexistent.
We are all a part of the family of God, and we must therefore sometimes share in the family discipline. Many of the acts of God which so disturb and confuse us are the result of the decisions of the perfect will of the infinite mind, to enforce the decisions of perfection, vision, and solicitude embrace the highest and eternal welfare of all his vast and far-flung creation.
Thus it is that our detached, sectional, finite, and highly materialistic viewpoint and the limitations inherent in the nature of our being constitute such a handicap that we are unable to see, comprehend, or know the wisdom and kindness of many of the divine acts to which we seem burdened with such crushing cruelty, and which seem to be characterized by such utter indifference to the comfort and welfare, to the planetary happiness and personal prosperity, of our fellow creatures. It is because of the limits of human vision, it is because of our circumscribed understanding and finite comprehension, that we misunderstand the motives, and pervert the purposes, of God.
God is usually understood by us in three ways:
1. By the nature of God, especially by his infinite love, truth, beauty, and goodness.
2. By the will of God, by his mercy and fatherly relationship with us.
3. By the law of God, by the righteousness and justice.
God is unlimited in power, divine in nature, final in will, infinite in attributes, eternal in wisdom, and absolute in reality.
The divine mind is conscious of, and aware of, the thought of all creation. God’s knowledge of events is universal and perfect. God is the only personality in the entire universe who does actually know the number of the stars and planets of space. Every child may truly say: "He knows the way I take, and when he has tried me, I shall come forth as gold." God is possessed of unlimited power to know all things, Gods consciousness is universal.
We are not certain whether or not God chooses to foreknow events of sin. But even if God should foreknow the acts of free will of his children, such foreknowledge does not in the least bit limit their freedom. One thing is certain: God is never subjected to surprise.
This giving of God to Gods creation creates a boundless, almost inconceivable future possibility of progressive and successive existences for these divinely endowed mortals.
To mortals of time there is a future, but God occupies eternity. Mortal man cannot possibly know the infiniteness of God. Finite mind cannot think through such an absolute truth or fact. But this same finite human being can actually feel--literally experience--the full and undiminished impact of such an infinite Gods LOVE. Such a love can be truly experienced, although while quality of experience is unlimited, quantity of such an experience is strictly limited by the human capacity for spiritual receptivity and by the associated capacity to love God in return.
Finite appreciation of infinite qualities goes beyond the logically limited capacities of us because of the fact that we are made in the image of God--there lives within us a fragment of infinity. Therefore our nearest and dearest approach to God is by and through love, for God is love.
In the relationships of our hearts God may not always have his way, but in the conduct and destiny of a planet the divine plan prevails, the eternal purpose of wisdom and love triumphs.
Throughout the universe, every unit is regarded as a part of the whole. Survival of the part is dependent on co-operation with the plan and purpose of the whole, the wholehearted desire and perfect willingness to do Gods divine will. The only world without error (the possibility of unwise judgment) would be a world without free will.
Free and inexperienced intelligence cannot possibly at first be uniformly wise. The possibility of mistaken judgment (evil) becomes sin only when the human will consciously endorses and knowingly embraces a deliberate immoral judgment.
The full appreciation of truth, beauty, and goodness is inherent in the perfection of the divine universe. Everything divine that the human mind grasps and the human soul acquires is an experiential attainment, it is a reality of personal experience and is therefore a unique possession in contrast to the inherent goodness and righteousness of the personalities of Heaven.
The creatures of Heaven are naturally brave, but they are not courageous in the human sense. They are innately kind and considerate, but hardly altruistic in the human way. They are hopeful of a pleasant future, but not hopeful in the exquisite manner of the trusting mortal of the uncertain planets. They have faith in the stability of the universe, but they are utter strangers to that saving faith that mortal humans climb from the status of an animal up to the portals of Paradise. They love the truth, but they know nothing of its soul-saving qualities. They are idealists, but they were born that way; they are wholly ignorant of the ecstasy of becoming such by exhilarating choice. They are loyal, but they have never experienced the thrill of wholehearted and intelligent devotion to duty in the face of temptation to fail. They are unselfish, but they never gained such levels of experience by the magnificent conquest of a belligerent self. They enjoy pleasure, but they do not comprehend the sweetness of the pleasure escaped from the potential of pain.
The power of God is unlimited, it is the fundamental fact of all creation. The universe was not inevitable. The universe is not an accident, neither is it self-existent. The universe is a work of creation and is therefore wholly subject to the will of the Creator.
All religious philosophy, sooner or later, arrives at the concept of unified universe rule, of one God. Universe causes cannot be lower than universe effects. The source of the streams of universe life and of the cosmic mind must be above the levels of their manifestation.
The philosopher professes to reject the idea of a universal and supreme will, the very supreme will whose activity in the universal laws he so deeply reverences. What unintended homage the philosopher pays the Creator when he conceives such laws to be self-acting and self-explanatory! Yet it is a great blunder to humanize God.
The infinite and eternal Ruler of the universe is power, form, energy, process, pattern, principle, presence, and idealized reality. But God is more, God is personal, God exercises a supreme will, experiences self-consciousness of divinity, executes a creative mind, pursues the satisfaction of an eternal purpose, and manifests a Father's love and affection for Gods children. And all these more personal traits of God can be better understood by observing them as they were revealed in the life of Michael, (Jesus) Gods Son, while he was on Earth.
God loves children, God serves children, God inspires the children of the universe to the ever ascending adventure of being God-like by the ways shown by the Son. (Jesus)
Ok you might think this explains what God is. Who knows you may think this is a bunch of non-sense. But God is even more to me. This was only some of God's attributes. Next will be God's nature. And then more of what God’s essence is. Sorry if you don’t like this post. Don’t read the next two if you didn't like this one. But for me it fits. Hopefully it rings a bell of truth in you too.
Before we were ever born...we gave ourselves challenges...for some...it is to deny the other side...so we could discover the message of love in spite of putting on earthly bodies... I went to heaven in my nde...yet some who die...never find a place they call heaven...but somehow heaven exists for me... within my religious point of view...and maybe I see heaven for the same reason the non believer chooses not to see... We who chose to see the variable of heaven learn the lessons love could give us knowing heaven waits for us... but the lessons of those who see no heaven choose lessons that are no less valuable for them...for choosing otherwise....I saw orbs of light,,,you may call them burning balls of I fire...or spirits...or not...only the light I found in my NDE did not burn...there was no heat coming from the light...the only place a wyrm burns in my perceptions coming from my NDE is when you dip your soul into a chemical body...death and dying...putting a physical chemical body over orbs of love...to make our illusions burn...
Anything less than light free of burning is not love...This what I learned in my Near Death Experience but that is me...there is so much to learn... Some who have Near Death Experiences put the face of Jesus or Buddha...on their orbs of light...and clothing on their spiritual beings too....I could not see clothing on anyone in heaven...or faces either...or fire...until I was on my journey back to my body...where I had fallen past the stars....passing Pluto...Venus...Mars,,,,until I saw the big blue marble that is earth....then...right before the atmosphere I met a lesser God ...translucent....long white beard and robe...and some might call this in between place heaven...and this in between robed figure God...but rather a lesser God...I for one do not...as this lesser God was far removed from the light so strong it blurred color into one light....but there is black....the God of black...there is something to be learned from black.... this was passed along by popoe;
“Black was best looking… Ebony was the best wood, the hardest wood; it was black. Virginia ham was the best ham. It was black on the outside. Tuxedos and tail coats were black and they were a man’s finest, most expensive clothes. You had to use pepper to make most meats and vegetables fit to eat. The most flavorsome pepper was black. The best caviar was black. The rarest jewels were black: black opals, black pearls.”
-Ann Petry, The Narrows, 1953
"Black is elegant, and mysterious. Black is often said to be the absence of color, but I think it deserves a place as a color itself. The fashion world certainly couldn’t function without it! Maybe black has gotten a bad rap because it is associated with the villain’s hat – but black, like white, is like a canvas, and we can paint on it most vividly! -popoe"
We who fall into bodies... very much know the light...we were one with the light...the light was everywhere...but we wanted to learn something else...we put on the clothing of ego...to learn black...to learn the feeling of burning...to learn shapes we chose to learn long ago...but could not see them for all of the light....
Beyond the limitations...of time... split from the light..we fell...down here into the underworld...where we live in bodies to learn black... Maybe I am too hard on my lesser higher self... I am tired of learning black but he keeps sending me here...until I can paint love in black...maybe I should thank him for sending me into a world that breaks my heart every day? but I will not...not today...but I hope I get my lessons learned about black in this life...so I can shed bodies that burn...separated from the light... I would rather take a lesser illusion...become an angel like being...barely visible even to the soul...one that lives on love...this may be what I choose next time round...at least...this is my hope...
"I am tired of learning black but he keeps sending me here...until I can paint love in black...maybe I should thank him for sending me into a world that breaks my heart every day?"
Perhaps you/we will experience the 'black' until you/we see no difference between the black and the white except for our judgement regarding it. Once the black and the white are One, and you/we observe this as absolute Truth, our self-imposed banishment to the Land of Black will no longer be experienced.
1 Corinthians 13, verse 11
"When I was a child, I spake as a child,
I understood as a child, I thought as a child:
but when I became a man, I put away
childish things. For now we see through a
glass, darkly; but then face to face: now
I know in part; but then shall I know even
as also I am known".
The enlightened only see love...and often ignore their broken hearted fellow human beings, animals, rocks, plants, trees...and everything...that has taken on the mask of death and dying... We ignore those who need our loving attention...right in front of us....
Love is not all there is while time exists...but when every spirit and soul choose love over the absence of it... when we all choose to serve love and not just pontificate about oneness...love is all there will be... but I am here...down here in the underworld...of my own free-will...and I will not ignore the pain and fear of others then call it love... Love has nothing to do with it... There is a light that runs through us all...and light returns to light... this is where my heart remains...but down here in the dark is where my dying body lives... I can ignore the sad and dying world around me but why?
jejeje... The word, "pontificate," did come across rather strong... I am in the same boat as you...as far as trying to figure this whole thing out... but for me sometimes i attempt sailing against the wind instead of with it... i guess that is why i have not walked out of my body yet...
i want to be like the little old church lady who hears her pastor talk
about a hateful God who sends sinners to hell...a God who sends
she-bears to kill forty and two children for laughing at a bald
headed prophet...but all she sees is love...The wars go on...the
children starve...a baby dies in her mother's arms...the politicians
lie...and she only hears the trumpet call of jubilee...it surrounds
her day... i am just not there... perhaps when i have given up all of
my ego...and realize all we do is "dust in the wind,"
i can become like her...always smiling...heaven surrounding me as it
does for her... as sky surrounds me when I look around from on a
mountain high...but I have just enough nerve and ego left to think I
can be the change that tips the balance to love... a little tiny light
on the dark side of the moon...
Love and Light to you Infinite Love...
Forgive me for waxing cold... I am not a prophet... or the keeper of the truth...but rather the sharer of my truth... I am just a little worm that eats up what I can... consuming the apple therefore making it rotten...
I think what I was trying to say is more eloquently said by Buddhist who say we should live our lives with, "JOYFUL PARTICIPATION IN THE SORROWS OF THE WORLD." Forgive me when I speak from my ego...
I know I am not there yet in my learning... I just have my square NDE peg to try to fit into a round world...
From my NDE, I came to understand that God who is love
is not omniscient...in the dimension of time and death
but has the potential to be omniscient... just as a
light switch can potentially make a room light...God
who is love has the potential to turn on the lights
and dispel death and dying. Love can not see anything
but love....Love can not look on unlove without unlove
vanishing but just because you can turn a light on in
a dark room does not mean the room is light.
God who is light can not experience pain... If love
looks on pain...pain vanishes.... but God who is love
has a shadow side... called free-will... where
darkness
and pain reside...where death and dying reign...
That portion of God, that created time, I call the
Librarian. The Librarian or God of the underworld...at
least for earth... is a lesser God who resides just
outside of the atmosphere in my NDE...is the fallen
aspect of God who is love... When God created this
lesser dimension of God...God split into an infinite amount
of fallen souls who fell from the light...
less one piece... and all of the fallen aspects of God
hid behind free-will... in the
shadows where at least in this dimension and in this
world we live in a world where 2/3rds of everything
is light while 1/3rd of everything is dark...
The Librarian records everything we do and records our
intentions...we qho fell...but in the tunnel...
where we have our life
reviews...what is not loving is filtered out...our
soul
sheds all of its unlove...and all that enters into
heaven is love...where the light have gone on... and
the Librarian is just doing his job of recording
everything...and maintaining all of the contracts we
who willfully fell into time and death made with each
other... and when the last contract was signed...the
division of oneness began...
This Librarian has a job....and records everything
that each soul and spirit does and their
intentions..... and this being is omniscient...in the
dimension of space and time...He is the rule maker and
he metes out karma... or clauses in our contracts we
made with one another...the
rock...plant...tree...planets...stars...animals...plants...trees...and
each everything has with one another...to consume one
another...but he has to maintain a perfect balance of
66.666...light and 33.333... dark... It is his belief
that this balance is superior to pure love...100%
light... When he(The Librarian) is orchestrating love for us he
may appear to be loving but there is no love in
him...as he is just a conduit through which the light
moves through... a light bulb is not light... but
rather...he is the absence of love... but...where time
ends...he can not enter in....
I know what I am saying goes against what other near
death experiencers have experienced... and very
different from what those of my own religious point of
view believe... but I have to trust that my NDE is
describing the same thing that others see but just
from a different vantage point....
I think I am finally getting this oneness thing... I just don't know if I am there yet... but I am trying... I met perfect forgiveness once and I found out how it is done... Forgiveness is forgetting... My alcoholic wife....before she died of alcoholism....told me that...but I also discoved it in my NDE. A lot of people forgive and say... I forgive but will never forget...
I know this seems like a reaonable response...but that is not forgiving...and maybe forgetting isn't the exact word for it...but let us say someone hurt you...and you say you forgive them...but to take saying to doing it is to remember it differently maybe... the incident might be brought up to you by another...even though you have let it go(forgotten it) and when they bring it up you might think...if I had been in their shoes and had to deal with what they had to deal with... I might have done the same thing...this is where we have that common place of oneness... forgiveness...
I am getting there...someday I will arive at oneness... I hope....
Hi Rudi,
Just my opinion, and view points from my experiences.
For me it seemed we come here to gain true experience, learning and advancement in our journey of being God-like. The Angels and other beings in Heaven don't really know what it's like to actually know the things we learn here on Earth. Like I said before, they are naturally brave, but they are not courageous in the human sense. They don't really have as full of a learning that we do. They are more like animals is some ways. They only know & do what they're programed to do pretty much. Anyway, I believe that's why we come to Earth, to actually attain something that we would nevr attain in Heaven. I don't look at it as dark, although it is dark compared to Heaven, but I think it's better to look at it as only a place of attainment. Just like we never know what it's like to climb a mountain till we actually climb one. We will never know what it's like to be rejected in Heaven, and we'll never know the lesson from that experience until we experience it. There are limitless lessons to learn like that. I look at Earth kind of like a play ground where we come to learn and grow. When we get back to Heaven we can all smile and laugh from our experience here on Earth.
With my experience, I didn't see anyone but God and I. I did sense Earth had kind of a bubble or something seperating it from the rest of Heaven around it. The Earth was kind of like off limits. But unless it was really important, which no silly little lifetime is really, I couldn't go back to Earth to tell others I was alive.
I'm wondering if this lesser God you mention was one of the lesser beings in Heaven. There were things I didn't see but could sense on my journey. There were lesser beings I could sense.
There were other deminsions where others, people and other beings like Angels and who knows what were, and I could go there if I wanted, but didn't. Everyone I ever knew was there, but I never went to them. I kind of wanted some time to readjust back to Heaven, but I knew it wouldn't be long before I went back to earth again. (Even though time was meaningless there) It seemed I could go back to any age on Earth if I wanted. And it didn't really matter anyway, because before you knew it they would be with you again. But I really learned how time is meaningless. The past, present, and future are all the same when it comes ot living in eternity.
Also you mention the darkness. Remember everything came from the darkness, even Heaven right? God created the Heavens and Earth in Gen 1:1 Then created light in verse 3. God created plants in verse 11 and then created the sun in verse 14. So that first light wasn't the light from the Sun. I believe like you, that there's a light without heat, meaning no UV rays in that light. Light is a strange critter for Science to chew on. It seems to be alive in some way, just like water. There is an incredible energy for science to yet discover that's going to turn their world upside down.
I don't look at Eath as learning black. I look at it as having to have black to learn light.
In my experience God didn't make me do anything. It was all my choice. It was like Heaven is a play ground too. It was my choice if I came back or not. My life flashed before me in about 3-4 seconds but I experienced each event good or bad in real time, but there was no judgement. God basically said "Good" and then basically said to go have fun now.
We remind me of kids being dragged down a path kicking and screaming all the way and when we finally get to the destination we stand in awe wondering what all the fuss was about. Have you heard the saying The only difference between a flower and a weed is a judgement? That's the way I look at experiences in life. There's something to learn in most events. It's all good in my book even though it may hurt, and sometimes it has to hurt and hurt till you learn the lesson, then it all disappears, and you smile in the end along with God. There are events that have nothing to do with your learning, some are just natural events that have nothing to do with our progression. And sometimes events that don't make sense to us aren't ment for us too. But I believe it's still all good weather it's a lesson for us to learn, or natural events, or a lesson for someone else to learn.
Like you said too, we choose the lessons we want to learn when we come to Earth. We leave it totally up to God on how to acheive that. Imagine trying to do that for each person in the world. Pretty complicated isn't it? But the drunk laying in the parking lot where you work could be there to remind you to not drink. This person could be willingly doing this for you, learning service to others, or self-scarific, or just learning what it's like to live of life of addiction to somehting other than God. A person in prison could be there for various reasons too. How could we possibly know for sure. Sometimes I think it might be possible to know, but who knows for sure. I think that's why it's best to just reflect the glory of God without our judgements changing what God intended. That's mastery in itself.
I think it would be really nice to be an Angel type being, but I think what God has in store for us is even greater. So I will keep driving over the humps and bumps along the road God has planed for me. Think of how much joy there will be after the journey! WOW! I think it might be enough to cause a universe to explode into existance. Kind of makes you think doesn't it?
kinda like everything else in this life... starts out soft and sweet... but ends up with the drum beat being so loud that the voice is only barely distinguishable...
would love to hear nothing but the voice... not that i agree or disagree with the lyrics... but love that voice... point being... why can't we see the beauty... and accept things as they are... rather than always trying to improve/add to them...
lol...
;-)
oh well...
"it's a wonderful day in the neighborhood"...
Yeah the voice reminds me of an Angel singing alone to God at first. Like you said I guess it's in our nature to try and improve on it when it's pure already. Maybe some day huh?
and still...I know there is no feminine God in heaven either....at
least in the God who is love.. Male only references to God send up a
red flag in my spirit as God who is love is neither male or female...
We can put those labels over God and many even see God that way when
they have NDE's but I did not...
I just grow wearied of the God who is love being portrayed as a "He"
and capitalized none the less.... The God of this world would have us
all call him a Him...it fits Him... but the God in heaven is love
without end... neither male or female... Still, I know it is a just
as off course for me to call love feminine...but the love in heaven
reminds me of the mother whose son is on death row for a heinous
murder... and she says...He is not guilty... the father says...He gets
what he deserves...but the mother...she knows it deep down...that her
son committed no crime... at least that is what I have found...
I am sorry that I repeated myself... I still loved the deeper message of love in the song... Thank you...
I was a musician for 20 years so don't really listen to the words so much, it's more about how it makes you feel, to me.
And I agree about hearing God being called a he. It seems so chauvinistic to me. In my experience I couldn't really tell if what I met was male of female, but if I had to choose, it would have to be male for me, because it definately didn't seem female.
Hi Margie,
Sorry but it wasn't a nde. It was just an experience like I've been saying all along. The only thing I can relate it to is like a nde, but I didn't die or almost die that I know of. The only people that seem to relate to it are nde's though. I can't say if it was real, a dream, illusion, hallucination or figment of the imagination. What I do know is it changed my outlook forever. I wish it would have changed me in every way, but that wouldn't be real I guess.
Also I felt the love from that experience for a two or three days afterwards. I know that for sure, and it wasn't like any other love I've felt before. I guess it was more genuine or holy or something. It was in every cell in my body. It ran right through me like those UV heaters that don't produce heat. It was like a wave washing right through me. It was like two beings became one literally. Something was actually in me and I was in it, and what ever it was, was the most loving thing I've ever experienced. Those are the things that convinced me there was something to it, and that I should follow it where ever it leads. I was just starting to see if there was something to the Bible and Christianity when it happened. I was going though several life changing experiences already. Enough things where a lot of people have killed themselves for a lot less, and it was the first time I actually thought about it too. I held on in the face of absolute destruction to that experience and here I am today better than I've ever been. Still a long way to go, but I'm not where I was.
I could try and write down what I experienced, but I've tried before and since it happened back in 2000 and the nature of it, I've never been able to do it justice. I forget some things, can't explain some things, and didn't really understand some things. So I just mention the things I remember when I remember them or like when Rudi mentions things and it triggers my memory. One other thing I know for sure is there's something beyond the material world where we live now because I've experienced it, and as far as I can tell, it was God. Hey I just thought maybe it was some kind of out of body experience. Never thought of that one before. Oh well I believe some day I'll know.
Take Care Margie! (Hope you like this song too! It's called The Gathering)
I grow weary of seeing all this God stuff of love and beauty and the many other wonderful adjectives so freely being tossed around.
For sure, God is love and the animating force of the universe but that's only half of the story.
It's like people are saying I got mine to hell with you. While all the suffering continues. Its a form of apathy. Get lost in the love of God so you can cop-out from actually doing something about the suffering that is purposely being done to us and our fellow human beings.
Oh I discovered God all right - on the batlefield and ever since then I can't help but fight the people that gave us the battle. But according to some folks "Oh that's allright God knows what he's/she's doing". "As long as I'm safe and I know God loves me". Meanwhile - The suffering and wars continue. And folks sit there lost in the love of God. Doing nothing. Or trying to figure out this great mystery and debating amounst themself who has the true path to God. All the while death and destruction, lies and deceit surround you. You can't see it because you don't want to do anything about it. That's apathy at its finest.
Do you really know God??? Is it possible to be "enlightened"?
Once you experience that volume of love is it possible to NOT get angry at the genocide they have brought us? Can you just sit there and watch them kill your loved ones, kill your friends? (If you saw the blood and heard the screams it WOULD be different) Is it now no longer possible for you to get at least a little upset at these things? Or do you rationalize: "Well, God knows what he's/she's doing I'll just stay out of it". That's a cop-out. That's apathy. That's NOT right.
If God is love and life then God MUST be hate and genocide also. That IS the bottom line on what is being said.
There are some things that MUST anger you. There are some things you cannot rationalize away.
If you are so far lost in this love thing you cannot get angry at legitimate injustices, at purposefull suffering, at planned death and dying (genocide) of your fellow human beings, well, what can I say? Good luck!!! You're going to need it.
And don't think for a momment I don't know God. I learned about Him/Her many years ago in a far off country fighting in a contrived war. God does NOT like seing his creations blown to bits, his children starving, and the sheer volume of suffering "they" have brought to this earth.
War is hell and heaven. Not venting just trying to wake some folks up. Lots of work to do cleaning this show up. Can't see sitting around debating the undebatable. Get to work, spread some love around. "They" just hate that. We will win....
lol! Well you are preaching to the choir my friend! Curezone compared to the public at large is quite awake! This is just one of many topics here check them out ,so don't be to quick to judge!
I'm wondering how you're planning to "Get to work, & spread some love around." I try to speard love and alternative health everywhere I go. Probably to a fault according to some. I just come here after days end for hopefully a few last thoughts. Great way to end the day.
"They" just hate that. We will win...."? Where's the seperation you see in "They" and "We"? You said you're Christian.
It's always been between the rulers and the ruled. "They" are the rulers. The people that run this planet. The "elite", Those that think themselves elivated above us mere mortals. The bankers, "The rich men the world", Whatever you want to call them. It's their money so "they" run the show.
"We" are the unwashed masses (according to them), "The people", the ones they rule.
Is that loaded question? Just kidding. I believe Jesus was smart enough to know you won't be punished for your anger, your anger will punish you. Yes I get pissed, but I don't let it control me. The things you talk about that piss you off, piss me off too, but I will not strike out in anger. That's what I believe the difference is between you and I. If an army was invading America, I'd would be one of the first old farts in line. The war on terror isn't a war though, and I never bought into it and never will.
By the way, that movie is half right about what religion is. If you want the truth read "Unlock Reality". I only watched that clip till after the opening scenes and where they started saying religion was a lie. That was enough for me tonight. It's getting late and maybe I'll watch more some other time.
I totally agree that 99% of the Bible isn't the word of God or Jesus. You could say it's 99% comentary. Most of it is the word of man & man winds up saying things that aren't true in there, but that doesn't make it a lie. I view lies as intentional & what was said in the Bible wasn't said to intentionally mislead. And each book has a mans name at the beginning stating who the author was. So the book was written by man and thus flawed. As you can see I'm Christian, but very unconventional. But what a lot of people fail to see is the basic truth in the Bible can be summed up in, there is a God & if you believe in God you're "saved". Saved can mean different things, but to me it means you're going to try to live true to what you are.
I could go on and on about all this, but like I said it's late. But if you want to talk more about it I can show you what it's all about. When you look at it factually an atheist can't deny it, which I say from experience, unless the atheist is unable to understand truth, or doesn't want to out of spite.
I know that the last thing I need to do is forgive God...
I am angry too but forgive I must...that us what love is,,,
forgiveness. We who fell with the fallen aspect of God,
conspired with God to fall away from love...and in doing so...
created death and dying... I have some things about me that I am
not proud of...and my main lack of forgiveness is with God...
for letting me go...letting me fall...but I fell because the door
to death amd dying was open...but so is the door back home....open...
to every loving act that we will experience...and we is a larger we...
for every soul and spirit that bfell from the side of love...walked
out of the gates of heaven...and fell into a body...
I posted this above but I hope this is for you...
I know I am not there yet in my learning... just like you...
I just have my square NDE peg to try to fit into a round world...
From my NDE, I came to understand that God who is love
is not omniscient...in the dimension of time and death
but has the potential to be omniscient... just as a
light switch can potentially make a room light...God
who is love has the potential to turn on the lights
and dispel death and dying. Love can not see anything
but love....Love can not look on unlove without unlove
vanishing but just because you can turn a light on in
a dark room does not mean the room is light.
Did you know that you are the one who turned off the lights so you could play in the dark?
God who is light can not experience pain... If love
looks on pain...pain vanishes.... but God who is love
has a shadow side... called free-will... where
darkness and pain reside...where death and dying reign...
Pain is why we fell...because where we came from there is no pain...
It is a kind of Lepers colony.. where they can feel no pain...and so some of us...1/3rd of us want to feel pain...so we fell to heal that desire to feel pain...
to cure our Lepers soul by giving it flesh that feels pain...death and dying...time...
That portion of God, that created time, I call the
Librarian. The Librarian or God of the underworld...at
least for earth... is a lesser God who resides just
outside of the atmosphere in my NDE...is the fallen
aspect of God who is love... When God created this
lesser dimension of God...God split into an infinite amount
of fallen souls who fell from the light...
less one piece... and all of the fallen aspects of God
hid behind free-will... in the
shadows where at least in this dimension and in this
world we live in a world where 2/3rds of everything
is light while 1/3rd of everything is dark...
The Librarian records everything we do and records our
intentions...we qho fell...but in the tunnel...
where we have our life
reviews...what is not loving is filtered out...our
soul sheds all of its unlove...and all that enters into
heaven is love...where the light have gone on... and
the Librarian is just doing his job of recording
everything...and maintaining all of the contracts we
who willfully fell into time and death made with each
other... and when the last contract was signed...the
division of oneness began...
This Librarian has a job....and records everything
that each soul and spirit does and their
intentions..... and this being is omniscient...in the
dimension of space and time...He is the rule maker and
he metes out karma... or clauses in our contracts we
made with one another...the
rock...plant...tree...planets...stars...animals...plants...trees...and
each everything has with one another...to consume one
another...but he has to maintain a perfect balance of
66.666...light and 33.333... dark... It is his belief
that this balance is superior to pure love...100%
light... When he(The Librarian) is orchestrating love for us he
may appear to be loving but there is no love in
him...as he is just a conduit through which the light
moves through... a light bulb is not light... but
rather...he is the absence of love... but...where time
ends...he can not enter in....
I know what I am saying goes against what other near
death experiencers have experienced... and very
different from what those of my own religious point of
view believe... but I have to trust that my NDE is
describing the same thing that others see but just
from a different vantage point....
Self forgiveness is the key... I teach the blind in the day...
to see without eyes... they may want to be healed but they have
come to the point where they want to just get on with their lives...
to learn to see without eyes... I think we want not to feel pain...
now that we have pain...but we want to be Lepers again...
we want to be pain free... but here we are feeling pain...
but we must go on with our lives... I know I must forgive myself
first...but one day...when the last person has given up unlove for
love...we will have to forgive God for opening that door... God who is love
opened that door because love was curious...but it is up to us to close it...
I will meet you one day on the other side... Let's tell the God who is love...
that love's lesser self is causing too much pain down here and that
we need this death and dying crap to end... Where two or more are gathered
together in Love's name... Love is there... Waybe that will be enough...Death and dying would be rolled up then... Life will burst out across the earth...
and we will enter in...to a new earth...where there are no more men killing men..women...and children... I have seen this place in a dream...
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