Actually, I would consider this slander. You are making very specific accusations.
Where is the link? In your head....?
Prove it. But you cannot can you? Where do you think the sales are? From J Crow...nope. From Lynn, nope (all her sales go to Breast Cancer research). Hmmmm, where is all the money going to? Who is clammering for what product?
You are such a fool.
I say...prove it. Show the link, or for the love of god, just Pulleeezzee shut up.
You are just a trouble maker. Pure and simple. And that, my dear, is called a TROLL. Yes, I call it like I SEE it too. An ego is a terrible thing to watch go unchecked.
Yes we all have egos. We are to have control over our egos, not have our egos control us. Pinky and the brains are totally controlled by there egos. It took Hopinso 3 posts before she got it across to them that they were included. They just don't get it. Its either because they are two damn dumb or there egos are running them.
# words falsely spoken that damage the reputation of another
# aspersion: an abusive attack on a person's character or good name
# defame: charge falsely or with malicious intent; attack the good name and reputation of someone; "The journalists have defamed me!" "The article in the paper sullied my reputation"
What does a troll do? They seek to damage another, both personal and through defamation either of a protocol or a person. It seems to be that S is doing both.
If I was at work and she started to say the same things about me, she would be in serious trouble. In real life, this is called slander. The intent to do harm.
By not stopping her ascertains or attacks, it now falls in the category of harrassment, or even stalking. (Yes, you can stalk on a forum).
She is no longer attacking the protocol, she is attacking actual people. Virtual or not. She is accusing them of doing something in which she has no proof, and is making a very public ascertion of the same.
Should she have done this to a site in which there is a livelyhood, such as Barefoot or Humaworm, she might actually be in legal trouble. However, there is no livelyhood issue at the VWT forum.
This is a very real issue. A personal attack on the internet, might one day become grounds for real life slander and defamation lawsuits. A simple lawful missive to the Webmaster would reveal the posters personal information.
I think that the day has come that people should be quite careful about what they say on the internet. It is not as anonymous as some believe.
There is a big difference between shouting matches and saying screw you to someone, but to make exacting statements about one's integrity is not kosher. You may dislike someone, but you do not start making up unfounded accusations.
I suspect that this person, whoever she is, is not that savvy in a sense of real world business and unclear on what is acceptable behavior.
This is definitely trollish due to the extreme volume of the attacks. The unending attacks. I for one would expect the webmaster to make some decision on this basis.
If you are going to argue protocol, and someone's view of the protocol, that is one thing. Anything else is walking a very fine line.
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Really if VWT could just be honest about their agenda and stop playing games…
It is so obvious that the have direct ties to Lugol’s/Iodoral research and that they are CLEARLY directing people on a path. Surely, curezoners are not stupid and can see thru this. Consider, Lynn the director of Breast Cancer Choices, just how did her name get mixed into all this????
Oh and Vomat’s post SLANDER, boy is that the pot calling the kettle black, LOL:
Vombat’s post:
ummmm...I think that the poster "spdina" has gone beyond mere trolling.
This is slander, misguided slander, but slander nonetheless. starts here:
Oh and, of course, it was the GLITCH again, so convenient…
Really all of it, the attacks and everything else is simply an ACT of detraction on their part, to keep everyone from being in the KNOW!
In fact, I think many of their characters they create are simply to make their products seem more inviting, which is really very dangerous because real people may not respond the same way to these therapeutic doses of iodine.
I respect people like MH, DQ and many others because they are up front and honest about who they are and what they are up to.
I would respect VWT if they did the same, but as it stands I think they are full of sh*t!
I will leave you to ponder on this lovely story:
The Vulcan Who Cried Wolf
The protagonist of the fable is a bored Vulcan who entertained himself by calling out “wolf”. Nearby curezoners who came to his rescue found that the alarms were false and that they'd wasted their time. When the Vulcan was actually confronted by a wolf, the curezoners did not believe his cries for help and the wolf ate him. In some fairy-tale versions, when the curezoners ignore him the wolf eats him, and in other versions he simply mocks the Vulcan, saying now no one will help him, and that it serves him right for playing tricks. The moral is stated at the end of the fable as:
"Even when liars tell the truth, they are never believed. The liar will lie once, twice, and then perish when he tells the truth."
Slander is a spoken defamation. Defamation or "defamation of character," is spoken or written words that falsely and negatively reflect on a LIVING PERSON’S [and also must be a REAL PERSON’S] reputation.
If the person makes a statement of OPINION as opposed to fact, the statement may NOT support a cause of action for defamation.
A defense similar to opinion is "fair comment on a matter of public interest". If the mayor of a town is involved in a corruption scandal, expressing the opinion that you believe the allegations are true is not likely to support a cause of action for defamation.
As was stated before, I am not Lynne. You still owe her an apology. Read Hanna's latest post in the Webmaster forum. Posts are being messed up all over the place.
Get a grip.
And, the definition holds. And what you did to Lynne, who is indeed a real person, posting under a real name, absolutely holds.
This is a woman who has tirelessly worked to inform women of the link between Fibrocystic Breast Disease and cancer using Iodine as a potential cure for the past decade. She has been to many conferences and has been trying to get this message out. Curezone was the first forum that not only supported her, but investigated many other aspects of the protocol. Lynne has been active on Curezone for her own education. The efforts of that forum has uncovered many aspects of the process involved in this supplementation and is in fact, considered a brain trust on the internet. Are they passionate about their findings? Yes they are. And should they be left to continue their active investigation?...again, yes.
The progress they have shown has been attacked endlessly. And you wonder why some of the forum owners are testy? From the very beginning there has been an onslaught of disrespect. Even when they tell people that this is our protocol, and are very clear about it, they have had to ban people who are taking the forum off track. Who want to debate them. Insidiously at times. Someone who appears to be supportive, who through their own personal issues decides they don't like one or the other of the forum owners and decide to attack. Sometimes with the most outlandish conspiracies and detractions.
When I say you owe an apology to Lynne, I am being sincere. I know that you must realize that this is not her number. As I said before, if you apologize, I would be willing to uncover my identity. I don't want to do that, but I will be willing to do so for the credibility of Lynne. I was hoping the Webmaster would step in and validate this, but he has not. If you have any grace, you will not ask me to do so.
This is Lynne's website. It is not for profit, with all the payments going to Breast Cancer research. It is tax deductible.
You do a great disservice to the women out there that have FBD. This is a very real crisis in our country. Women do need to know that there are alternatives. Iodine is a very real potential cure. It works, and amazingly well. I have experienced it myself. I know of allopathic doctors (personally) that are studying the effects of iodine and breast health. You have, by your previous post, been disrespectful to a woman that has done more than most people in life for the health of women. I should hope you feel ashamed by your actions.
I am completely done with this transaction now. I have been on curezone for awhile now, and I have never been more resolved in my quest to fight someone who is causing a great deal of dissension at this website. You are now, in my opinion, doing more harm than good here.
I have said my peace. I have emailed the webmaster about you. There is little more that I can do to stop you. If you continue, then the rest is your responsibility and ethics...whatever you decide to do.
Just because someone has done some good doesn't mean they can't ever do wrong! I'm certain Lynne is not PERFECT. In fact, most of our greatest leaders were far from perfect and have been involved in some very ugly things.
Breast Cancer Choices is probably a good organization that has benefited many and has it's merits, but if they are playing any sort of games here on curezone then I think there may be a problem.
I'm sure that I am in the ballpark on some of my theory, of course, I can't be certain of any of it.
I do find it interesting how viciously posters will get attacked whenever they go against VWT's views...
However, I find it more interesting that it's not happening on this occasion.
My copy of Black's Law Dictionary defines defamation as: "An intentional false communication, either published or publicly spoken, that injures another's reputation or good name. Holding up of a person to ridicule, scorn or contempt in a respectable and considerable part of the community; may be criminal as well as civil. Includes both libel and slander."
Thus, one key element is that the communication must be false. To the extent that what is communicated is true, it would appear to be outside the scope of the legal definition of defamation.
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