I am not blasting you at all. I am saying that you nor anyone should decide what route someone else takes to get to the Path.
I do not believe, nor did I imply that Monica is weak minded. She herself claims she is 'newer to spirituality' than you or others that post on here. Thus, the reason to say, takes what works for HER and not everyone else, necessarily.
As for Me resonating, I did not bring up what I resonated with. I understand what ET says, some works for me and yet some does not. As is much I have learned over the years. I was brought up Lutheran. When I was young, some worked for me. As I became older and realized that not all that was taught to me, did not work for me, I kept what did and released (still working on releasing more) what did not. I have read much and yet there is always a beginning book for people. Myself, I am still reading or listening. I am of the belief that to stop learning is to die...as a few 'teachers' I have heard speak say.
Many writers serve themselves and still serve the Way. Come on, because a person wants to live a life beyond meager measure they are wrong? There is nothing wrong with wanting to teach others AND make money. ET is entitled to both...as are we all.
As far as Ego, that you keep bringing up, we all have one and I do not know that it is necessary or even realistic to 'remove' its existence completely. This I cannot speak much about because it is limited in my knowledge, at this time.
I am saying that you nor anyone should decide what route someone else takes to get to the Path.
when did I ever assumed I could do that? I expressed vividly my opinion on the source, and that is it. Maybe other poeople like Monica lacked that information and I still think it was something useful to point out, to put the whole thing in a more real perspective. Besides the fact that sticking to ET you miss incredible pearls of teaching, and you wouldn't want to trade gold with brass would you, just because brass is all you know.
Also, if you don't like him, it's a good thing you saved your money.
To call others a fool for purchasing a book that works for them, is to call you a fool for being so narrowminded. It is not an accurate statement or is it?
"Anything Oprah endorses I'm always a little skeptical of and nothing negative about trusting but verifying :D"
Oprah has come full circle in her life. She has done the 'trash' tv, and has now become a respected woman for her ability to bring awareness to tv. Not just ET, yet her charities and her abilities. She has much to offer and does so often.
I wonder if what you say is through your ego disliking her for having so much? Just a thought...
I'm in the midst of writing in an accessible way about the effects of very fine (high-vibration) applications of colour in paint, and attempting an introduction to the frontier in that field -yet to be articulated by anyone, yet to be appreciated.
All of it ultimately has to do with energy. All is energy, and attention to flow -- meditation included. I think Oprah is doing something amazing
in the sense of lifting masses of people into a *slightly* higher vibration.
What concerns me is that she's potentially leaving them reliant on a book/"disseminator"/a "middle man"...
This really has all been taught before. It's not that someone is or is not a 'phony'--it's whether or not they have humility and appreciation for the stream
of energy that came before.
In looking for a master, always look to see whether they respect and give homage to those who have come before
ET, as far as I can tell, has been seduced into this new Harpo excitement. Whatever breakthroughs in recognition and realization he has experienced are in danger of being swallowed and lost. There's so much self-congratulation in the west..
that said, I nodded and smiled at the notion of beings becoming more crystalline...like : Yes!!! this is OLD teaching though. There's a danger
in making things so
are you writing on something similar to the "velatura"? i don't know if there's an english term for this, the ancient technique of adding many many layers of almost transparent oil? I've never tried it myself, I had a friend who used it and was able to finish a canva only quite rarely as it took him really a ton of time.
"are you writing on something similar to the "velatura"?"
No, but that sounds like fun. (I've only worked with acrylics and watercolours, mostly because of a sensitivity to thinners, etc.) This is about a method of formulating wall paint that is much closer to composing a piece of music than it is to mixing pigments. Actually, it is very much an alchemy that gets its information from all levels--from the whole person, and formulated FOR the whole being: the seen and unseen. The end result is a harmonic resonance that interacts with the human energy field -- as well as the fields of 'place'. It's very interesting to try to articulate at an introductory level that will not put people off, nor make them feel that this is something that is 'beyond' them--when the truth is, everything that any of us can imagine here, is FOR us, we are not FOR it, y'know. That's why *I'm* wary of posturing and hype, and the sort of thing that happens when perennial wisdom gets packaged and 'morselized'. Soon people will be spouting catch-phrases from this A.N.E. series.I have a slight concern that then, when they get tired of the honeymoon phase, and move on to the next life-changing bunch of exercises, they'll actually discard *the whole basket of light*, as it were.
It's quite wondrous though how everything really does 'come together': ET, Oprah, children, stones learning to sing, coal becoming diamonds--even ET's gawd-awful gold vest. Yikes!!!!(youtube);-)
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"ET is decidedly gnomish" (forget who said it.) lol. I've seen all sorts of highly evolved Rinpoches (meaning "precious one")and they come in all shapes and appearances. One thing they do share though, is what emits *from* them. I can't say I sense that particular field around ET.
Everyone is different, and everyone resonates different with a specific book, person etc. Allow them to just be.
I think the Eckhart Tolle books are just a stepping stone for people who resonates and allows them to raise their own awareness one notch up. As well for me Abraham teachings are just a stepping stone. As well for others the Wayne Dyer books are a stepping stone as well. Likewise for 'Conversations with God' series by Neale Walsh. The list goes on.
Allow them to just be. Learn to allow than to tolerate. Read from the book "The Law Of Attraction" by Esther and Jerry Hicks the pages 126 and 127 and the next pages about allowing and tolerance.
Ynaig, Welsh did something original and Hicks too, ET does not. As simple as that. The people of the Secret didn't do anything so very original, but didn't they begin by saying: there's a secret that has been around for centuries...they did mention that, they did actually declare they had discovered nothing new. They've been honest.
If at least ET didn't imply that these ideas he has borroughed are his, it would be ok enough. That he didn't encounter the truth he speaks of without that tradition is indicated by the language he uses, which is the same. It would't be so if he had encountered that truth his own way. So he is being dishonest.
Now the art of allowance doesn't make me a braindead that takes in whatever teaching without testing it. I'm in this with Buddha that recommended to test his teachings with the same precision used by those who buy gold. The resonating is all right, because what he talks of is truth of jade, but him as a source is not pure and this is important to be aware of, IMO.
So, the idea is, enjoy the teaching but be alert, as ET is not what he claims to be. I don't see what's wrong with that.
You know, Ynaig, Sophia, whoever is reading-- the ego isn't interested in "pure" teaching. There is a reason for a lineage of master and devotee/disciple/student one to the next to the next. Buddha was well aware of the ego's universal domination when he uttered these words: "I have found you, oh builder. You shall build no more!"
Ego only wants to be able to consume and consume, a little of this, a little of that, and become a bigger (*separate*) self, constructed out of a bunch of other smaller separate self parts (of an original, and usually denied, Greater All). What irony.
If the ego is doing the steering, it doesn't matter where anything comes from--though the source may well be consumed whole, and spat out later. The (secret) aim is to make whatever *it* is "mine". Something to be aware of. Which I think is what your intuition is telling you (sophia.)
How do you suppose people would receive the news of (what is, imv) the much realer secret that needs unearthing: The Tyranny of Ego! Think it'd fly? This is what people are referring to when they talk about passing through a place of difficulty in the spiritual process, because it IS a process. (I suspect ET doesn't attribute any sources (no Guru) because he believes he's awakened, having been near suicide more than once. I think, to be fair he might speak of levels of awakening. Would hate for Oprah viewers to be so deluded as to imagine they are "awakened" just because they now emjoy the wondrous nature of nature.)
Denying there is any struggle in the genuine path, only serves to shore up more ornamentation on top of a 'body' of strengthened ego. Maybe my long missive on Ego would have been a useful post... hmmm.
Doesn't what you say seems to be judgmental? Abraham says to not judge anyone by what they are. We have to learn to accept them for what they are. If you don't like Eckhart Tolle, and it gives you negative feelings, then you are not allowing, and more likely you are somewhat tolerating. Abraham says it's best to allow than tolerate.
You are focusing too much on the differences between Eckhart Tolle, Neale Walsh, etc. Didn't Abraham say to not bring a lower vibration into yours?
Allow others to resonate with Eckhart Tolle, Neale Walsh and others at their own vibration.
you have much good information to share, Sofia. Yet, I do not think you were misunderstood. Your post was quite clear on your feelings and thoughts of ET. Which I totally agree that you have the right to think and believe what you do, as does everyone else.
Apparently, this is not a particular post that everyone is going to see it as you do, so next... It is not necessary that everyone agree with everyone else.
Do what you feel you must. If that is leaving, then I will say thank you for sharing of yourself. I know I have learned from you and appreciate you.
There's a system here of accentuation of some posts with R's and that is the one declaring quite loudly that my voice has no place here. Sure I could have expressed more softly but I could also have been saved from that but I wasn't. So time to pack, which is fine with me. byebye! been a pleasure
like Serefina mentioned:
they don't mention other sources for people to better discern and broaden their thinking
i think it is a miseducation for the attempted new world order:
*to live without ego, is it possible as one function in this world as an individual being? no
people will confuse this with non-thinking, uncritically allowing the government to fuck them up.
*saying the transmission is a class, implying that people watching are in lack, in their awareness and in their faculties
*the awful message of "we need to shift or else we are doomed" what bloody doom? scaring people in one end and giving them a pink carrot of hope in the other, like the church when it still had something to say.
*calling him the father of now, positioning him as an authoritative figure, making people drop thinking for themselves, asking what would ET do?
*the book is rubbish
am i breathing? give me a break. the silly listing of every bloody country in the world by Oprah, broadcasting across boarders, hurray, welcome the forth reich. " I must noth zhink" "i musth noth zhink"
I am neither for nor against Tolle but this is really rich . Here you are talking about Tolle talking about world shift or doom and in the next breath you posit you own petty fear mongering narrow minded middle of the road worn out "cliche" conspiracy theory of "world order" and the "goverment fucking us over"..................................;+D
now I suppose lao will reply on his own, but I just wanted to point out that the presence of such a plan as the new world order is a fact and there is wide evidence of it, it's not an opinion of lao. While Tolle's view of a doomed future because of the amplifying factor of technology (what about internet? isn't it technology and yet a quite progressive factor?) is a totally speculative position, not founded on any evidence. Therefore, you're comparing pears and apples.
(keep breathing)
edit: wanted to add, if it wasn't already clear, that prospecting doom and offering a convenient alternative is a classic operative tool of the world order. Proved and documented, no fantasy. Coincidence? maybe. But with an initiative with the impact and visibility as the one of Oprah a double check is wise, at the least. And a guy that tells not to think in that context to 2 million people is to be TRIPLE checked inside out. Or are we to "allow" all the crap they sell us?
i mention new world order, but do you see me shivering with fear? sometimes i'm bothered by traces of the suppression of humanity by power seeking people, but mainly i'm fine as i go about my business.
i do know how i phrased myself is a juicy perspective, but it rings as true to me as the polar opposite perspective; that these two are the angles of good, discoverers of the now of wonders.
besides, to view it this way is more fun, otherwise it just dribble, posing to be spiritually progressive
and besides, what's worn out about governments fucking us over??
Where i am now, there is a hunger strike going on, the teachers have not received pay i seven months, these are not private schools. and the country is rich, some few are stinking rich. Why don't you come to the protesters and tell them their protests is tired worn out cliches?
i'm tempted to say shut your gob, but i'll play it nice instead,
have a great day
Well firstly I am disappointed to hear you are thinking of leaving. Despite some differences of opinion, I find myself often interested in what you have to say. :)
And to clarify, Tolle did clearly say, in the first video because that's all I've seen in its entirety, that what he says isn't anything new. He credits Jesus, Buddha, etc. as catalysts, in my words. And now we are in a time for many more people to absorb change.
Sofia, I am quite sure that if you read his material you would be saying "yes", "yes", "yes". But for some reason there is some screen in front of you that is criticizing his sayings. The deeper question for you is, what is it in yourself that gets so offended by his work or his presentation of it? What is it that makes you feel 'duped' or that no one is listening to you?
These answers/thoughts/feelings all stem from the ego anyway, the very thing you are attacking Tolle with. And if you are feeling strong negative reaction from my words, there is the proof of some truth to them.
You may feel that I, and others, are attacking you. That is only from the ego as well. Only the ego likes seperation and isolation. I am simply asking some questions of reflection for you.
Hi heartspirit!
I got upset with the R's not with the posts, exchanging of opinions is good and some argumentations made me think and I'm still chewing on them.
I've just bumped into this moderator another time, she's making her little games and I just don't care. Once this thread is finished I'm gone.
Sure enough, it's been a reaction of the mind on my part, but also call it an uneasy feeling. Lao has worded the feeling of sneaky in action better than I could. Call me paranoid, but I still believe in the utility of keeping critical thought and eyes wide open on what plate is served in such "easy" and "popular" tones. It ain't a flower, very far from it, clear?
The credits to Jesus and Buddha were too generic to be considered a reference. I saw a part of the second chapter and yes, he did mention that the question of who am I has a tradition behind, that was a relief (BTW, it's a typical rinzai zen inquiery for beginners, and, totally different tradition, it was at the core of Ramana Maharshi's practice - please check into RM, you'll see in his face especially at the end what I really can't see in ET, the radiance chiron was talking of). Maybe when Oprah called him the Father of Now he was too tensed being just at the beginning of the whole thing, to say that no he wasn't. Still, it was scary to hear.
You say: These answers/thoughts/feelings all stem from the ego anyway, the very thing you are attacking Tolle with. That's right, but I'm not out there in Oprah's show talking to 2 millions of people on going beyond the ego, am I? Noblesse oblige, he can't afford being so obviously not what he claims to be. On my part, I'm working at it, and this exchange of opinions here has made me think. But as I said I'm not too keen on throwing critical thinking in the dustbin as many of you seem to be, I prefer to have elements telling me I that I can trust and only then open up. It might be wrong, I'll think of it and I'll also ask peyote, as I'm gonna have a session these days.
ciao heartspirit, it's been a pleasure to meet you and I hope we'll run into each other again in some other forum
ciao also to this forum, I wish to everybody all the best
What you are calling "critical thinking" is fear based. Fear that what you are so identified with being "I" might shift and invalidate all your previous efforts. This is most common and the very thing that keeps many trapped in their own self imposed pseudo intellectual prison of words and book learning and not achieving their desires by experiencing life AS IS and not through the ego based thought of how you (ego) think things are.............................
sure it's quite funky to receive a lesson on fear by someone who's hiding identity, although we we all know who it is as he doesn't breath.
(you wished you had the last word...)
...because I'm leaving. So please have your last irrelevant word.
(BTW, anyone who thinks he doesn't fear the depth of existence is either mad or stupid. Better to be afraid AND KNOW IT than swallow down without a blink any tranquillizer with pseudo-spiritual manners)
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