I don't think I'd rate Doc Mercola as the "most astonishing health disaster of the 20th century".
After all, there are thousands of cranks and quacks with websites. When they're not marketing useless glop, they spend the rest of their time attacking medical therapies and preventative measures that actually work (like immunization).
The two goals are connected. It's hard to fleece customers without first convincing them that every single mainstream therapy without exception is dangerous or ineffective.
Which is part of the reason sleaze operators target vaccination so obsessively. It's been such an obvious outstanding success, that it's necessary to deny its value at every turn.
Which of the figures on the video do you disagree with? Why don't you go back and write down each one and come back with some cut and paste rebuttals. One problem - most of those figures I have seen are from mainstream sources.
I will throw you this bone - I like and agree with a lot Mercola has to say. However, I believe that Mercola has cranked up his marketing to the point of turning me off and it does detract from his messages. In my opinion, at least. I also disagree with his no-grains diet for most (over 90%) of the people.
I better stop now before a civil and intelligent discussion breaks out amongst the hype here . . . .
I'm not surprised you're defending the guy on his antivaxery. On the marketing angle, probably you're jealous that he's working the same crowd as you, only far more successfully. :)
You had a window of opportunity there, piglet. Like a fact, you failed to recognize it.
OK then, the band is now playing De Guello for you - and I will pounce on your death jabbing pork butt every time you dare suggest that we stick poisons into our children, our elderly or ourselves instead of practicing good hygiene and natural immune boosting.
My, it does get all excited when its financial motives are questioned. ;)
Go ahead, rant about poisons. And I'll remind you about your toxic Oleander soup promotions and your fondness for permanent skin-discoloring colloidal silver.
Vaccines make it possible for people to avoid getting sick and thinking that they need to medicate themselves with your potions.
Resorting to disgusting lies is only going to make it that much worse, despicable little creature.
Find me one person who has ever taken properly made and taken colloidal silver and turned blue. Or even been harmed.
Likewise, find me one person who has ever taken properly made oleander and ever been harmed. For that matter, find one person who has ever taken anything I recommended who has ever been harmed.
Until you do, your words are just empty and insignificant animal sounds and all here know it. In other words, I am calling you out to either put up or shut up. If you do not, you may consider this a very similar warning to one I gave you before. You didn't listen and look where you ended up. I am afraid the next exit door will not even be that lenient.
Given your repeated accusations without merit, I can only conclude that you are a disgusting liar and you really have no depth you will not sink to in order to peddle your slime in a syringe.
BTW, just awhile ago I took some milk thistle, colloidal silver, oleander extract, vitamin D3, selenium, alpha lipoic acid, l-carnitine, bromelain, and coconut oil. Ate some baby spinach, carrots, raw almonds and tomatoes and drank a glass of Odwalla's superfoods juice. Can anyone fathom preferring that over a tasty DB vaccine?
You see little pig, it always comes back to this: You may squeal as you may, cut and paste mainstream propaganda to your heart's content, and try however else you might, but what you cannot do is escape the fact that YOU are the one who was identified as a troll tool and repeatedly warned before being banished from ALL support forums because of YOUR unrepentent mainstream piles of propaganda and YOU are still trying to feed us the same tired old profit driven company bowls of dung from the same folks who once fed us great heaping bowls of about Vioxx, Bextra, Alleve, FenFen, and Tobacco being safe - and who still maintain that gardasil, fosamax, Aspartame, and all your precious other vaccines are safe.
I, on the other hand, give people the same message as that of natural healers going back to Hippocrates and the oriental healer thousands of years before him: The best health comes from a healthy diet, lifestyle and taking advantage of the healing provided by nature in such a way as to maintain a strong immune system - man's natural first line ofdefense against disease and illness. And the best treatment of disease and illness comes from naturally addressing not only the symptoms but the underlying causes and the health of the overall body.
For you to dispute me, you have to maintain that Hippocrates and man's greatest natural healers, God and nature itself are all quacks, and that modern man is God. And you must do so with no evidence whatsoever that my advice has ever harmed anyone.
As far as my own proof, one has but to look at the nation's graveyards to see the millions that mainstream medicine, including vaccines, has killed. And the many millions more who died prematurely because the evil bastards you serve put profits ahead of humanity.
We could try to contact all those poor people that have taken your advice to eschew real medicne you your books and soup, be we can't. They are all dead from your advice. It is the greatest scam in the world. You convince people with your fear mongering, they stop going to real doctors and buy your book. You make a nice profit and they eventually die.And since you are not a doctor and you were just offering your opinion you go home with the money of the dead, free of any consequence. Like all quacks you make the same stupid arguments, frankly it's hard to tell you apart to the snake oil salesmen of the past , and there is nothing to distinguish you from the current cancer of informercial liars like Trudeau, weird looking Klee Irwing, Danny Vierra, or Ron Jeremy.
Here's more on a couple of DQ's favorite potions. First, colloidal silver:
"With the availability of more effective pharmacologic alternatives, physician-directed use of silver-containing products has significantly declined. However, recently many health-food manufacturers have promoted colloidal-silver-based products as cure-alls. With the proliferation of the Internet, it has become much easier for these manufacturers to market their products to unsuspecting consumers using unsubstantiated claims of effectiveness against major illnesses such as AIDS, cancer, arthritis, and infectious diseases."
They present a case of argyria, that permanent bluish-gray skin discoloration that can come from using colloidal silver:
Of course, colloidal silver fanatics say that such cases are the fault of the victim for not taking the potion "properly".
Someone who rants about "toxins" in vaccines should not be promoting a "soup" made from the extremely toxic Oleander plant, which has no demonstrated efficacy against cancer or any of the other things DQ thinks it's wonderful for. Oleander contains toxic cardiac glycosides and a strychnine-like chemical:
It may be justifiable to recommend a drug or supplement if it works, even though there are potential toxicities or side effects. Pushing a product that doesn't work _and_ is dangerous and/or disfiguring is unconscionable.
The bottom line: None of the Oleander preparations you talk about has ever been demonstrated to be an effective and safe cancer treatment in human clinical trials. The ability to poison cancer cells in a test tube is no indication that any oleander product should be taken for this purpose.
As for the crude oleander "soup" that you promote, anyone willing to risk it should demand that you produce your "research" on it. Which will be tough, as the only "research" I've ever seen from you is the cherry-picked nonsense you dredge up in Google searches.
You've already demonstrate you don't know what a vaccine is or what a toxin is. Now it's revealed you're completely ignorant about the definition of scientific research.
Your buddy Ozell doesn't have any published research obtainable through a PubMed search. Newsflash: anyone can claim success in treating people; hard evidence as opposed to testimonials is what's needed to verify such claims (which are typical of cranks and quacks throughout history).
As for your blame-the-victim strategy when colloidal silver's damaging propensities show up, it's a perfect example of the No True Scotsman fallacy (or as you'd have it, "no true altie does it that way". More on that fallacy here:
The central issue remains: How hypcritical is it to fume about imaginary "toxins" in vaccines (which are highly effective in preventing disease), when you promote ineffective and unproven remedies containing real toxins?
Stop dodging the issues, DB. Here is what you are faced with:
When it comes to credibility in general, you cannot escape the fact that what you offer is the same tired old profit driven dung from the same folks who have a history of feeding us heaping bowls of it, selling us on the benefits while giving us death in the form of Vioxx, Bextra, Alleve, FenFen, and Tobacco. You represent the same folks who are still maintaining that Gardasil, Fosamax, Aspartame, and all your other precious vaccines and medicines are safe and that nature itself is unsafe and quackery.
When it comes to your lies and attacks on me, it comes to this: find me one person who took my advice or who took oleander and was harmed in any way. Just one. You can't do it and so just like your junior troll in training, resort to slurs and lies and cut and paste mainstream justifications.
From now on, you can consider my pointing out your masters and my challenge to your mistruths as part of my standard signature in any reply I make. Try as you might, you cannot avoid them.
I think you are just sore-arsed. Understandable given the reamings you are getting here, only to follow up by sticking your head in the same spot - but you have only yourself to blame. Instead of making it worse with nonsense rebuttals like you just made, perhaps you should take your head out and try a soothing sits-bath in some epsom salts.
If you keep this up and continue to hold to mainstream treatments, I fear that someday you will end up being de-capitated by laser hemorrhoid surgery.
What does this link have to do with anything? What does your post have to do with anything? It is you who simply, don't get it. Oh, excuse me, you don't want to get it. I am convinced that the issue at hand with regard to any debate is not even important to you. What is important to you is to discredit DQ at whatever cost. And let me say, you do it quite stupidly.
To have a conversation with you is a complete waste of time, because you just don't get it. No.... let me rephrase that..... You won't get it. And that is because you have your own Agenda. And that agenda is to do all in your power to discredit DQ. Nothing else. Even when DQ does point out something favorable with mainstream medicine, although I must say anything favorable with mainstream medicine is almost nonexistent, you even discredit that! How stupid. You are so transparent that the world can see it. You don't even know what you are talking about.
Bottom line, it is obvious to me and to everyone who reads your posts, except for a select few, ummmmm..... possibly a select one, that you are merely full of crap.
Oh, and as for that there wonder drug Anvirzel (hmmm, aren't you supposed to be anti-drug?), its makers have already gotten into hot water for making unjustifiable claims about their drug:
"An injectable Oleander extract with the trade name of Anvirzel was available, but it has not been approved for marketing by the FDA. In March 2000, the FDA warned the company that manufactured Anvirzel to immediately stop promoting the product as safe and effective, after it found misleading information on their Web site. The FDA noted that claims were being made based on very preliminary and inconclusive data. Such claims are not allowed until after a drug is fully tested and shown to be safe and effective."
The FDA warning was to the PREVIOUS makers of Anvirzel and the warning was no different than the FDA warnings against Washington cherry growers and Florida bitter melon tea makers. They were told not to post the truth because the FDA defines anything short of a billion dollar FDA trial process as inadequate.
That is because the FDA serves the same slimy masters you do, and they have admitted it.
"The FDA 'protects' the big drug companies and are subsequently rewarded, and using the government's police powers they attack those who threaten the big drug companies. People think that the FDA is protecting them.
It isn't.
What the FDA is doing and what the public thinks it is doing are as different as night and day."
Dr. Herbert Ley
Former U.S. FDA Commissioner
And just FYI, I am neither anti-drug nor anti-vaccine. I am anti any lab created concoction with dangerous side effects when nature has a better and safer answer. In the instance of Anvirzel, it is no more than a updated version of a thousands of years old remedy that comes from boiling, straining and condensing the leaves and stems of the oleander plant.
First of all, the maker of Anvirzel who got warned by the FDA for making unsubstantiated claims, is none other than "Ozelle Pharmaceuticals". Hmmm....wonder if that just possibly be the same Dr. Ozelle (doctor of what?) who you glowingly cite as having "cured" all those cancer patients. Someone at that company apparently just couldn't resist touting the product before the evidence was in.
And it still isn't in. Memorial Sloan-Kettering says that Oleander products should not be administered to anyone outside a clinical trial until more is known about its efficacy and toxicity. And speaking of toxicity, they say:
"Adverse Reactions
Reported (Anvirzel™): Nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, pruritus, pain at injection site, tumor pain, mastalgia, leukocytosis, tachycardia, and arrhythmias.
Common (Raw botanical): Consumption of one Nerium oleander leaf may be fatal. Onset of toxicity occurs several hours following consumption and includes vomiting, abdominal pain, cyanosis, hypotension, hypothermia, vertigo, respiratory paralysis, and death.
Symptoms of toxicity can occur at a serium oleandrin level between 1.0 and 2.0 ng/ml."
Tell us, who should we believe about your "oleander soup" - health care professionals who care for thousands of cancer patients annually using the latest and best documented methods, or Tony Isaacs who does lots of Google searches, sees conspiracies everywhere and sells supplements over the Internet?
There _are_ useful botanically-derived chemotherapy drugs out there (for instance, Taxol, vinblastine and vincristine). They were properly tested before introduction, so their toxicities are well-known (hint: they come from plants, but they're still powerful and potentially dangerous drugs). No responsible person promoted them beforehand as a crude soup, risking serious reactions from a non-standardized preparation, or tumor resistance because of low dosage - problems you're exposing patients to with your oleander promotion.
As for the quote from the former FDA commissioner - that one has been circulating around various alt websites for quite awhile. The problem is, no one seems to have a provable citation that Dr. Ley said any such thing. By various accounts, he said it in 1965 (when he wasn't with the FDA), or 1969, or 1970...before Congress, or not before Congress. Surely _you_ can prove to us that he said it, and just when and where. And I don't mean an online photocopy of some scrap of undocumented paper from an unknown source, like the other crapola you've linked to before.
This is typical of the type of the material that antivaxers and other altie fearmongers propagate all over the place. Dubious quotes that can't be traced, unsubstantiated allegations from unqualified cranks, studies about irrelevant topics and complete falsehoods. They figure that if they rant about the same stuff over and over, sheer repetition will make someone believe it.
People who think for themselves and consult reputable sources are harder to fool.
Ah, nameless little troll - you continue to wade in water way, way over your empty head.
You are a total waste of my time to debate further but I will correct you one final time here and then settle back to concentrating on productive work I have to do (but not to worry, I will be sure to stop in frequently to squash your worthless mainstream hype).
Ozelle Pharmaceuticals was formed by a group of investors and Dr Ozel's son. The FDA's warning letter has been addressed for what it was - suppression of the truth by use of the billion dollar FDA trial process not having been completed to be able to make any medical claims. It was not the what Ozelle had to say was untrue - only that they had not antied up the billion it takes to join the Big Pharm club that rules the FDA. After all, piglet, we have seen how effective the FDA trial process really is haven't we, Mr. Vioxx man? Aspartame anyone?
Ozelle pharmaceuticals is no longer the company that makes Anvirzel.
You ask a much better question than you realized. When it comes to me or Memorial Sloan Kettering on the subject of non-traditional and natural treatments you should absolutely believe me first - MSK is known as the most evil mainstream apologist hospital organization on the planet, one that will go to any lengths to suppress competition to the hundreds of millions of dollars they make off their needlessly dying cancer victims. These are the same people that hid their own test results on laetrile and fire Ralph Moss when he outted them - and they are not worth the saliva it would take to spit on them. Their own head of oncology has gone on record as saying that he has never seen or heard of a single case of cancer curd by non-traditional means. Anyone who will tell a lie that huge should rot in hell for eternity.
All of the adverse reactions you see reported for Anvirzel are absolutely correct - however, they are usually relatively mild when present at all, and there has never been a life-threatening reaction nor a death. Something NO other cancer drug and most FDA approved drugs can say, by the way.
The warnings for raw oleander are also absolutely correct. In regards to oleander extract they apply only to the handling of the raw plant. Properly prepared oleander extract, whether it be home remedy version, the patented Anvirzel, or the dietary supplement form which has been over 90% successful against cancer and 100% successful in reversing HIV, are all virtually identical.
How do you explain that success, troll man? How do you explain the success of the many members of my group, or all the thank you messages I have from people who are alive today after mainstream medicine failed them?
For your edification, Dr. Ley's famous quotation comes from the January 2, 1970 edition of the San Francisco Chronicle. From one of your own favorite sources here is the Wikipedia bio of the last FDA commissioner who actually stood up to the special interests of Big Pharma:
In 1958, he accepted a position as Professor of Bacteriology and Chairman of the Department of Bacteriology, Hygiene, and Preventive Medicine at George Washington University. In 1963, he was appointed Associate Professor of Epidemiology and Microbiology at the Harvard School of Public Health, and became chairman of the Department in 1964. In September 1966, Ley took a leave of absence from his position to become Medical Director at the Food and Drug Administration
On October 21, 1969, Abbott Laboratories reported that the artificial sweetener cyclamate (in a saccharin-cyclamate mixture) had caused liver tumors in rats. Cyclamates were removed from the list of Generally recognized as safe (GRAS) ingredients at Dr. Ley's direction on October 30, 1969.
Frustrated with the red tape and conflicts with pharmacutical companies, Ley resigned his position at FDA on December 11, 1969.
In the San Francisco Chronicle of January 2, 1970 he is quoted as saying "The thing that bugs me is that people think the FDA is protecting them. It isn't. What the FDA is doing and what the public thinks it's doing are as different as night and day.”
Once again, you hem and haw and quote mainstream BS which this forum has learned long ago to reject and you avoid the issues placed before you. Since you obviously are going to continue in this same vein (I bet that word makes your little vaxxer snout drool, doesn't it?), I will repeat yet again, and then leave you to wallow in the mud you sling:
Once again, DB, the task is quite simple: find me one person who took my advice or who took oleander and was harmed in any way. Just one. You can't do it and so just like your junior troll in training, resort to slurs and lies and cut and paste mainstream justifications.
Once again, DB, you have an insurmountable problem with this crowd who have determined to educate instead of medicate - what you offer is the same tired old profit driven dung from the same folks who have a history of feeding us heaping bowls of it, selling us on the benefits while giving us death in the form of Vioxx, Bextra, Alleve, FenFen, and Tobacco. You represent the same folks who are still maintaining that Gardasil, Fosamax, Aspartame, and all your other precious vaccines and medicines are safe and that nature itself is unsafe and quackery.
Here's the quote you claimed came from Herbert Ley (from your earlier post):
""The FDA 'protects' the big drug companies and are subsequently rewarded, and using the government's police powers they attack those who threaten the big drug companies. People think that the FDA is protecting them.
It isn't.
What the FDA is doing and what the public thinks it is doing are as different as night and day."
Now you claim _this_ is the quote:
""The thing that bugs me is that people think the FDA is protecting them. It isn't. What the FDA is doing and what the public thinks it's doing are as different as night and day.”
Quite a bit different, isn't it? No mention of "big drug companies" and "government's police powers". You could read the revised quote a number of ways - it could, for example be referring to the FDA not having enough power to crack down on phonies and quacks (a real problem facing us in current times). Of course, even with this quote all we have is a statement on Wikipedia that he supposedly said it nearly 40 years ago in an interview with the San Francisco Chronicle. I see no link to any Chronicle story or independent confirmation of the quote (one thing you need to learn is that Wikipedia is trustworthy only if its statements can be independently confirmed. Its "edits" are frequently performed by people with axes to grind - in this case, it's impossible to tell if the person who inserted the alleged quote is the same type of altie who's spread it all over the Internet, similarly without proper attribution).
Bottom line - there are multiple versions of the quote, alleging it came from various different sources at different times, and no way to know if it's accurate or what the context was. Very convenient for those pushing quack cures and useless supplements, as a way of attacking the FDA which they fear will crack down on their brand of consumer exploitation.
And that's really what you fear and hate about the FDA the most, isn't it? Limited as its enforcement powers are, you're worried that they're an impediment to your exploitation of the sick.
DQ: "Properly prepared Oleander extract, whether it be home remedy version, the patented Anvirzel, or the dietary supplement form which has been over 90% successful against cancer and 100% successful in reversing HIV, are all virtually identical."
If this were true the world would be beating a path to your door and you'd be a wealthy Nobel Prize winner, instead of a small-time supplement dealer trying to delude desperate people on an Internet forum.
No thanks, I'll put my trust in Memorial Sloan-Kettering. They actually help people - and have the documentation to prove it.
None of this has much to do with vaccines - except that you're so intent on inserting your phobias, Conspiracy theories, personal attacks and ignorance into what are supposed to be debates about vaccine safety and efficacy, you invite refutations on a personal basis.
Tell you what - if you can in future avoid baseless personal attacks on those who disagree with you, I'll in turn refrain from mentioning your history of promoting unproven, dangerous and useless remedies.
How you grasp at straws and semantics - I only used Wikipedia because it is one of your treasured sources. They chose to use only the abbreviated form of the quote. There are hundreds of others that give the full quote and it is attributed to the same San Francisco Chronicle edition in multiple instances.
Regardless, when you really get down to it the two versions say the exact same thing. If the people believe the FDA is protecting them and the opposite is true then who else is there to protect? Of course it is the drug makers buffoon! I know that simple logic escapes you, but look: There are only the takers and the makers and if the FDA is doing the opposite of protecting the takers then it must be protecting the makers.
What I have said about oleander is true, and demonstrably so. You can gladly have MSK. MSK, mainstream propaganda and the FDA can all kiss my arse! Beat a door to my path? What - you are trying for comedy now? You know damn well that the slimy medical world you serve is more likely to beat down doors to suppress such a cure than beat paths to door to embrace it - they have a history of doing so for over a century.
MY baseless attacks? I have said that you are a mainstream troll who either loves the abuse of no one listening to you or agreeing with you or else you are paid to take it, because you truly are totally ineffectual here. Do you have another explanation for your continued fruitless endeavors? What is your background DB? What is your experience beyond cutting and pasting and parroting? Your job, your education? What pray tell is your motivation? My life is a open book here and it is easy to see why I am here, regardless of your accusations. What we really want to know is why in the world you are here. because your presence, like your posts, make not a lick of sense here.
As far as the lying filth that you and Corinthian have posted about me causing death when just the opposite is true, there is no excuse other than the desparate acts of people without even a mimimum of decency. You ask for proof and I provide it in spades and even invite you to both of my forums to try to prove your own baseless allegations. And what is your response - you grasp at straws like the quote issue make baseless allegations and totally ignore the information that has been posted that you cannot refute. You don't deserve a break. Anyone who accuses me of being a liar is merely themselves a liar and so mildly pisses me off. Anyone who accuses me of being a killer is despicable and has invited hell to pay a visit. You made your bed of accusations and now you can lie in it. At least for as long as you are allowed to.
Once again, DB, the task is quite simple: find me one person who took my advice or who took oleander and was harmed in any way. Just one. You can't do it and so just like your junior troll in training, resort to slurs and lies and cut and paste mainstream justifications.
Once again, DB, you have an insurmountable problem with this crowd who have determined to educate instead of medicate - what you offer is the same tired old profit driven dung from the same folks who have a history of feeding us heaping bowls of it, selling us on the benefits while giving us death in the form of Vioxx, Bextra, Alleve, FenFen, and Tobacco. You represent the same folks who are still maintaining that Gardasil, Fosamax, Aspartame, and all your other precious vaccines and medicines are safe and that nature itself is unsafe and quackery.
Um...perceptions of your ability to quote accurately have just taken another hit.
I never accused you of being a "killer" or "causing death". What I did note is that you promote remedies that are toxic while simultaneously ranting about phantom "toxins" in vaccines, which would strike any reasonable person as bizarre and hypocritical.
It goes to credibility. Your stock of that commodity has plunged based on your recent posts. Well, based on your not-so-recent posts as well...but the latest ones in this forum have really been lulus (Tamiflu is a vaccine, etc.).
Try to do better.
Incidentally, another person taking advantage of alleged Herbert Ley quotes is prominent huckster, con artist and alternative potion pusher Kevin Trudeau . Trudeau was caught using an alleged quote from Herbert Ley in the endorsement section of one of his books. The only problem was they Ley died in 2001, before the book came out and never had a chance to read it.
Nice company you're keeping there, DQ. Of course you've got a long way to go if you want to be the next Kevin Trudeau. Your marketing skills need a ton of work. And you'd best cut back on the nuttiest parts of your Conspiracy tirades if you really want to rope in the suckers. They're not quite as dumb as you think. :)
It was not you I was referring to when I wrote about accusing me of causing deaths. There is one other here who reads my replies to you and who usually answers with name calling and slurs. With the death accusation he has reached a new level of despicability. As I have oft stated in my messages - one of your better attributes is that you have been for the most part civil. Wrong, ineffective, pigheaded, annoying . . . . but civil.
If you should ever get a chance to take a look at the Trudeau forum you would see that I have labelled him a huckster on numerous occasions. Which is not to say that he has not cobbled together some good information (and some questionable), but I think he would sell his own mother to make a buck. jmho
DQ
"If people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls who live under tyranny."
-- Thomas Jefferson
How typical of you to totally avoid the issue or challenge and resort to labelling and phantom charges that you know are lies and impossible to verify.
Sorry, but you cannot worm squirm out of this one mainstream mouthpiece man. I have invited you to come bring your lies and mainstream fecal matter to the Yahoo Oleander Soup forum. Surely there would be evidence there of someone joining and dying or at least someone being harmed. All you have to do is come ask the question: "Does anyone here know of anyone who has died as a result of Tony's advice, and if not, has anyone here been harmed by his advice?"
Once again, Corinithian, the task is simple: find me one person who took my advice or who took oleander and was harmed in any way. Just one. You can't do it and so just like your junior troll in training, resort to slurs and lies and cut and paste mainstream justifications.
Like DB and the others who have come here and failed, you have an insurmountable problem with this crowd who have determined to educate instead of medicate - what you offer is the same tired old profit driven dung from the same folks who have a history of feeding us heaping bowls of it, selling us on the benefits while giving us death in the form of Vioxx, Bextra, Alleve, FenFen, and Tobacco. You represent the same folks who are still maintaining that Gardasil, Fosamax, Aspartame, and all your other precious vaccines and medicines are safe and that nature itself is unsafe and quackery.
You must enjoy the beatings you get here. I can see no other explanation.
You are like a child who after losing the big game, goes home to his parents with tales of victory in the hopes that they won't check. There is not escaping that people with cancer following your advice, die. They stop visiting your site and your group and you can then claim they are now perfectly healthy. The dead have no way to respond to your lies, and the gullible assume you are not a liar.
We all know it will never be your advice. You'll blame the cancer, the family the doctors or even the patient for not seeking you out sooner. You are deluded with a savior complex, it's "big pharma's" fault people die not the fact that your soup is toxic and ineffective for cancer. With you quacks it is never your fault, It is always something else.
Your accusations of profit are hollow. You profit profit by scaremongering. You profit by your lies. You profit by advertizing here. You don't care that your advice is useless. And from a marketing perspective you can't even afford to look at the facts because the truth would force you to give up the money you steal from the nearly dead.
Don't you think that in four years of posts on my Yahoo oleander forum - 3229 posts in all - there would be some posts saying "your advice isn't working, my cancer is getting worse, the doctor says I am going to die, etc."? Or some members who would remember such posts?
You say "in the hopes they won't check", yet when I tell you to please do check you dodge and try to cloud the issue. You know, besides the Yahoo forum, I have my own forum here at CureZone:
Come visit THAT forum and post your accusations. It has 2,190 messages and 229,578 hits. Surely you could find someone there who has been harmed by my advice. I think that if you take a look at the forum and at the content there, it speaks for itself as far as what I am all about. Just like your own posts here at CureZone speak clearly about what you are all about.
Once again, Corinthian, the task is quite simple: find me one person who took my advice or who took oleander and was harmed in any way. Just one. You can't do it and so just like your junior troll in training, resort to slurs and lies and cut and paste mainstream justifications.
Once again, Corinthian, like DB and the others who have come here and failed, you have an insurmountable problem with this crowd who have determined to educate instead of medicate - what you offer is the same tired old profit driven dung from the same folks who have a history of feeding us heaping bowls of it, selling us on the benefits while giving us death in the form of Vioxx, Bextra, Alleve, FenFen, and Tobacco. You represent the same folks who are still maintaining that Gardasil, Fosamax, Aspartame, and all your other precious vaccines and medicines are safe and that nature itself is unsafe and quackery.
Dodge all you want and post unsubstantiated slurs and lies all you want (your accusations are pure filth and you know it) - I will keep reminding you and your junior assistant of your dodges and shortcomings in every post until YOU face the facts, much as that idea is abhorrent to mainstream apologists.
Corinthian, you are one of the most utterly atrious, pathetic, excuses for a human being that has ever had the gift of life bestowed on you. Truly, I hope you get the worst possible health afflictions so you can utilize all the true power of "modern medicine" to put you back on the path to health and wellness..... LOL What a total crock of shit! I hope you and all your pharmacuetical masters suffer in the furthest pits of hell for your crimes against humanity (willfully giving advice that can and WILL damage one's health should be a serious issue.. and following Corinthian (SupremeDouchebag) will do just that.
"Vaccines make it possible for people to avoid getting sick and thinking that they need to medicate themselves with your potions."
Immune systems are what really does the work. Your denial of natural health is not too surprising since you suck up to the establishment at every chance you can get. Then you make a comment about potions, as if your cult is not brewing them up as we speak.
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