I'm about to do a Liver Flush using the classic coke method. The recepe calls for 10oz. of magnesium citrate upon rising the following morning. I was wondering if it's possible to subsitute the 10oz of magnesium citrate with Epsom Salt drink.
If it's okay to substitue the magnesium citrate with epsom salt drink, how much of it do I use, water and amount of ES mixed in?
This is my first time doing a liver flush, so any help is much appreciated. I've been waiting to do this untill I finish removing the mercury from my teeth, but I've been experiencing problems with my liver manefested as high serum iron, yellow stools, and skin allergies that I have never experienced before. This lead me look into doing a quick liver flush in an attempt to relieve the symptoms instead of doing the cleanses in order.
Yes. If you are doing the cokeflush because of the OO/coke mixture, you can just follow Hulda Clark's method and replace the OO/grapefruit juice with the one from the coke flush.
I do 1 tbs Epsom Salts in 4 oz water, but it is more important to do 2 hours before the flush and again in the morning. Check her protocol at top of page under cleansing.
If you just want to do the ES in the morning do 1 tbs at 6 am and the 2nd one 2 hours later, make sure that you are near a bathroom (of course that is the same as citrate). Any of these products you can take for magnesium in small amounts, but the way we use it here it becomes a laxative.
I've wondered if the magnesium citrate relaxes the bile ducts as well as the Epsom Salts does, which is one of the main purposes of the ES, not just for it to be a laxative. (?) Just a wonder I've had.
Another "wonder", the Classic Coke flush I'd read the information for in the description here doesn't call for the phos drops like Dr. Sutter's coke flush does in apple cider 3 days prior to flushing, but I've wondered if the phos drops DO help open the bile ducts, or are they for softening the stones?
I do both, the phos drops/apple cider with the coke flush, but also with the epsom salts prior and after like the Hulda Clark flush. For me, the coke makes a huge difference in not being nauseous or getting sick. I don't have problems getting the epsom salts down, I just prefer to do both.
Andreas Moritz says the magnesium citrate also relaxes the ducts but Epsom Salts is the best, he suggests using the citrate if you are allergic to ES. Somewhere on the forum here is a post from Telman and if I remember right he did not think so.
The phos and malic acid (apple) soften stones.
In principle you can do the cokeflush with phos/malic acid just to soften stones, some people use other softeners. The main part of the flush is the oil/juice.
Personally I always use epsom salts, especially the 8 pm one since I know from an ultrasound I have a calcified stone, but over the years for the other times I have also used Oxypowder or magnesium citrate.
One person only used oxypowder and started it at 4 pm.
These are just experiments people have tried.
I always now put ginger (powder) in the OO and dandelion root extract, the first is for nausea and the 2nd to help to create bile.
It is may be good to read all the cleanses at top of page and learn from all of them. When I started out I tried several, btw they all worked.
My favorite flush is Dr.Kelley's. I like the afternoon ES and especially that I can have berries and cream at night.
Edit: I would like to give you my observation from several years here, that people often don't feel well because they stopped drinking water after 2 pm and got dehydrated.
So a lot of us have suggested, according to Andreas Moritz flush, to keep drinking enough water up till 20min before the ES and again 20 min after. The reaction has been that people felt it helped.
Just want to share with you that after my 5th flush I switched from ES ( did not like the taste) to magnesium citrate. I have done at least 20 flushes with Magnesium citrate and it works great for me. It's really a personal preference thing. My fiance joined in ( finally)and last night we both did flushes, very successfully, with magnesium citrate, and almond oil/grapefruit/lemon juice!
Initially, for most people it is the safest to follow a tried and true protocol ( ES, OO etc.). Later one can experiment and make adjustments. I have done my experimenting and have modified the protocol to make it work for me. I do my flushes now with Magnesium citrate, and I use Almond oil instead of Olive oil. Also, I sometimes sip water after the 2 p.m. cut off time.
Hanna with her variety of flushes and being creative and listening to her body as we all should........if it wasn't for hanna's insights, support, suggestions, I might have given up long ago!
Telman for giving us the biological and chemical facts.........I believe i learned from him that you can only take a bottle of mag/cit no sooner than once a week as i wanted to do one the day b4 the flush to clean out and another the morning after the oil but it turned out to be a no no and for very good reason (wish i could remember it now!! LOL) and many other things especially on oils that helped to guide my decision making.......
Andreas.........I usually follow his book as closely as I can......and it does give options......the options for epsoms (when one is allergic) are: Magnesium Citrate and Castor Oil. (and you know me, i use the capsule form of all oils and epsoms!)
So all of this being known as good to use and knowing our options.......
We must ultimately Listen to our bodies and do what is best for us!!! :) I believe in keeping it simple and being creative......going with what works for you...as long as it's safe.....when in doubt ASK...better out than in..........
YES, I am in full agreement that THE HC with the EPSOMS is by far the most thorough, strongest, deepest, cleanse/flush....... and I have done 30+ of them.
however, is it better to not do a flush at all for various reasons......
your head isn't in it.....you get sick on epsoms, vomit, dehydrate, puke the oil....the thought of doing a flush makes you want to die?? you are traveling on business, have to work the weekend? going on vacation? or doing a flush that works for you......keeping with the concept.....better out than in?? we might not always be able to do the PERFECT FLUSH or the Deepest Flush/Cleanse due to various reasons/circumstances in our busy lives....traveling on business...on vacation...time constraints, social events........but doing a flush that yields results is better than not doing anything at all IMHO and ultimately you are doing something positive for your health in the end :) getting toxins, stones out......
I've read about many people on this forum over the years.. that have only used the mag/cit flush (even this has various forms) and are able to do it more often as it is milder and have lowered their cholesterol, blood pressure, etc. on this forum I personally have used it on my mom who is 78....i started her out slowly on mag/citrate flush.....then after several we did the ES flush.....she had a very bad reaction to the HC flush and now she is back on mag/citrate flush....so better that than nothing at all :) believe me she had great results as well......no more pain in her back....left knee felt better, able to sleep through the night, more relaxed...cholesterol came down...blood pressure is now normal....off of blood pressure meds......breathing better.....etc.
my point is, we shouldn't get hung up on what is deemed best and put pressure on ourselves to do something that is impossible for our circumstances or our health or if we are allergic......and ultimately do what is best for us instead and your body, higher power will always guide you on this.....ASK and it is GIVEN :)
It's just good to know there is more than one way to do this, to keep an open mind, be creative and do what works best for YOU!!! Listen to your body....it will guide you.......YOU HAVE OPTIONS!!!
personally, i've always had trouble with the oil (vomitting).....but i was creative and at first added pop/soda to the oil, after experimenting with various types of oil even one that is flavored and tastes like orange pudding!! LOL called Coromega... and that helped for a long while.....then started to get sick again and used olive oil capsules......haven't gotten sick since.....you may need to switch back and forth as well, with different procedures at different times as your body may click off to something, become imbalanced.......signal it's time to change.....also, i encapulate the epsoms when using them and usually have a bowel movement within 40 minutes of taking the capsules.......but this is me.....
READ, READ, READ, Read Andreas Book (excellent guide!) Read the sensible health site, Read all the cleanses/flushes at the top of this page...HC, Mag/cit, CO, Dr. Kelley, ..... etc. http://www.askshelley.com/faq.php?p=default&cat=37#a12
and listen to your inner guidance......ask your higher power/self.....and you will know via intuition, instincts, your gut.....what is right for you.....listen to your body......ask people on the forums.....the ones that have been around awhile......they are all knowlegable and willing to share experiences......and PlzChuckle has developed methods of her own as well!! She has a great recipe' she invented that worked for her pain......luckily I've never had pain....but I've always used stone dissolvers and malic acid capsules the week b4 flushing...
my point being:
sometimes you'll feel like the full blown HC flush
sometimes you'll feel like a mag/citrate
sometimes you'll feel like dr. kelley
sometimes you'll do a castor oil cleanse
sometimes you'll do a COKE FLUSH---I've even changed this to use http://www.izze.com
instead of coke.
sometimes you'll try an egg/oil/TSETSE mild cleanse (sp??) LOL
sometimes you'll you'll take part of one flush and mix it with another...
sometimes you'll substitute castor oil for epsoms
sometimes you'll substitute mag/cit for epsoms--just not 2 days in a row...only the morning after the oil....
sometimes you'll substitute Oxypowder for epsoms.
sometimes you'll stick with epsoms and drink them down while other times you'll encapsulate them....
sometimes you'll drink the olive oil and other time use olive oil capusles or pop/http://www.izze.com to get it down and keep it there!! LOL
SOME WILL HAVE NO PROBLEMS WHATSOEVER AND DO THEIR FIRST CLEANSE AND STICK WITH IT UNTIL THE END!
WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT.......the root cause of my reason to self heal might not be the same as yours! My hubby's is his gallbladder while mine is my liver.........
my hubby had stopped doing full blown HC flushes after doing about 9...his body just shut off to them mainly due to his crazy work schedule..had to work 7 days for several months and did heavy traveling for his job.........now I showed him the mag/cit flush.......he takes 30 olive oil capsules b4 bedtime and drinks a bottle of mag/cit upon rising....now i can't stop him from doing them....he looks forward to them....and although he only has a few bowel movements in the morning......they are loaded with stones and he is happy he is getting stuff out.......he even is able to do them when he is traveling on biz and takes a Bowel Cleanse or 11 epsom capsules the following evening b4 bed to ensure it's all out. Much simpler for him and works with his busy schedule!!
so what would be better......for him to give up totally due to his crazy work schedule that at times he also works weekends and travels because he can't fit in a HC flush and give up all together.......or to do the mag/cit flush???
just remember never to do a flush if you are constipated...
make sure you're bowels are up and running.....
drink lot's of pure water like hanna said...
when in doubt email someone that's been around awhile
but better yet, READ, READ, READ and LISTEN TO YOUR BODY!!!
YOU ARE THE ULTIMATE ARBITER