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  • New Verification Protocol-MMS authenticity by Jim Humble   R by  r4000  5 year  2,445  MMS Support
    On April 10th,in a personal e-mail Jim Humble gave me permission to post this new empirical verifiable protocol:

    "A bottle of MMS(one of the green 4 once bottles that actually contains 5.5 onces of MMS because MMS is heavier than water)should weigh exactly 183 grams.One gram more or less(plus or minus) would be acceptable."

    "you see ,because of the weight,no other chemical weighs exactly that amount at the correct mixture.You can't fake it,unless you were to put a small amount of lead or other metal in the bottom of the bottle.Do you see? It must weigh 183 grams.
    That,of course, includes the cap and the label,but does not include any shrink wrap that might be on the bottle."

    "Or an alternate method of testing would be to weigh 100mL.One hundred ml must weigh 122 grams.Otherwise it is something else."

    "Any other chemical that weighed exactly that weight would probably kill you.So if you get a bottle that weighs exactly 183 grams,and you take 10 drops,and add 50 drops of citric acid,and put a lid on it,and wait 3 minutes,and smell it,and you get a smell of chlorine when there was no smell of chlorine to begin with.You absolutely have the correct mixture,and it MUST be MMS."

    By Jim Humble


    So anyone out there that has doubts about a seller of MMS Global Light,Subtle Energy in Canada etc..do post your results here..

    Notes 1-these must be the green bottles with the same cap and label as per Humble's recommendations..
    2-It that is a problem then check the 100mL

    Humble told me that this is what people should be doing-checking up on the sellers of MMS..

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    • Re: New Verification Protocol-MMS authenticity by Jim Humble by  alive76  5 year  1,482
      Does it matter what size bottle it comes in?

      What I mean is, if you were to prepare/mix your own MMS at home in your kitchen from sodium chlorite, would it render the MMS useless if not stored in those kind of bottles of that exact size? That can't be right, huh?

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    • Re: New Verification Protocol-MMS authenticity by Jim Humble  R by  SilverFox  5 year  1,894
      Hello R4000,

      This is good to know, but one other variable needs to be considered.

      I have observed that my bottles are not all filled to the same level. I believe there should be a little headroom to allow for expansion during shipping, but there appears to be some variation in that headroom. When my bottles were shipped, there was no leakage. Full bottles may have had some leakage during shipping.

      My bottles, from GlobalLight, range from 177 - 183 g, with an average of 179.9 g and a standard deviation of 1.55 g.

      In each case, lower weights corresponded to less liquid in the bottle.

      I took five of my lowest weight bottles (177 g, 178 g, 178 g, 178 g, and 179 g) and measured 100 ml from each one. In each case, the 100 ml weighed 122 g.

      In light of the variations in bottling, and the need for some headroom in the bottle for shipping, I would be happy if a bottle weighed 180 g with a plus or minus of 2 g.

      Better yet, the alternative method of weighing 100 ml is more precise.

      Of course, keep in mind that this observation is based on a limited sample. I only checked 20 bottles, and I am sure they only represent one batch.

      Tom

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      • Re: New Verification Protocol-MMS authenticity by Jim Humble by  r4000  5 year  1,457
        I guess Global Light do not have the instrumentation to exactly fill in each bottles like they do for the food industry,pharmaceutical or even those selling herbal extracts,etc.. which kind of makes one wonder..

        I will pass on your concern to Jim Humble as to what he has to say..

        One interesting thread is the one about pH and the effectiveness of the MMS purchased from that seller..

        Now if the concentration of MMS is less than 28% and compensated by the other by -products in it or water,humm no mathematician here but it would appear to be complicated to arrive at 100mL=122 grams

        Another factor is the lack of quality control per batches as Global light does mot make it for I think they get it in liquid format and then transfer it to smaller bottles ?!

        See
        http://www.sodiumchlorite.ca
        So it must depend from whom Global Light and others are buying their sodium chlorite from..

        Note-for Conspiracy buffs- the FDA,etc could have demanded that the manufacturers of sodium chlorite dilute the 28% solution let us say down to 20% if they want to continue selling it to the public hence the rumors of it not working as described etc.

        FDA is in habit of just doing that-they let the bogus products on the market after closing down the faciliteis that did sell the product with results..

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        • Re: New Verification Protocol-ADDITIONAL infos for MMS authenticity by J... by  r4000  5 year  1,490
          On April 11th I received additional infos in regards to some questions RAISED in this thread (READ the previous messages)

          1-"So this proves that Global Light's mixture is EXACT.It can't be faked.The fact that the bottles were not filled to the exact top is something that happens throughout the industry."

          [re in regards to different weight of the bottles but only the liquid when it was weighed ,100mL= 122 grams]

          2-[ rep H levels of MMS] "any pH OVER 12 is OK.If the weigh was 122 grams for 100mL it couldn't possibly read a pH of 11.7(Global Light) or a pH of 10.7(Subtle Energy).
          The pH meter is DEFECTIVE.

          3-[a person found MMS from Global Light weak and friends that got bottles given by him from Subtle energy- no reactions ?]

          "Sorry guys,chemistry is chemistry.And it it weighs right it cannot be wrong UNLESS someone got a bottle and put some lead on the bottom and then put liquid in it up to the top and removed the lead a little at a time until the bottle weighed the correct
          weigh."
          "But is there is no lead or other weights on the bottom[of the bottle],you simply cannot get any other solution to weight the correct amount."

          "The pH will not vary if the weight is right "

          Notes:1-Thus one has to be careful..And a pH meter(A good one) is a good option,just to make sure..

          2-Also do look up the new thread-Warning-Baking soda..Also be aware of the consequences of taking ACV-apple cider vinegar as well

          See
          http://www.earthclinic.com
          the folk remedy archive were some remedies can affect one's health..

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          • Re: New Verification Protocol-ADDITIONAL infos for MMS authenticity by J... by  jfh  5 year  1,405
            You said:
            2-[ rep H levels of MMS] "any pH OVER 12 is OK.If the weigh was 122 grams for 100mL it couldn't possibly read a pH of 11.7(Global Light) or a pH of 10.7(Subtle Energy).
            The pH meter is DEFECTIVE.


            I say:
            Huh? Does the pH change as the bottle is being used? How can the weight of some liquid change the pH? Am I reading your statement incorrectly? I do that periodically - misunderstand things.

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            • Re: New Verification Protocol-ADDITIONAL infos for MMS authenticity by J... by  SilverFox  5 year  1,412
              Hello Jfh,

              I read that a little differently...

              If your solution is sodium chlorite, and 100 ml of it weights 122 g, then the PH will be 13.

              If your solution has the correct weight for 100 ml, and your PH meter is reading 11.7, then your meter is out of calibration.

              Does that help?

              Tom

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              • Yes. Thanks. by  jfh  5 year  1,335
                But I don't think amount should effect pH. Even if it is one ounce, the pH should still be 13.

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                • Re: Yes. Thanks. by  SilverFox  5 year  1,443
                  Hello Jfh,

                  You are correct. You don't need a certain weight to measure the PH. Also, the PH of 1 g of solution will be the same as the PH of 100 g of solution.

                  However, the weight of 100 ml of solution will vary according to the strength of sodium chlorite.

                  For example, 100 ml will weigh:

                  102 g for a 3% solution
                  104 g for a 5% solution
                  122 g for a 22% solution, which is what MMS actually is.

                  So, we are actually looking at two different things.

                  One is taking a measurement of what the PH of the solution is. And the other is checking the weight of 100 ml of solution.

                  They are loosely, but not directly related.

                  Another example:

                  I checked my MMS solution and found that 100 ml weights 122 g, AND the solution has a PH of 13

                  I also checked a 5% Stabilized Chlorine Dioxide solution and found that 100 ml weights 104 g, AND it has a PH of 11.

                  So, if your PH meter is accurate, and you are getting a PH of 11 from a sample of MMS solution, I believe Jim Humble is saying that he is pretty confident that 100 ml of that solution will not weigh 122 g.

                  On the other hand, if 100 ml of your sample solution weights 122 g, then your meter is out of calibration.

                  I hope you see that weight does not effect your ability to take a PH measurement, but does have an effect on the concentration of the sodium chlorite.

                  Now, does that help clear the water, or did I just muddy it up more... [smile icon]

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