Some people believe magnesium oil is the way to go or Epsom Salt baths as these methods bypass the very hostle digestive system. I suppose that there are a whole array of vitamins and minarals that don't get absorbed right. Even with Iodine suppliement one must experiement to find the right combo. For instance since beginning my iodine suppliement my thyroid level has shot up from .67 to 1.69.
Even with taking Flush niacin and eating one to 2 banannas a day for over 2 years
my triglycerides have remained high. I am taking 5 ius of vitamin D a day and
I'll let you all know in a couple of months if that remedies my situation.
Good health to ya!
t2t
Here is what one lady wrote, who used Mag. oil for the first time:
CONSTIPATION
1 YEA
[YEA] 12/18/2007: Fauna from Lynnwood, WA writes: "I love love love, what magnesium has done for me. I was constipated for the last 30 years of my life. I was in a lot of discomfort and even excluded myself from social gatherings because of gas and bloating. Once a week was the norm most times less. I feel like I have wasted a lot of my life because of this problem. I added magnesium to my diet because of a problem I am having with my teeth, and what do you know, regular, like clockwork bowel movements. I have also added oatmeal to my diet, but by using the magnesium regularly, I feel so much better. Those who rely on laxatives are really missing the boat on this one, and should strongly rethink how they treat their bodies. Even though I should be laxative dependent, I never stooped to that way of life, but I know that a lot of women rely on laxatives to produce bowel movements. I feel freed by this information and only wish I had had it 30 years earlier."
Here is what a man from http://www.herballure.com
wrote he had a similar experience as me
with magnesium taurate. He mentions a more absorbable form of zinc as the one he had been taking wasn't working. He also quotes a site at eternal health regarding methionine.:
magnesium taurate, WOW
joey joe joe jr
Graduate Member
Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 141 I know taurine is a sulphur amino and many people here believe that they should avoid it. However, I recently ordered magnesium taurate, a compound of magnesium and taurine, and have only been taking it for two days, but have already noticed a total reduction in depression! I seriously haven't felt this good ever I don't think! Anxiety is also decreasing, I feel much more relaxed with myself and things going on around me, its a great feeling since I have never had it before! It seems to be helping my histamine issues a lot as well, seeings magnesium is a natural antihistamine, and another thing I noticed is that I slept probably the best i have in years last night! All this from one day of taking it! Imagine what a long period will do. My concentration is also sooo much better. I'm feeling good in general.
Doesn't seem to stir up mercury, but may for some. I only take it because I am fairly certain my levels are right down. I think a lot of people don't realize that the supplements they are taking are not being absorbed properly. I've taken so many different kinds of mag sups and zinc sups but now that I am taking the most absorbable kinds of magnesium and zinc, I feel great! And the added effect of taurine to your health both mentally and physically is such a bonus..
#10582 - 08/23/06 02:45 AM Re: magnesium taurate, WOW
joey joe joe jr
Graduate Member
Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 141 yea my magnesium is 125 mg too, i take up to 800mg a day, and the brand is cardiovascular research. Its awesome stuff, i feel great today! THe zinc I take is metagenics liquid zinc, awesome stuff, i got a relief in so many zinc deficiency symptoms in the first week of taking it, of which I never got from taking other zinc tablets. Don't get me wrong I still have other problems, but I think taking these good quality zinc and mag sups I may be on a much better road to recovery, at least thats what it feels like!
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#10583 - 08/23/06 03:02 AM Re: magnesium taurate, WOW
joey joe joe jr
Graduate Member
Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 141 another thing i wanted to say, which i have learnt through all this healing process, is that if you feel that chelating and treating for mercury toxicity is not giving you fairly good results in a fair period of a several months chances are that you probably have another underlying health issue like I found out about myself. After I found out about candida i started treating myself for that, then I found out about mercury toxicity and started treating for that. Then I noticed really weird mental symptoms while chelating for mercury and discovered that copper my be a problem for me too so I treated myself for that. After I brought my copper levels down I really noticed that my health was on the up and up.
Then after I was satisfaied my copper levels were down I still had other annoying symptoms, some of which were making my life very difficult. So I went to see a naturopath, researched google etc, and found that even tho I was taking zinc supplements i still was zinc deficient. The same with magnesium, of which i have only recently discovered. Its amazing tho, ever since starting the liquid zinc, other aspects of my health regime have fell into place and symptoms have began to dissapear. I've also determined other hidden health issues I definately suffer, including histadelia, and pyrlorria or how ever its spelled, which is a chronic defiency of zinc and b6. The histadelia is an overload of histamine in the body which cause a wide array of symptoms physical and mental. Its funny i always new antihistamines made me feel good...
#10586 - 08/23/06 09:13 PM Re: magnesium taurate, WOW
joey joe joe jr
Graduate Member
Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 141 yea antihistamine definely work for a short period, but they can make you real drowsy and give u that "drunk" feeling. I couldn't believe how much better I felt when Itook one recently, it gave me such a relief from depression and skin issues, also irritated eyes and so on. But you should only use them in emergencies I think. Also if you find that histamine is a problem for you it is very important to follow diet recommendations until you histamine levels go down.
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#10587 - 08/24/06 06:13 AM Re: magnesium taurate, WOW
joey joe joe jr
Graduate Member
Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 141 just a little update again because I think this is a significant milestone. Just took a fairly small amount of methionine (500mg) with other nutrients to help methylation process including calcium, zinc, b6 and magnesium, and discovered something amazing. My mind feels as though it is becoming normal again! my thoughts are quicker, my brain feels like it is processing things quicker, depression feels like it is not there, anxiety greatly reduced, great reduction in anxious, negetive and unatural thought patterns. Mind feels clearer, less brain fog. My eyes seem to be working better, not as sensitive to light. It feels like a dark storm over my entire body is finally clearing up! Many of the positive effects are probably due to the fact that my body is finally converting methionine into SAM-e using the nutrients that I was deficient in but am taking now, or at least taking good quality ones,especially the magnesium taurate!
I seriously think others on this forum who have not already done so should look into the whole methylation process and the symptoms involved when it is not working properly. Heavy metals like mercury very greatly damage this process also, so a lot of us are at risk for histamine imbalance and low levels of methylation. Check out this website:
Im sorry to hear about your condition, but glad you are seeing results in magnesium and other therapies.
I too suffer with pyroluria and I have low histamine - ie histopenia. Not that these means much to me, despite reading about the pfieffer treatment and various other methods. I have tested for so many things and researched so many things but some things don't add up for me. I take zinc for 3 months and start getting more and more fatigued and depressed. I come off the zinc and I start regaining my strength. I also test low for zinc. Ironic huh?
I've just done some tests recently - a thyroid profile and Ive sent off for a 24 hr adrenal saliva test. Hopefully it will bring back some answers. Already it looks as though my thyroid is under active due to low body temperature and Iodine patch test and hair mineral analysis indicating this. The bizarre thing is that i'm thin and have very low body fat percentage. Its annoying, because the typical hypothyroid person is overweight and id give anything to put a bit of fat on.
I wish I could gain my strength back though, im so fatigued and my diet is excellent in terms of protein to carb to fat ratio and plenty of easy to digest raw vegetables. Ive done many parasite cleansing diets so I doubt its that.
hi inspiraller,
My main problem is high triglycerides. I have tried flush niacin, potassium, as well as numerous other herbs and minerals for over a year and then 1500 mg of flush free niacin for several months to no avail.
Zocor has gotten my total chorlestoral down as low as 156 but the tri's still
remain high. the good HDL will not go above 28. I am now trying 5000 iu of
vit. D which is reported to lower tri's and raise HDL. I will report back to this board my results in a couple of months on it.
Hi Newport,
1500 mg a day of the inositol hexaphosphate is exactly the non flush I have been taking and it has not lowered my triglycerides nor has anything else.
I have heard that other people have great results with it.
Vit. D or D3 may be the answer for me.
I remember about 7 months before I had my 2nd heart attack the doctor
put me on Lexapro for depression. Not only did it do away with my depression
but it gave me more energy! It was incredible. I felt so clear headed. Go fiqure.
I was working tremendous hours and only getting 3 to 4 hours of sleep a night.
Then came the 2nd heart attack and after having a stent installed the Lexapro
had no effect on me. I stopped taking it over 4 years ago. Today Iodine and magnesium taurate have dramatically changed the way I feel. But I am not 100% yet.
Each person is different and different doses may be needed at different times in their lives IMO opinion.
Hi Newport,
thanks for your input.
I still need to try the Liver Flush thing that you, HoW, and others speak of.
I think I have some deeper issues and as i said, I have heard others rave about
niacin and or non flush type.
i have heard others talk of several liver flushes changed their life too.
Perhaps magnesium taurate affects me so strongly because the high dose of taurine is
what my permeantly scarred heart cries for.
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Perhaps magnesium taurate affects me so strongly because the high dose of taurine is
what my permeantly scarred heart cries for
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Sounds like a bile issue to me, maybe look at this:http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1242033#i
The other is large doses of Magnesium Malate to dissolve the stones, this btw works better for me than LFs. It has to do with the amount of small stones vs large ones I believe.
This is interesting about your triglycerides.
I did some tests and got mixed results of triglycerides over the years.
3 years ago on a comprehensive digestive stool analysis it showed very high triglycerides
2 years ago on a liver function blood test it showed triglycerides were in range
1.5 years ago on a liver function blood test it showed triglycerides were higher than the recommended range.
I was just reading Dr Len Lopez book - To burn or not to burn fat - and he says patients he has treated with high triglycerides are usually suffering from an insulin problem and have too many carbs in their diet and by reducing the carbs and increasing protein it can go down. Its a good book for explaining and emphasising the point of all the causes and potential reasons for chronic fatigue and weight gain, but its a terrible reference book as it doesn't have an index.
yes I have read that a low carb diet could help.
my doctor always says that blood wok on me suggests
that I have prediabties but an A1C always a little over 5
discounts that. I do need to lose at least 50 lbs.
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I take zinc for 3 months and start getting more and more fatigued and depressed. I come off the zinc and I start regaining my strength. I also test low for zinc. Ironic huh?
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From: Lyme disease: A Look Beyond Antibiotics
In Neuroborreliosis; Do not give zinc without copper in Lyme!
thanks. I've heard you mention magnesium malate before. I have in the past taken massive doses of malic acid at 2g, 3 times a day. I have never taken a combined supplement of magnesium with it, but the supplements I see like biocare only have something like 100mg magnesium to 750mg of malic acid. Surely the malic acid I was taken in the past is more effective for removing stones and this small combined dose of magnesium and and malic acid?
The problem with Malic Acid is that it is too reactive for most people to take daily, also I do not know if Malic Acid chelates Aluminum like Mag Malate does.
Certainly taking Mag Malate daily is a LOT easier on your gut.
I do have pure Malic Acid in my cupboard, it is much more effective during gallstone attacks then using Mag Malate. But I don't want to take it every day which is really what ssems to be required to melt the tiny stones coming out of the liver...from a different angle: http://aor.ca/int/related_research/magnesium_malate_renew.php
If I were taking malic acid and magnesium seperately, what doses do you think might realistically effective for stones. Ie 200mg magnesium with 2000mg malic acid with a pint of water 3 times a day for minimum of a month?
I googled "Zinc causes depression" and found your post. I have this same issue. I found out when I was diagnosed with Low T. Doctor wanted me to take testosterone but I at first opted not to and decided to try the supplement ZMA. I noticed a significant change in my moods. Fatigue, angry, depressed, anxious, social anxiety, wanting to just isolate myself from the outside world. Several days after I stopped taking it I went back to my normal self. I have also found out because of this reason I can not even take a multi-vitamin. I spoke with a nutritionist who was baffled by this fact. I was beginning to question my theory about zinc. Glad I found this post and I plan to research more on this topic.
I have never been diagnosed with pyroluria but now may get tested. If you get anymore information please let me know.
Thanks again for the post.
Many Lyme patients suffer from Pyrroluria, a metabolic illness where
abnormal porphyrins carry out significant amounts of needed zinc and
vitamin B6. Diagnosis is made with the appropriate test at the Pfeiffer
institute in Chicago. Even though it is assumed that this illness is hereditary
I have my doubts, since most Lyme sufferers have a degree of it. I suspect
that the appearance of kryptopyrroles in the urine is induced by the illness.
However, I am careful with excessive substitution of zinc. Zinc has a
synergistic effect with mercury in the brain and also promotes the growth of
the herpes viruses.
My Notes on Borrelia afzelii: disorder affecting the metabolic uptake of zinc
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