I have noticed that some are saying that they rather this be more strictly fasting related topics and posts.
I am sorry if I ever come across "to emotional" but I enjoy the support we have here, I mean this IS a support forum.
There is a lot more to water fasting than just the daily issues and progress we have, it has a lot to do with your emotional state in my opinion, I will say if it was NOT for this forum, I could have easily gave up some time ago. I surely would have never contemplated doing any fast longer than 10 days.
If I am bothering anyone by my posts of good cheer and well wishes, just let me know. I will find another forum to "chat" on.
I like reading your posts they are inspirational. I don't know about adding lots of rules to this forum.
I'd like to know more specifically what the rules people have in mind are? I think a FAQ is great, but rules? I mean there is common sense, like if your doing a MC fast it would make more sense to post in that forum, but as long as it's water fasting should be fine. I like to look at posts from ways ago and I've gotten a lot of questions answered that way.
Girl continue to write as u have. This is about expressing ur experience which involves emotion. This is a place to express ur progression and what ur experiencing and for everybody to feed off each other. Having an emotional aspect is not the problem. Pushing ur views on others is. We r here to support and find suggest take what u want from the forum
I very much enjoy your posts, they are not what I would consider too emotional. Your posts are very uplifting and positive, and even if you were to have a bad day as we all do, like you said this is a support forum, a water fasting support forum.
The poster I was referring too in another thread which I won't name has very bad problems that could be better supported in another forum, I was just agreeing with what Chiron said.
You have done great with your fast, I wish you nothing but the best.
I think if you are referring to earlier posts about the help for new posters, I think it is a great idea for us to have a place where one can read everything one needs to know before starting the fast.
I do not think we are told not to post for support. There should be no rules for that except that anyone who wants to be nasty etc. should be not allowed.
I think this forum rocks, I feel we are a community that is geared to just help each other without any personal gain, and that is irreplaceable.
Do not hold back, post all you have to. We all learn from each other and we all learn different thing from one single post.
"""I am sorry if I ever come across "to emotional""""
I know the feeling.
Someone mentions something in a negative way and we wonder if it is "me" that the reference is to.
All the decisions recently about how we should behave here can cause us to introvert.
I've been looking back to see if I'm one of the ones that have been "pushing my views".
A few more polite complaints or rule suggestions and we'll all feel like were walking on eggshells around here.
This could be an example of an "emotional" post that was mentioned.
I admit that I do not read the very long posts that I feel are better suited to a personal blog.
It seems there's some confusion over the fact that a Facebook water fasting group was started, but, people all over are looking for health solutions so by having our cherry, non-withered faces over there, we can hopefully introduce the concept to others and direct them to CZ.
To me, I think a lot of this started over the appendicitis postings. To have someone actively coming here at least once a day and documenting their adventures in water fasting to treat appendicitis, only for us to find out at the every end they weren't even sure that's what they had has raised some warning flags. (anyone else noticed that person isn't posting any longer?)
We are a community and for various reasons have found water fasting to be a good match for our lifestyles. However, not everyone is 100% truthful about what has brought them to this forum so here we are offering suggestions based upon whatever information is provided. Due to that, I completely understand the need for a disclaimer and a FAQ.
I am just wondering where on earth this discussion is going?
Lets just examine the facts and the implications as to what could have happened to dj master p.
She had undertaken a very long fast with the "idea" that she had appendicitis, and where this was self-diagnosed; she also started this water fast from the position of being underweight at the outset. This is a dangerous combination, and where I was very concerned for her welfare.
As far as I am aware, no one intended to bully her away from the forum, only to make her aware of what she was involved with, and the potential adverse repercussions for her health.
Mouseclicks idea of a facebook forum for water fasting is a laudable one, as this would attract more people to the benefits of water fasting, and where these people would be directed to the main forum here on curezone.
The "control" of the facebook forum is a red-herring and irrelevant to our main purpose here, as anyone can post queries at facebook and where this would be encouraged by both mouseclick and Raine13. Control is just not an issue; we should be thinking of this as a way and means of promoting water fasting, and I for one totally agree to its principle.
In addition, jaymz emailed me personally as to the idea of creating "guidelines" for both newcomers and established members, and to query whether I would be willing to write one, and which I think is a very good idea, as most "newbie" questions have to be repeated time and again, and which can eventually become very tiresome. I only agreed to write this if the consensus of the forum agreed to it, as I would not wish to impose myself on other members, but this would be a very broad-based set of principles and guidelines which would be subject to scrutiny and editing by everyone before its final submission. This would also have to be endorsed and approved by the moderator as well.
We should not be thinking and discussing the "politics" of this, but more about the altruistic effects this could have on creating new members to their profound health benefit.
Yep, agree. Lots of forums have a "sticky" thread at the top, marked "please read this before posting". One like that here would be good, if the board software allows it.
I think people have been unduly scared by the word "guidelines", as if it suggests the police, or something. And there is plenty of room for whatever poeple feel is important to them, as concerns water fasting. If someone's not interested in a particular poster's posts, or writing style, it's simple enough to let others respond.
The central issue to me is, I think a good FAQ is really important. And it can include links to all the favorite books. I don't read Chris as sounding as though he's intending to impose anything on anyone, but good wishes and good information. I also feel that sometimes posters would be doing a service to very new people to suggest they read this FAQ and view it as necessary preparation--and see if it doesn't answer a ton of questions that get asked again and again.
I don't think anyone here has disagreed with the FAQs suggestion. It's the attempted regulation about who can post here and what can or cannot be said. People should be free to type what they want. It's up to the moderators of curezone to determine what is appropriate, not a handful of members who feel they know what is best.
Loosie,
I do not think for one moment that posts are to be regulated about what and who can post here, after all that is a job for the moderators, as with any other forum here at curezone.
People/members are indeed free to post what they wish (within reason) as this should be a democratic forum, and where the main subject matter may digress into other related subjects such as emotional issues with eating and so on. This is a support forum after all, and where I think it would be undemocratic for us not to accept related fasting subject matter in the interests of everyone.
I was also not aware that a handful of members were about to dictate the content of this forum, and where I believe this has been misunderstood. Only moderators have that privilege.
I know Chris - it's not you that has posted objections to certain people posting here. It's a few others over the past week who have told a couple of posters here what they can or cannot talk about. And then Raine13 mentioned that she wants to direct people to Facebook because they have control over what people can post there.
As I understand it Loosie the idea behind the facebook water fasting forum was to do some "recruiting" for the WFSF here at curezone, rather than a breakaway group who would wish to have control over members who joined post set-up.
I was also not aware that Raine13 wanted to direct people to the facebook forum if indeed this is the case, but under the impression that this was to be the other way around.
If what you say is true, then I shall decline to become involved.
Chris, as the person who created the group I can assure you, and everyone here, that there is no intention by Raine13 to set up a breakaway group, or direct people to Facebook or "control" the postings there. This was my idea, Raine merely offered to help in any way she could, and I am very grateful to her for that. Thus I made her an admin. She helped me develop the group announcement message by pointing out improvements, namely that I should add "spiritual" as a reason, and point out that I have actually kept the weight off, 2 useful points that I missed in my original text. I am very grateful for Raine's input. And as you know, the group points everyone directly to this forum here as the website for advice.
How will the Facebook group benefit this forum? Well quite simply Facebook has 100 million active users http://www.new.facebook.com/press/info.php?statistics=
- and the more people that join the water fasting group, the more the Curezone link will be clicked.
I have about 40 friends that can now see my before and after pictures, and that I am a member of the water fasting group. If one of my friends joins the group, then all of their friends will see that they are a member, and so on. Maybe one day a celebrity figure will join, who knows. The more the merrier. Welshkaz has joined, so all her friends and future wedding guests can see her intentions. Very brave, good on you Karen. They will all be asking at the wedding how you did it, then coming here themselves or telling their friends. It's just a numbers game.
Regarding a breakaway group, it would be impossible for any breakaway group to function effectively on Facebook for several reasons: it has no privacy, no links to any health documents or resources, and it is banned from practically every workplace, because people like spending so much time there.
I suspect the people who are worried about Facebook are the ones who do not use it or have never seen it. Hopefully this post might shed some light on it.
This was my own initial impression as to why you created the FB Water fasting forum.
I also think there have been some misleading posts here concerning its creation and some members just got hold of the wrong end of the stick. A case of "careless whispers" or rather "Chinese whispers" perhaps.
If the intention of the FB Forum is as intended (and I have no reason to doubt that it will not be) this should benefit this very forum enormously.
So what on earth is all the fuss about from some members?
"Loosie,
I do not think for one moment that posts are to be regulated about what and who can post here, after all that is a job for the moderators, as with any other forum here at curezone.
People/members are indeed free to post what they wish (within reason) as this should be a democratic forum, and where the main subject matter may digress into other related subjects such as emotional issues with eating and so on. This is a support forum after all, and where I think it would be undemocratic for us not to accept related fasting subject matter in the interests of everyone.
I was also not aware that a handful of members were about to dictate the content of this forum, and where I believe this has been misunderstood. Only moderators have that privilege.
Regards
Chrisb1."
Chris.....Personally, I can only think of 1 post that I am aware of that was "moderated" here on CZ and that was the first one Mouseclick made announcing the Facebook group. I don't know what the base application CZ is using for their discussion forums or if it's possible to place a Sticky post at the top. I know many discussion forums are using http://www.VBulletin.com
and that is a robust application that allows Sticky posts.
The CZ forum, to my regret, does not appear to allow for resources like posting links, video clips, etc. Those are some of the features to which "we" as a collective whole that are members of the FB group can "control". And by control, that means it gives all of us the option to post items which could be readily available to new fasters for their research and consideration.
"The CZ forum, to my regret, does not appear to allow for resources like posting links, video clips, etc. Those are some of the features to which "we" as a collective whole that are members of the FB group can "control". And by control, that means it gives all of us the option to post items which could be readily available to new fasters for their research and consideration."
Finally, this is the answer I was after, it would have been so simple for you to answer, why wait until after all the confrontation? Never mind I don't need to know the answer to that. I just want to say thank you Raine for finally answering the question.
I want you to be clear on the fact that I did not bring up the question of "control" to introduce a "red herring" into the discussion that Jaymz brought up.
If you will read all of the links below you will see why this became what you called a "red herring", if she would have answered the question truthfully the first time I asked it that would have been the end of the matter, doesn't make one bit of difference to me, I just wanted to understand what she meant by control. I wouldn't have responded again, but instead she got all huffy and put me down in her posts and still did not answer the question, she told me to ask Mouseclick, well Mouseclick didn't make the statement she did.
I'm not one for confrontation Chris, just want to make that clear, her replies just rubbed me the wrong way and I couldn't let it go.
Loosie and InCharge answered my question, and if they could why wouldn't she?
I have nothing but respect for you and all you have taught me through your posts. Just wanted to make sure you knew I took part in causing the "red herring" in all innocence. If the question would have been answered the first time that would have been the end of it and it wouldn't have developed into a "red herring" at all.
I hope this puts the matter to rest. I just had to explain this to you Chris.
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