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ANTIDEPRESSANTS KILL PARASITES & Calcium Chanel Blockers to stop scattering.

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  • ANTIDEPRESSANTS KILL PARASITES & Calcium Chanel Blockers to stop scatter... by  10selection10  5 year  4,288  Parasites: Drugs
    The following show promise for treatment of parasitic infections:
    * Lithium orotate
    * SSRI antidepressants! (Celexa, Lexapro, Zoloft, etc.)
    * MAOI's (Nardil)
    * Tricyclic antidepressants (imipramine, amoxapine, etc.)
    * Antipsychotics (Zyprexa)
    Which raises the question as to whether depression is just a symptom of an underlying infection.... and it is a definite sign that all psychiatric disorders that respond to the medication could be because of the medications anti-parasitic effects first and foremost.

    *** "Antidepressants can destroy the organisms of various parasitic diseases, inhibit the growth of the intestinal parasite giardia lamblia, and have antimalarial properties. Antidepressants enhance susceptibility to chloroquine in resistant malaria, and can destroy such parasites as those of sleeping sickness. Antidepressants are lethal to disease causing fungi, remit recurrent vaginal candida, have antibacterial activity, and synergize antibiotics against several bacteria. Evidence to date shows that lithium has antiviral and antibacterial properties, while antidepressants have antiviral, antibacterial, antiparasitic, and fungicidal properties. While laboratory studies show that lithium and antidepressants have direct antimicrobial properties, their actions on the brain would seem to be responsible for their immune stimulating properties."


    http://medheadlines.com/2008/04/25/stimulating-immune-function-with-lithium-and-antidepressants/


    I have had the bad experience of feelings parasites scattering to my brain. I did some research however and read that calcium plays a huge factor in this, so in order to completely eliminate the symptoms I have successfully been using medications and supplements that I feel immobilize the parasites. Ones that I have found very useful based on experimentation:
    * Gabapentin (Neurontin)
    * Magnesium
    * Beta-blockers such as propranolol and pindolol
    * Benzodiazapenes (Diazepam, Clonazepam, Alprozolam)

    *** "Apicomplexan parasites rely on calcium-mediated signaling for a variety of vital functions including protein secretion, motility, cell invasion, and differentiation. These functions are controlled by a variety of specialized systems for uptake and release of calcium, which acts as a second messenger, and on the functions of calcium-dependent proteins."

    *** "Propranolol along with a number of other membrane-acting drugs have been investigated for possible effects on P. falciparum and so the treatment of malaria. "

    Search "parasites calcium" or "malaria calcium" or etc. on google.com or pubmed.com if you would like to research the role Calcium has on parasites.

    Drugs to stop the symptoms of scattering should only be used as a temporary fix until the parasites are eliminated. I feel they are an important addition however in order to prevent symptoms from becoming overwhelmingly debilitating. Magnesium and Lithium orotate can safely be used indefinitely though. Gapapentin too is a very safe drug with a very low side effect profile.

    "Impaired immune function has been demonstrated in depressives, and antidepressants are known to stimulate immune function. While lithium is effective against some bacteria and viruses, evidence for its effectiveness against parasites and fungi is lacking. Antidepressants, on the other hand, are effective against various bacteria, viruses, parasites and fungi. As lithium and antidepressants have immunopotentiating as well as antimicrobial properties, they stand to be effective against a gamut of microbes. The response of infection to lithium and antidepressants mirrors the treatment of depression in which subjects respond to tricyclic antidepressants, specific serotonin reuptake inhibitors, monoamine oxidase inhibitors or lithium. An infection should not be labeled refractory to antidepressants until many, if not all have been tried. Many studies with antidepressants are biased by the generalization that “antidepressants” lack a specific property when the study involved only one. Antidepressants are highly specific and humans remarkably variable."

    http://medheadlines.com/2008/04/25/stimulating-immune-function-with-lithium-and-antidepressants/

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    • Re: ANTIDEPRESSANTS KILL PARASITES & Calcium Chanel Blockers to stop sca... by  #106151  5 year  4,750
      Hey 10selection,

      I am no authority. I appreciate having this forum where folks bring forward things that have worked for them. I am amazed at what I have recently experienced.

      I respectfully do not agree 100% with your post. A basic premise here is that parasites need an immunocompromised environment in order to get a foot hold. Chemicals basically pollute your body. When we look at using chemicals/drugs to solve the parasite problem, it is with a targeted specific short term goal in mind. For most of the anti-helmintic drugs, the method of action is well known. Anti-helmintics are admitedly by most in this forum a necessary evil for some situations. It seems most here are at least hopeful herbal remedies will be the long term solution.

      Psychiatric drugs encompass a very hot and controversial subject. If you look at the posts below discussing the FDA and Conspiracy theories, you are walking into the lions den of controversy with that subject. I suppose if they make you "feel" good, then possibly your body might work better. I find it difficult to respond without sounding like I might be offending you. My opinion is those drugs cause a lot more problems than they help. I have found very little "science" in terms of the action of the drugs in the body and how they work. There are mostly only theories about why they work. Many I know that get on them, are then basically hooked for life.

      If you want a conspiracy theory, look at the drug evolution on Psychiatric drugs. A new drug is marketed and released as a magic cure all for the failures of the one that the patent is about to expire. That it happens over and over again through the decades - that is probably the biggest conspiracy of all. I don't think historic trends show that those drugs are working.

      That is my opinion - and I respect yours.

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    • Re: ANTIDEPRESSANTS KILL PARASITES & Calcium Chanel Blockers to stop sca... by  peggyaus  5 year  3,797
      Yeah the problem with those drugs is that they relax the colon too much and if you are already slow with elimination you can get a faecal build up which can cause other problems. I suppose short term use may be ok. Do you have any links? Shroom has talked about this before.

      Oh and also those drugs really do fry the brains and many are full of flouride.

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    • Re: ANTIDEPRESSANTS KILL PARASITES & Calcium Chanel Blockers to stop sca... by  shroom  5 year  3,677
      This is advanced stuff, 1010. Are you involved in medical research circles to know about this?
      I have been directed down this course, but could only do experimental treatment with anti psychotic meds, which never agreed with me, and only worked to temporarily initiate anti parasitic leukocytes [I have this on video for proof]. The affect was short-lived.
      The drugs which do work extremely well, are the benzos, but I am refused RX for these.
      I believe, if I had a combination of benzo, anti-protozoan, and clindamycin, my infection[s] would be in remission.

      I am studying immunology as a base right now, but when I move to endocrinology and cell signaling I will have a better understanding of the how and why this works so well.
      The drugs also conjugate with parasite\microbe receptors, especially protozoa. I believe the GABBA receptors of many microbes are the key to impeding crucial mechanisms of cell homeostasis, and communication with environment.
      So, do you have medical background? Sorry don't mean to pry.

      I was crucified for talking about this course of action in the past. I think we're safe, now that the forum accommodates this type of thinking. shroom

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      • Re: ANTIDEPRESSANTS KILL PARASITES & Calcium Chanel Blockers to stop sca... by  #91249  5 year  3,639
        I had some diazepine recently and it caused a full scale die-off of my symptoms im not sure if that was because my liver isnt coping.

        i used to abuse benzos abit and my puffy face would go away etc.

        Ive known for ages that anti-depressants can kill these bugs good to find some info at last. Serotonin is anti-fungal after all but that it can kill parasites is even better.

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      • Re: ANTIDEPRESSANTS KILL PARASITES & Calcium Chanel Blockers to stop sca... by  10selection10  5 year  3,775
        Sorry to dissapoint, but I have no medical background, just a lot of endless research, personal experience, and experimentation.

        You definitely will not be killing any parasites with GABAgenic drugs but you certainly will prevent the parasites from scattering around and causing symptoms by pretty much immobilizing them. You will need to indefinitely continue to take the drugs to keep them at bay however. I certainly do think a benzodiazapene and a calcium channel blocker are musts in combination with anti-parasitic medications though, and would definitely prove to be very effective at completely eliminating an infection as well as preventing possible seizures or other neurological symptoms that may arise from killing parasites that have moved to the brain.

        As far as getting a scriipt for a benzodiazapene... it shouldn't be too difficult if you tell the doctor you will only be taking it as needed (PRN) for an ongoing panic or anxiety disorder, and that you have taken it in the past. If you are persistent you probably shouldn't have a problem. Doctors hand out psychiatric medications like candy, purely based on symptom reports from patients. I have personally been able to get a lot of alprozolam, clonazepam, and diazepam... and have stacked up on it if I need it in the future. I save it for only the worst die-off symptoms... but I definitely plan on taking 2.5mg of diazepam daily + gabapentin in combination with my anti-parasitic medications I am waiting for in the mail.

        Some nootropics that have effects on the GABA receptors in the brain show promise if you are unable to get a script. Phenibut (over the counter) acts on the GABA-a receptors, and is a prescription medication in Russia that is also being researched for possible uses in epilepsy. Picamilon shows promise as well. I am actually waiting for an order of picamilon in the mail right now and I'll see how it compares in relation to the benzos.

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    • Re: ANTIDEPRESSANTS KILL PARASITES & Calcium Chanel Blockers to stop sca... by  vicki1254  5 year  3,622
      My husband was taking alprazolam, gabapentin, and an antidepressant when we caught giardia. These medications didn't help him overcome it. He had it worse than me and lost thirty pounds. It took albendazole to get over the parasite.

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    • Re: ANTIDEPRESSANTS KILL PARASITES & Calcium Chanel Blockers to stop sca... by  chocolat_1_2_3  27 mon  3,395
      Thats funny, because when I stopped taking the AD's for a day, the next I felt scattering in my thigh which did not happen before and trying to push higher towards my stomach. I will go back on them and see. I didn't notice any scatterin like this on the meds.

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