Is it dangerous to mix 15 drops of 28% sodium chlorite to tee spoon of X (X being 1 part of citric acid and 9 parts of water) and then wait 3 minutes and orally ingest the substitute mixed with water. Now.. I would just simply want to know IF it is dangerous and IF it is dangerous WHY it is dangerous. I DONT want to know why you THINK it is dangerous.. I want to know how you KNOW it is dangerous. Sorry for sounding rude but I just want to be strict with my enquiry.
Oh yea, I also noticed some comments indicating that Jim Humble is a money making scammer. Is this just joking or really the truth?
Thanks for the clever reply but I must say this was not the answer for the questions I did open this thread in the first place.
On the other hand.. if you ment to say that this pulp bleach is dangerous which is presumably building up, could you be so kind to explain to unknowing, how is this substance dangerous to a human? (for example How it reacts in a body or how the body reacts to it?)
Another question came into my mind: Is it dangerous to use this substance as a mouth wash?
Just asking.
I'm not going to debate you, because whether its dangerous or not is not my concern.
Many people drink it because of how it was and is marketed.
None of the so-called 'documented' cases of 'cures' in Africa have been proven.
Other than a random post or two here and elsewhere from people who refuse to get medically tested to prove their claims, there havent been any cases of 'cures' anywhere.
Biosafe and Tom(silverfox) have scientifically proven that mms is bogus.
Drink a gallon of it, I really dont care if its dangerous or not(although that probably wouldnt be a good idea)
It doesnt do what Humble claims it does. It never did. He's changed his protocol and method of mixing it numerous times.
I think its a scam, which ties into the second part of your original inquiry.
Is the biosafe study somewhere so I could read it?
I also would be happy to hear what silverfox has to say about my questions.
I am curious.. if the MMS has never cured anything or anyone, why do you think there is some people speaking for it?
In my understading it is the chlorine dioxide which builds up in the reaction of MMS and acid, and the chlorine dioxide is the substance which kills bacteria and viruses. I spoke with a doctor who confirmed the fact that chlorine dioxide was used in hospitals for disinfectant agent at least some time ago (in the 80's). The doctor also mentioned that it was good whitening agent for hospital clothing. I also have understanding that sodium chlorite is used as water purifying agent in Germany and Italy from where one would assume it to be safe for humans.
My conclusions:
If it has been used as a disinfectant in hospitals (it probably really kills bacteria and viruses).
And if it has been used as a water purifying agent (it SHOULD be safe?)
Here are two interesting images about clinical trials in Malawi.
Im not claiming anything. If I have misunderstood something please correct me.
What nobby is saying is, since Jim Humble has misrepresented the bottle of sodium chlorite solution as something it's not (ie a miracle and a mineral) then he is a scammer, also he may have exaggerated it's benefits and understated it's potential harm at least initially and overpriced it to fund his supposed work in africa etc(not necessarily bad if he does such work)
Is it dangerous to use, yes if you use it carelessly but I highly doubt 15 drops could cause anyone lasting harm in any way but taking it 3 times a day for a long period could do so and that would depend on who was taking it
On the other hand there are better and safer alternatives for a lot of things some people use it for, so why many people use it at all is likely due to it's promotion as a harmless natural miracle supplement which it isnt. On the other hand Iodine is and would be a better choice since it seems to able to accomplish much of what MMS claims to and more
Also, it needs to be said that chlorine dioxide is a known toxin, and the mechanism in the body is not known. It is known that while it kills pathogens, it also destroys collagen, which is present in your blood vessels, joints and skin. Humble claims to have run tests, none of which he will publish. He claims to have cured people in Africa in a clinic, none of them can be found, and nobody has heard of him in the clinic that he claimed to have done this. On an alternative forum, you will find many people claiming cures, so it is difficult to find the truth of treatments. Placebo effect takes place in 40% of the cases. What we do know is that it is used for bleaching wood pulp, it is used to clean swimming pools, it is not safe for ingestion. The herx effect that people claim is not a herx effect, it is the result of poisoning. A true herx effect has flu like symtoms, not immediate nausea and vomiting. Studies would need to be done to determine long term effects such as liver, thyroid and spleen damage. Since it is transported in red blood cells, spleen damage is probable.
As far a Humble making money, we do know that he has set up at least 6 not for profit organizations to collect money so that he can go to Africa to test MMS. He has not done so yet. He collects at least a dollar a bottle for each bottle sold. He claims that he sells at least 10,000 bottles a month. That plus the money that he collects from his NFP organizations comes to quite a bit of money, and nobody is accountable for that money.
He claims that it gets rid of AIDS in a few hours, and yet the people on the support forum that are HIV positive are still HIV positive. I have only hear of one "claim" of a cure. The rest claim that they are "better". So you can do what you want with the info, it's up to you. But if you have a disease, I would suggest that you look elsewhere for a cure. You may end up with your disease plus long term damage from this toxin. Good luck.
I thought that was addressed to me then Catlin.
We've been through all that. Your saying things that there is no evidence for again
In fact theres some evidence to the contrary.
Are you saying its transported in blood cells now? as far as I know theres no evidence for that either and damage to the spleen? where did that come from?
AIDs and HIV are not the same, I don't remember what he said about AIDS but I doubt he said it gets rid of HIV
Let's try to stick to reality, I'm not supporting Humbles claims either y'now except to say that it helped me.
Not only that it is also used in most pesticides and does damage red blood cells. It's Humbles primary means of support. His books are all FICTION (UNTRUE). But many people want to believe in a miracle cure which just doesn't exist. As you've mentioned, it has NEVER been tested for anything to even know if it is safe in humans or animals. I think it's a real risk to a person or an animals health.
Yes, the destruction of collagen seems logical when vitamin-c protects collagen and vitamin-c as an antioxidant neutralizes chlorine dioxide which is oxidant.
This placebo effect on 40% of the cases sounds incredible high, can you tell me where is it from? Then the placebo "medicin" should be used more.
If this chlorine dioxide officially kills pathogens why should it not do the same thing in the body? Or do you suggest that it should not be used only because it can harm the body? I agree that there should be long time investigations on this matter.
What about the herx effect/nausea, if someone starts to ingest with couple of drops/day and gradually has increased the dosage to 2x30 drops/day and has no symptoms at all. Can the body build somekind of tolerance for it? Humble says its because there is no more pathogens in the body. What do you think?
btw. Humble mentioned that when treating AIDS patients with MMS the thing was injecting the MMS straight in the vains, not orally. And that would be much more effective. Humble said that it was African doctor who first tested mms on AIDS patients.
Do you know where I can find the research about mms not having any effects by Biosafe and Tom(silverfox)?
I think catlin means it destroys collagen directly which theres no evidence for at least at the doses used also the body has a lot of antioxidant protection not just vitamin c, but if you take any oxidant to excess then these will be depleted so it's a question of what your antioxidant status is and what dose you use. The body also can increase antioxidant production in response to chlorine dioxide which has been shown in animal testing.
There are no double blind trials done and it's just a guess at placebo which varies immensely and can work both ways
I got benefit without any nausea or bad reaction but I used a lower dose(15 drops 1 time a day max)but over a month but I did get some mild herx type symptoms.
I believe it does cause a herx but too much also causes direct digestive upset so it's hard to separate the two except that the herx symptoms improve. I think the two together is what causes the bad nausea and diarrhea some experience.
Both Tom(Silverfox) and Biosafe have posted a lot here if you search their posts
Theres more about some other methods than ingesting on Cancertutor.com
What you continually refer to as the herx is a toxic poisoning that is created in the body using MMS. You may have just stayed under the level of poisoning yourself but, what will the future bring you? As you know there have been no studies for treating any condition with MMS. We are all aware that Humble has hidden in Mexico now for years to avoid the authorities. They will find him in time.
The future would have brought me bad things for sure if I'd stayed on corticosteroids or immunosuppressants or had a colectomy. There are no future effects but beneficial ones from what I did, of that I'm sure
It appears that in the short term people can tolerate that amount of sodium chlorite ingestion...
I think the better question is if it is a wise thing to do...
I believe the MMS protocol is flawed. The initial premise was that a 1 PPM free ClO2 solution could relieve the symptoms of someone suffering from malaria. It is plausable that this could be possible, but we have no proof that it does help.
Jim Humble claims to have had 100% success helping people with malaria with this strength of ClO2 solution. The he decided to alter the activation and as a result the current MMS protocol produces solutions with a great deal higher ClO2 concentrations.
The references you posted are from Jim Humbles book and people who followed up on them were told that they had never heard of Jim Humble, that malaria was a real problem, and that they would love to have the ability to help people with malaria.
Jim Humble claims to be in the process of running clinical trials, but I can't seem to get him to share his original test results, and have less optimism with him sharing his current clinical trial results.
Chlorine dioxide is used, with excellent results, as a disinfectant on none porous surfaces. As a gas, it was effective in disinfecting offices from anthrax. It is very effective in water disinfecting. Externally, there are hundreds of uses for chlorine dioxide solutions. Internally, it has been reviewed at lower concentrations, but nothing has been studied at higher concentrations.
The major problem is that Jim Humble is using lab results from chlorine dioxide technologies to justify his protocol that actually involves acidified sodium chlorite technology. While both involve chlorine dioxide, they are very different technologies.
Unfortunately, while we do have some data on how chlorine dioxide technology works inside the body, there is basically nothing involving tests with acidified sodium chlorite technologies.
There have also been a number of studies involving chlorine dioxide technology in disinfecting water. In this application, the amounts of chlorine dioxide are carefully regulated, and are nowhere near what is produced from a 15 drop dose activated using the MMS protocol. Once again, these tests and clinical trials all involve chlorine dioxide and not acidified sodium chlorite.
After running thousands of tests on this stuff, I have come to the conclusion that if you are suffering from malaria, you may find some relief from taking a couple of 15 drop doses of MMS mixed according to the MMS protocol. However, I feel that using it for an extended amount of time will bring you to the point of suffering from oxidative stress.
As a mouthwash, sodium chlorite (unactivated) in around 1000 PPM available chlorine dioxide does an excellent job of eliminating various mouth problems. However, using the MMS protocol to mix up a solution to use as a mouthwash has a good probability of putting the enamel of your teeth in the position of being damaged. You can Google various teeth whiting products to see the results of various concentrations of sodium chlorite and chlorine dioxide in these products.
If you are interested in cleaning out everything in your GI tract, following the MMS protocol seems to be able to accomplish that. However, if you are interested in preserving your health, you may be forced to look elsewhere.
I have seen positive results in using acidified sodium chlorite technology in working with a person with high lead levels in their body. This protocol is much lower than the MMS protocol, and results are not instant, however, over the long run the lead levels are being reduced.
The MMS protocol results in a solution with around 600 PPM ClO2. I am working with a solutions in the 1 - 3 PPM chlorine dioxide concentration ranges. The major problem is that no one has any data on how acidified sodium chlorite solutions work, or react, inside the body.
I have had the occasion to discuss chlorine dioxide with many medical professionals. They simply don't know what to expect from chlorine dioxide or acidified sodium chlorite solutions inside the body. While there are very vigorous debates on the possibilities, we are left with the fact that there is no information on what happens inside the body.
Externally, chlorine dioxide is a great disinfectant and killer of germs. As a mouthwash, it has been proven to reduce mouth odor and improve dental hygiene. Beyond that, it is a great unknown.
In general, it may be plausible that you may find some relief from some ailments taking MMS internally. However, I feel that if you don't see immediate results, you should move on and avoid the oxidative stress that MMS produces in your body. The external use of chlorine dioxide is well documented, and is a wonderful use of this product. Taking it internally may best be done by mixing 1.5 ml of MMS with 250 ml of water and using that solution as a mouthwash.
However this product is only 5% sodium chlorite and it is recommended to use 15 drops for every litre of water and they recommend drinking 3-4 litres water/day so it would be 60 drops for 4 litres/day. 60 drops 5% sodium chlorite would be equal to 10,7 drops of 28% sodium chlorite (MMS). Of course not acidified. This company also claims that there are dramatic weight loss and better health but they also recommend practising healthy food diet (mainly alkalising and raw foods). Although this product is way more expensive than MMS (1 oz 5% sodium chlorite costs 30$). They claim that the effect of this product is alkalising the body and removing the acids from the body. They also sell other products too. They sell these products at least in 33 countries and I bet they make much more profit than Jim Humble :) but I think they dont have claims for curing diseases.
In my country I talked with the marketer of this product and he said that this professional diver (freediver without the oxygen) had significant improvement in her
breath holding ability when she started to use this product.
You might already know about these, just wanted to point out. What do you think about drinking 4 litres/day mixed with 60 drops of 5% sodium chlorite without acidifying agent?
Sodium chlorite has many uses. As you have discovered, it comes in various concentrations. 5% solutions (and lower) have no hazardous classifications with regard to shipping, but once you get above that, things change. They also have far less hazards while handling.
Jim Humble started off using a 3% solution ("stabilized oxygen") and gives his conversion formula in his book. He claims he was unable to get the lower concentrations to work properly, but seems to be unwilling to share his test results or reasons why. Experts in the industrial use of sodium chlorite disagree with this, and the only difference I have been able to discover is that you use more of a lower concentration solution to match the results obtained from a higher concentration solution.
Since I find it much easier to measure and use a 5% solution, and also since there are far fewer hazards associated with handling it, I simply dilute MMS to a 5% solution. When my supply of MMS is used up, I will limit my purchase to 5% solutions of sodium chlorite. I believe it is available in 6 gallon buckets at a decent price from industrial suppliers. Since there is no hazardous classification for this strength product, there should be little difficulty in finding it locally.
The cost of sodium chlorite solutions is very interesting... I believe it only costs a dollar or two to make a liter of the various solutions, so there seems to be a healthy mark up on these products. However, one must keep in mind that the cost of raw materials is only part of the cost of selling a product...
If you add 0.75 ml (15 drops) of 5% sodium chlorite to 1 liter of water, you end up with about 22 PPM available chlorine dioxide. If you can find anything scientific on the use of chlorine dioxide for health effects, you can get an idea of the concentrations used during the clinical trials and see how this matches up to those results.
Unfortunately, I am having a very difficult time finding any clinical results following this type of application, so it appears that the claims made have no basis in science...
I should also point out that your stomach contains acids that will activate the sodium chlorite. When you activate it outside of the body, you have better control on how much of the available ClO2 is released as free ClO2, but when it is activated in the stomach all of the available ClO2 is released. This is one of the reasons you have to be very careful when playing with these chemicals.
I am glad your friend is able to hold her breath longer during dives. However, since ClO2 is a respiratory irritant and destroys lung tissue, I am not convinced that her results are from the ingestion of a sodium chlorite product...
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