I don't know if you know CureZone.com's dirty little secret but not only is anti-antisemitism allowed but many of CZ's main contributors do not believe that Israel even has a right to exist. Others in CureZone claim that those in power in Israel are not "real Jews" but instead descend from the Khazars, supposedly a Turkish, non-semitic race. Those who hold this view even include forum owners of CureZone. Most of the Anti-Semites in CureZone would not claim to be such even if they claim that Israel does not have a right to exist. Imagine if there were an Alternative Health Site where most of the contributors called for the destruction of the North American nation of the United States and denied its right to exist because Native Americans were the true Americans.
Americans have killed or maimed millions of Muslims in the middle east and yet the extreme far right wing views of the Alternative Health Educators in CureZone are not only accepted, they have a whole debate side of CureZone where many of the forum owners constantly post arguments that support views that White Supremacists, White Nativists, and Anti-Immigration Eugenics believers believe.
I believe most anti-semitism in CureZone is a type of Aryan mythology created by the whole alternative health industry. Many of the White Nativists in CureZone are loosely aligned with the Libertarian White Nationalist beliefs of the far right followers of Alex Jones and Ron Paul. They claim to be part of the "Truth Movement" that supports a civil war to take over the government to set up Libertarian ideologies with a return to the Constitution and limited government. The dark and barely hidden agenda of their movement is their desire to remove millions of illegal immigrants from the United States, much like like the Germans wanted to and ultimately eliminated Jews from their nation pre WWII and Israel is doing by its pogroms to isolate Palestinians in Gaza. What is okay for German NAZIS during WWII and American White Nativists for "ILLegals" in the United States is not okay for Israel because it is those evil "Zionist Khazarian Jews" that are doing the slaughtering in Gaza.
Over the years, I have been greatly disappointed that many who come to CureZone seeking health advice end up being seduced into the dark side of CureZone. We end up with people who are learning to cure their bodies while their soul and mind are constantly attacked by the so called healers of CureZone who foist fear of Jews, Blacks, and Hispanics on everyone with their White Nationalist world-view.
Thank you for posting your concerns. For a while, the debate side of CureZone was at another Website called CureZone.org . The health side was much less frequented by open racists. I hope some day it returns to the health focused site it was with the White Supremacists having their own debate website. Be careful if you want to come to CureZone for health advice. The healers here may have one hand out to help you with health advice but they may also have the other hand pummeled into a fist of racism hidden behind their backs.
Over the years, I have been greatly disappointed that those who come to CureZone seeking health advice end up being seduced into the dark side of CureZone. We end up with people who are learning to cure their bodies while their soul and mind are constantly attacked by the so called healers of CureZone who foist fear of Jews, Blacks, Hispanics on anyone not believing in their White Nationalist world-view.
Thank you for posting your concerns. For a while, the debate side of CureZone was at another Website called CureZone.org . The health side was much less frequented by open racists. I hope some day it returns to the health focused site it was with the White Supremacists having their own debate website. Be careful if you want to come to CureZone for health advice. The healers may have one hand out to help you but they may also have the other hand pummeled into a fist of racism hidden behind their backs.
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I must retract my earlier post and agree with you. (except for anti sematic) That is a worn out term in my opinion. Stick to facts not name calling...
I believe that the truth for cures are at least 1/2 mental and possible 100%.... Though few walk the path to heal spiritually...
Paranoia - fear - doubt - anger - ARE spiritual dis-ease which over time manifest in physical dis-ease
Having sources that promote this "spirit" should be as limited as possible if one wants to improve health.
Example - one comes to be healed and learns how to do it but at the same time he/she learns or hears things which create sustained levels of paranoia or fear or doubt or anger - this CAN cancel all the "cures" and even aggravate the problems - increase the dis-ease.... even onto physical death.
So I must encourage a little more separation from the cures and the other stuff. Or at least put disclaimers to the effect that - spiritual is 1/2 the battle everywhere and how important it is to deal with this as well as to work on the "cures" physically....
As for those who are helping here with information on improving health - I would caution you as you post things which may cause "spiritual dis-ease of the very people who you are trying to help.
Bottom line - sick folks need strong bodies BEFORE they try to take on the BS and LIES the government or what ever is pumping out....
I can testify that this occured to me - but I wanted it. I loved the consparicy. BUT is was a spiritual cancer to me. Was bery hard for me to say BB to the Consparicy BB, though I still peek in from time to time :)
Just like with what I know I should be eating but my taste buds scream for the poision foods... It is a battle daily...
But C'mon boys and girls the Webmaster knows his forum owners, they know the TOS, and frankly while he will always respond that he needs the link
This is the microscopic view of a larger issue- it is the posters and the posters of the past who did finally make his own forum, he still frequents this one
So here is the irony, and God does have a sense of humor- warped maybe or perhaps PERFECT!
A health site who does not to push product
A health site that has really unhealthy and spatting heirarchy
A health site that allows destruction
So while alternative methods are explored,
A little Irony
A littel humor
Your real beliefs are
demonstrated by your actions
and your inactions
The people who created and the people who regularly visit Curezone are only about truth. If truth bothers you, then maybe you should go somewhere else. There are many aspects to truth. The truth of the Isreali's is different than the truth of the Palestinians. The truth of the Palestinians is different that the truth of the rest of the Arab world. It is only when all truths are embraced is there any resemblance to REAL TRUTH. Is not the Palestinians or the Arabs truth equally as important as the Isreali's truth? Or do you consider all others outside of Isreal animals that deserve death? That is the problem. Compassion for others is lacking greatly. Wasn't it a crime when the Nazi's considered the Jews animals? Well, it is equally a crime when the Isreali's consider the Palestinians animals. No difference.
There are people posting their views on different forums about the conflict in gaza. I am sure there are some people that would prefer to not know what these people think about that issue when they are going to a forum to get advice about a particular health issue. You don't even have to read the thread, just the title to know the jist of the message. Knowing that a person has a totally different view from yours on such contenuous issue could make some people think twice on the validity of their health advice.
Why not just create a forum for the israeli/palestinian conflict and just move the threads out of the forums to the new forum?
It looks like people either don't bother to look for what forums are already in existence, or they would just rather polute the support forums. At any rate, the only ones who can move posts from the forums that have an owner are the owners themselves. It's up to them what they allow or get involved into in the first place.
As Muslims we are seeking a peaceful end to the war thru financial sanctions. This was a piece from the newspaper not something I have written. If you want to pick on me then why not post of the tons of threads I have written about forgiving Israel and not being revengeful towards innocent people. I find that with the hundreds of post on people disliking the gov't you choose this one piece of a peaceful protest. We are not using guns, or bombs or white phosphorus or depleted uranium we are using money as leverage and it does work. As with the campfire marshmallows. We boycott them and they changed to fish gelatin until of pork gelatin and yes we were successful.
Instead of posting the entire thread you picked on one piece. Why not post the piece on forgiving Israel and being a witness to the nation. Should I take those off the forums also?
There are hundreds of articles everyday about this organized religion or that gov't with illegal raids of innocent people and I feel that enough is enough. Freedom of speech exercises the right to just that. This is from a newspaper clipping as many who wrote good and bad about the war.
The reason we do not go to Debate Forums as many who hate Muslims hang out there waiting to attack and I recently lost a very good friend debating the war in Gaza so for me this was a peaceful avenue. People care about children being mamed and butchered, people care about the less fortunate. I am in Jordan where hundreds are being hospitalized from the aftermath of the Gaza bombings from the depleted uranium, tons of dead fish on the beaches. We are told not to drink the water, not to eat the fish and to be extremely careful of all foods so as simple, humble individuals we do what we know best and that is to show that we are united as one and hold faith and no matter what Israel does, they cannot defeat us.
I have deleted the above thread so not to incite a further problem. I did nothing wrong by posting this no more than someone did in posting about a rapist attacking a child. But to pease the mases, the post is deleted. But deleting one post will not silence the internet or will it silence the mass media. Our boycott continues and it will be successful.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Evelyn Beatrice Hall, writing as S. G. Tallentyre in 1906.
"Besides learning to see, there is another art to be learned--not to see what is not." ~ Maria Mitchell
Let me answer your questions with my questions:
Do you know what freedom is?
Do you know what freedom of speech is?
Do you know what freedom of press is?
Do you know why freedom of speech and freedom of press are important?
Do you think that censorship is heathy?
There is no freedom where censorship rules!
Freedom and truth are the most valuable comodities on the web.
Freedom of speech is the concept of being able to speak freely without censorship. It is often regarded as an integral concept in modern liberal democracies.
CureZone members are allowed to express their political opinions on CureZone.
CureZone members are allowed to publish or to link to articles related to politics of any country of the world!, including but not limiting to: Afghanistan, USA, Iraq, Iran, Korea, Russa, Israel, Tibet, Cuba, Gaza etc.
Yes they are, as long as they respect CureZone TOS.
Free speech, what it really is?
Goebbels was in favor of free speech for views he liked!(Paul Joseph Goebbels, Reich Minister of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda in Nazi Germany).
So was Stalin (Iosif Vissarionovich Stalin, Иосиф Виссарионович Сталин; born Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili).
So was Saddam Hussein (Abd al-Majid al-Tikriti).
So was Adolf Hitler (Führer (President) of Germany).
On CureZone, we are in favor of free speech, even for views we dislike. That is the difference between CureZone and news services sponsored by people like Hitler, Stalin, Goebbels or Saddam.
"Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too." ~ Voltaire (François-Marie Arouet (1694-11-21 – 1778-05-30))
Who do you like more? Goebbels, Saddam Hussein or CureZone?
You can't have it all. It is one way or the other!
You are pro freedom, or you are against it.
500 years ago, Erasmus wrote:
"In a free state, tongues too should be free."
(The Education of a Christian Prince (1516).)
Erasmus was too far ahead of his time.
"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear." George Orwell, Preface to Animal Farm (1946).
"Love truth, but pardon error." ~ Voltaire (François-Marie Arouet)
"It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong." ~ Voltaire
"Aren't people absurd! They never use the freedoms they do have, but demand those they don't have; they have freedom of thought, they demand freedom of speech." Søren Kierkegaard, Diapsalmata, Either/Or (1843).
"The price of freedom of religion, or of speech, or of the press, is that we must put up with a good deal of rubbish."
Yes, there is a price to pay for everything!
"The principle of free thought is not free thought for those who agree with us but freedom for the thought we hate. " US Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. in United States v. Schwimmer (1929).
"The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man falsely shouting fire in a theater and causing a panic. [...] The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent." Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr., 1919
Text of the First Amendment
The First Amendment, as passed by the House and Senate and later ratified by the States, reads:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
"The First Amendment is often inconvenient. But that is beside the point. Inconvenience does not absolve the government of its obligation to tolerate speech."
Anthony Kennedy, International Society for Krishna Consciousness v. Lee, 505 U.S. 672, 672 (1992) (concurring).
"You do not define the First Amendment. It defines you. And it is bigger than you. That's how freedom works. It also demands you do your homework."
Charlton Heston, Speech to the National Press Club (14 September 1997).
Why is it inappropriate to post political content into a support forum?
"Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it."
Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address, 4 March 1801
Because debates are not allowed inside support forums, based on our TOS.
But, allowing political content without allowing debate is not freedom of speech!
To respect freedom of speech, all political content should be moved to the appropriate forums, where only censorship is compliance with curezone TOS.
"After all, if freedom of speech means anything, it means a willingness to stand and let people say things with which we disagree, and which do weary us considerably."
Zechariah Chafee; in Chafee (1920). Freedom of Speech, p. 366, Harcourt, Brace and Howe.
Webmaster
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty, than those attending too small a degree of it."
To Archibald Stuart, Philadelphia, 23 December 1791
I have NEVER agreed with the separation of forums into Support Forums and Debate Forums ... nor do I agree that spiritual, social, economic and political issues can be separated from health issues. We are HOLISTIC beings and every aspect of life contributes to our overall health and wellbeing.
The reason that I have posted a great deal of the subject matter that is on my forum is to invite DISCUSSION about these issues. As adults... we should ALL be able to engage in a reasonable exchange of opinions, ideas, creative solutions, etc.... that just MAY contribute to the RESOLUTION of so many of the differences that divide us. Without DIALOGUE and the willingness to FACE tough and painful issues... bring them out in the OPEN... shed LIGHT where there has been darkness... and therefore raise AWARENESS and elevate CONSCIOUSNESS... there will NOT be REAL AND LASTING HEALING!
While I understand the reasoning behind dividing CureZone into Support and Debate Forums.... I am of the opinion that this fosters an UNNATURAL division and contributes to the tendency of splitting the world into black and white... good and evil... the sacred and the profane...... in other words DUALITY. Plain and simple... THERE IS NO SUCH THING!
As I see it... the PROBLEM lies with making value JUDGEMENTS on what are 'good' (perceived as healthy) and 'bad' (perceived as unhealthy) topics of DISCUSSION. It has also been evident MANY times that what is perceived as 'Supportive' to some is perceived as 'Unsupportive' to others. Yet again... the division of the forums represents a FALSE DICHOTOMY that simply does NOT exist!
I stated this in a prior post on the Water Fasting Forum... if ANYONE'S 'positive' attitude is so fragile that they are thrown off balance by reading posts that they PERCEIVE as being 'negative'... then just how REAL is their 'positive' attitude?
My former teacher used to take himself to the scariest and most disturbing movies so that he could practice how to remain calm when confronted with situations that would have a tendency to raise considerable emotion in him... and hence throw him off balance. The ONLY way to truly GROUND oneself in ones true being... devoid of unnatural duality... is to put oneself in situations that allow for practicing this sort of control over one's emotions and physiological reactions. In other words... EVERYTHING can be viewed as positive and used towards practice!
I know I am six days late to this but I totally agree that support and debate MUST be kept separate. I don't want someone in a dire physical\mental state to have to even think about some of the things posted in the debate forums.
They should feel save clicking the Support Mosaic link...
Hey Newport,
This is a touchy subject. What O was saying was that support and Debate Forums should be one and the same - what you believe is that they should be kept separate. In my experience, there are arguements made for both. There are plenty of newbies who come along who probably would be overwhelmed by a free for all support forum, yet the drawback of the concept (as we know it now) of a support forum is that most tenets can't be challenged. And we all know the amount of bull that gets slung around here (me hiding off in the corner....)
Doesn't compare to the full time word smiths that would completely destroy the whole point of this site...then again that might be why it is being suggested.
Perhaps we should contact the FDA to get an OK for what can be posted...you on board for that?
Newport,
I am only putting forth my views on what you (and O) were discussing... The concept of the separation of the debate and Support Forums . As I said, I can see both sides of the coin. There is no perfect answer. I actually support the separation. However... it comes at a cost. Which should be seen by everyone, even if it is warranted. And that is that the freedom of expression/information is stifled. Support forums are a one party line of information. That is a fact. I will not argue that in some (maybe most) cases that is for the better - but it is still a one party line. And that is the point that I think O was trying to make.
"Doesn't compare to the full time word smiths that would completely destroy the whole point of this site...then again that might be why it is being suggested."
Newport... I would suggest that you think long and hard about that... and the implications that you are making.
As B&G pointed... and I stated very clearly... there is PLENTY of unsupportive garbage in the Support Forums ... and an awful lot of it comes in the form or products that are being peddled on this website all over the place! I have said this loud and clear... JUST because something is natural... be it a supplement or treatment protocol or device or therapy... that doesn't mean that it is immune from being INeffective, UNsafe or nothing other than a Snake Oil Scam!
I have been on CureZone for over 7 years... and I have done NOTHING to warrant what you are suggesting. In fact... VERY MUCH the OPPOSITE!
I have personally WASTED a bloody fortune on a lot of that kind of crap... and it happened LONG before I was involved with CureZone... and the amount that stuff going on has grown ASTRONOMICALLY! When people are sick and their money is tight... the LAST thing they need is to have some opportunist... no matter WHAT form it comes in... to be taking advantage of their desire to relieve their suffering and get well!
The TRUTH is that the way that I have CURED a long list of chronic illnesses was through natural means... including supplements and herbs and various holistic therapies that were EFFECTIVE!
If YOU are one of the people on CureZone that is somehow profiting off of people's sufferng and if YOU are feeling threatened in your wallet... then I can understand why YOU would want to make sure that nothing but "Ra-Ra-That's-The-Greatest-Product-Or-Service-Or-Protocol-On-The-Market!" HYPE! I sincerely hope that this is not the case... and that what you have suggested is out of your ignorance of some things that I am aware of that you are not!
I have personally dealt with some of the VERY SAME health issues that you have reported... and I TOOK CARE OF MINE! I am about to do the very same thing with the health conditions that I NOW have... and I will ONCE AGAIN be back to a remarkable state of HEALTH!
You are more welcome to participate in any discussions and suggestions that I have when the time comes. You are also perfectly welcome to keep taking a bunch of supplements and plugging yourself in to whatever electronic devices until your hearts content! That's YOUR choice... and no skin off of MY back either way!
I would however be very careful about making comments like you did in that post... because you are going to feel INCREDIBLY FOOLISH when I REALLY start talking about what I KNOW!
>> I would suggest that you think long and hard about that... and the implications that you are making.
The implications I am making are quite clear, although apparently NOT to you…
Just to make this as simple as I can; if you want to ruin CZ then allow petty arguments, name calling and even better, political swordsmanship in the Support Forums .
>> because you are going to feel INCREDIBLY FOOLISH when I REALLY start talking about what I KNOW!
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