"So I have been thinking as a compromise getting a board where I will mainly post about diseases and alternative medicines, but for the most part not accept questions about health."
Do it! Wonderful idea- I for one have to sift through too many post answering the questions over and over and they still want your advice to fit what they are already trying and is not working.
It would give you more time to give more detailed information on specific protocols.
We need access to accurate thought-out information not just the ramblings of these ONE for all answers to ALL problems guys.
There has to be a balance to the only use a Zapper, Ozone, Herbs, Ph balance, Liver flush and on and on and on guy.
Trying to ask a ligament question from these guys only gets you FLAMED of the board.
I can get the same advice I get from some of these guys at my local Pool Supply store. I thing I can speak for those of us who are trying to heal something your information is greatly needed and appreciated.
Or I'll just have to sit on a 9v battery drinking Chlorine and Soda Ash weighting for the Olive Oil to kick in.
I have to disagree with you, liver flushing with olive oil and citric acid does work. I have extensive experience with liver disease unfortunately, 2 years ago I was diagnosed with liver hepatitis and liver cancer. I've done many things, but one of the main things that has helped has been liver flushing (I've done 35 of them now).
Because some people (like you) scared me off liver flushing, I actually suffered 6 months of constant liver pain while using liver support herbs which did absolutely nothing. I never made any progress at all until I started liver flushing.
I won't dispute that your advice about taking a small amount of olive oil with every meal is good advice however. One of the ways to heal the liver is to make sure you have lots of raw fats, particularily 5-10 tablespoons of OO per day if possible.
Still, small amounts of OO every meal DOES NOT replace liver flushing. I know because I take OO at most meals, take liver tonics and support herbs, and still my liver needs to be flushed from time to time. If I don't flush for too long, I can feel my liver getting damaged, because unfortunately I have a very sensitive liver now.
OO and citric acid is not the only way to liver flush, but you can't say it hasn't worked because it already has for thousands of people, whether they were doing the Schulz flush or the Clark or the Sutter or Grandma's flush from the homeland. I'm sorry it didn't work for you, but to generalize like that is just wrong. It's no wonder you were kicked off the liver flush SUPPORT forum, it's a support forum, not a debate forum, read (and follow) the rules. It's ok to disagree, it's not ok to stuff your opinions down someones throat, especially when people have experiences to the contrary. Unless you also had liver hep and cancer, I'm going out on a limb here and will say that I have more practical experience than you do here.
Second, parasites have been a problem for many people with Candida. One of the problems with Candida is that it's a "catch all" category when people don't know what's wrong with them. Nothing wrong with doing a parasite cleanse, if they are parasite free it does nothing but a lot of the time, especially for Candida, it helps. Its recently helped a friend I know who suffers from MS and I find that amazing.
Mercury is a huge problem for many people with Candida. I believe it's a major contributor to mine. Until I remove my mercury fillings, a small amount of Candida exist in my gut (to protect me from the mercury). I don't feel that Candida, I'm cured from it, but it's still there (according to iridology and live blood cell testing). In any case, mercury fillings are really bad for your health so I don't know why you'd even think about debating this.
Btw, what kind of practical experience do you have with disease? Or are you academic only?
It's impossible to say why anyone has Candida, everyone has it for different reasons and often more than one factor, to generalize the way you do is not helpful. I don't always agree with everything that is said on this board, but I try to stay openminded and if something works for someone, especially long term, that's good enough for me.
Take a little time go back and read some of his old posts he has already answered all of these many times.
We are asking him to give up his valuable time to give us HIS opinion and not wast a lot of time rehashing the same old BS read the thread this is what WE are trying to avoid if I want to keep getting the same old song from the OO crowd I know were to go and I'll ask. This thread was to thank Hv for his time NOT to start-up another debate
Sorry, I can't just stand by while someone trashes things that have taken me from death's door and back. The only reason I bother to post is to help people that might otherwise be persuaded by this know-it-all.
If you don't like to read my practical experience with Candida and severe liver conditions, just ignore it, it's OK.
The only reason I bother to post is to help people that might otherwise be persuaded by this know-it-all.
I am hardly a know it all. I am still learning just like MOST of us are. A know it all is someone who is convinced they are right despite solid evidence to the contrary. I have posted studies proving your claims wrong and you still continue to claim I am wrong. So the only know it all here has been you.
I am very open to learning and love to learn. But if you have not figured it out yet I prefer to learn from solid evidence, not bogus propaganda sites, or from someone's opinion. These are not forms of evidence. So if you want me to accept your claims start by showing all of us all these studies you claim exist and we have yet to see from you.
Personally, I doubt if we will see you post these studies. I have posted on boards like his for many years. And I have noticed a very consistent pattern with people. When they lack evidence they go on the attack. Then they make up claims about studies that don’t exist. When called on their claims and asked to provide these studies they can never provide the studies, likely because they never existed in the first place. So since their bluff was called they lay low for while waiting for the challenge to their claims to blow over. Time will tell if this is the case with you.
There is lots of information out there, IF you really wanted to find it.
However, for the open minded people who might read this, here is a list of studies that show why Norway, Sweden and other European countries have banned mercury.
I did not ask for an opinion article, I asked for some of those many studies you claim exist. As I figured you could not come up with any, so as I suspected it looks like they do not exist.
And once again, nobody is claiming mercury is not toxic. What was questioned is that mercury amalgams are still leaching mercury and causing health problems a decade or more after being put in. This is what I doubt as most of the mercury is long gone from the fillings in the first couple of years after being put in. And a decade down the road all the mercury that leached out in the first couple of years would have been chelated out of the body by foods in our diet long before the decade is out.
Fifty percent of the filings are composed of mercury. If the mercury was gone in two years, then you would be left with half a filing. From personal experience, the mercury can effect a person until they die.
Fifty percent of the filings are composed of mercury. If the mercury was gone in two years, then you would be left with half a filing. From personal experience, the mercury can effect a person until they die.
The mercury is used to amalgate the metal. This keeps the metal in a liquid form in order to get it in place. Once the amalgam is in place most of the mercury is squeezed out to make the metal hard enough that it will not flow out. Mercury quickly leaches out from the filling where much of it is bound by pectins, algins, and phytic acid in our diet.
I also posted a study where they found most of the mercury was released after two years in water as a medium. That is without the pressure of chewing, which would cause it to escape even faster.
50% Mercury
35% Silver
14% Tin
0.1% Zink
0.3% Copper
And like he said, if the mercury leached out, the filling would be 50% gone.
Scientific studies have shown that amalgam not only leaks out YEARS after it's been placed, but it's also a significant amount.
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Is this amount of Mercury Significant?
The number one source of mercury in most people has been documented to be dental amalgam fillings and most of the thousands of people with several mercury fillings who have been tested were found to have daily exposure levels exceeding Government safety guidelines.
US EPA 1996 “integrated Risk Information systems, National Center for Environmental Assessment, Mark Richardson, Environmental Health Directorate, Health Canada, Assessment of Mercury Exposure and Risks from Dental Amalgam 1995, Final Report.
G.M. Richardson et al “A Monte Carlo Assessment of Mercury Exposure and Risks from Dental Amalgam.” Human and Ecological Risk Assessment 2(4), 709-761
Agency for Toxic Substance and Disease Registry, US Public Health Service, “Toxicological Profile for Mercury”, 1994. B
Windham, Ed., Annotated Bibliography: Health Effects of Mercury and Amalgam Fillings and Results of Filling Replacement 1999 (over 400 Medical Studies and scientific journal references).
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Does Mercury Vapor Escape from Fillings?
YES. Scientific evidence from Universities of Iowa, Calgary, Oral Roberts and New Zealand.
Svare, C.W. Dental Amalgam Related Mercury Vapor Exposure. Cal. Dent. Ass J. pp 55-60, Oct. 1984.
Vimy, et al. Intra-Oral Air Mercury Released From Dental Amalgam. J. Dent. Res. Vol 64, 1069-1071, August 1985
Vimy, et al. Intra-oral Air Mercury. Estimation of Daily Dose from Dental Amalgam J. Dent. Res. Vol. 65:1072-1075. Aug 1986.
Emler et al. An assessment of mercury in mouth air. J. Dent. Res. Vol 64:247, IADR Abstract No. 652, 1985
Patterson et al, Mercury in Human Breath from Dental Amalgams, Bul Environ. Contam. Toxicol. 34:459-468, 1985
I posted a study which showed most of the mercury was out of the amalgam within two years. And that was just sitting in water. In the mouth, with the chewing, the mercury would come out faster.
The study said the amount of mercury was reduced to 1.5 micrograms per day after 2 years, in a sterile in vitro environment. The mercury was still there of course, it didn't disappear.
Like we said before, if the mercury, which is substantial, dissolves in your mouth, you'd be missing 50% of your filling.
Other studies have shown mercury exposure between 2-12 micrograms per day from fillings that were older than 2 years old. The question is, is low level exposure to mercury safe? We don't really know the answer to that question yet, but judging from people's experiences with having their fillings removed, I'd say no.
The study said the amount of mercury was reduced to 1.5 micrograms per day after 2 years, in a sterile in vitro environment. The mercury was still there of course, it didn't disappear.
If the water was not changed then yes the mercury would still be there. This is common sense. The mercury does not degrade.
Like we said before, if the mercury, which is substantial, dissolves in your mouth, you'd be missing 50% of your filling.
So do you have proof that the fillings get smaller over the years as the mercury leaches out? Have you considered the fact that mercury can be leached out leaving micropores?
Other studies have shown mercury exposure between 2-12 micrograms per day from fillings that were older than 2 years old.
Post the studies so we can see how they were performed. Just because a study says something does not mean it was not manipulated.
The question is, is low level exposure to mercury safe?
Noone is questioning the toxicty of mercury. But you are overlooking a lot of factors such as chelation from pectins and algins in foods we eat.
We don't really know the answer to that question yet, but judging from people's experiences with having their fillings removed, I'd say no.
Again, that is not proof. You still have to prove that there was any mercury leaching after a few decades. Maybe they feel better because they had a minor infection trapped in the tooth. Point is that there are other factors that can be playing a role. So this is not evidence.
I would love to see a person who has completed a liver flush send their stones to a certified lab to verify the contents of them. I think it would be an excellent way to determine who is right and wrong.
This is the very crap that caused me to stop posting on this forum for many months. People weren't supportive, but just bickered about everything under the sun, diet, the existence of candida, on and on.
This forum is for support, NOT DEBATE! If you want to debate, post on the debate forum.
What REALLY gets my goat is those who "think" they know, when they have never actually had candida, have never done a liver flush. Keep your textbook reading knowledge to yourself unless you personally have experience.
I HAVE had experience with liver flushes and I don't care what it was that I flushed, it was substanial and has helped me.
In the meantime, I'll go back to my life while this forum goes back to being one of support and not debate. Tired of this crap!
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