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  • Ozone sauna detox rash by  HanSolo  4 year  11,304  The Truth in Medicin

    I've attempted to upload a picture of a clean white towel, that was no longer clean and white after a ozone steam sauna I did months back. This was a general occurence probably for a two or three week period. The towel I was sitting on would just be filthy with black stuff all over it. By the looks of it, you can tell this stuff was just dripping off and out of my skin onto the towel.

     

    If this picture does not load, the url is: http://curezone.com/ig/i.asp?i=40788dirty ozone towel

     

    Additionally, in this thread from the oxygen therapies forum, a genteleman had a very nasty detox rash and uploaded his picture:

    http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1253646

    Personally, I have never experienced ANYTHING, of that magnitude. But, nonetheless, have to a much lesser degree, and pretty much isolated to my forearms.  Additionally, when I was doing ozone steam saunas way too often, I was geting breakouts on my scalp under my hair where I had a concussion as a child many years ago, where ozone was no where near. Because your head sticks out of the steam tent, and you are suppose to have a wet towel wrapped around your neck, to prevent escape of ozone from the sauna, and have a fan blowing across your face to dissipate what does escape.

    So, please don't say I don't know what I'm doing, and I'm using a hot spark ozone machine that is producing super high amounts of ozone. At the flow rate I'm using, and the setting on the machine, it is only putting out around 50 gamma. Well under the threshold for damage to occur. 

    This is an exceprt from Saul Pressmans book, The Owner Manual for the Human Body. He has had an ozone clinic for several years, if not at least 15.

    Hyperthermia itself is a very effective technique, many thousands of years old,
    recommended by Hippocrates. It results in a “false fever” reaction, which
    simulates the body’s own defense mechanism. With the addition of ozone, the
    treatment becomes doubly powerful. As the toxins are oxidized, and eliminated
    from the body, the fat containing them is no longer needed, and also leaves.
    Weight loss of 30, 40, or 50 lbs over a period of months has been reported, with
    no change in diet. The skin becomes smooth, soft and free of blemishes.

    Symptoms of a whole host of diseases disappear as the toxins leave the system
    and the body is enabled to heal itself.

    Unlike other methods of ozone application, employing ozone in a steam sauna
    will induce the “healing crisis”, which feels like having the flu for a few days.
    People should be informed of this effect so they can be prepared, and welcome it
    as a sign of beneficial healing. Skin rashes are common as the toxins are pushed
    out through the skin rapidly. Often the rash is very itchy, and this can be
    alleviated by taking protease enzymes, and applying Gardener’s Dream Cream or
    emu oil.

    The more frequent the treatments, the more rapid the healing, and the more
    severe the healing reactions will be. It may become so uncomfortable that the
    person will need to reduce the frequency of treatments from once daily to once
    weekly. Typical treatments are once daily for 30 minutes duration. Persons with
    heart conditions should be limited to 15 minutes at a lower temperature for the
    first few sessions, increasing to 20, 25 and then 30 minutes, as the body adjusts
    to the thermal stress over time. People who have had a previous stroke should not
    do saunas, but can do ozone in other ways.

    HS: "What is your experience with ozone therapy inside of a steam sauna?"

    H: "I don't use it in a steam sauna because it is less effective this way. Again, heat and moisture speed up the rate of ozone destruction."

    Then since you are not famaliar with this method of treatment and have no personal experience, you are not fully qualified to make judgments on it.

    Heat and steam will speed up the rate of destruction of ozone. However, if there is a fresh supply coming in every second, this is not an issue since it is continually being replenished. Plus, since the pores of the skin are so much more receptive to absorbing ozone into the system, any cons are quickly negated. From my experience with dry bagging, and no steam vs steam ozone therapy is like comparing sending a piece of mail across the country via the pony express to using email. Sure, that piece of mail will arrive about 4 months from now with the pony, but in just few moments with email. 

    From looking at the picture of the towel I posted, can you honestly say there were no toxins coming out of me? More than likely, these were heavy metals coming out. Additionally, not everything the ozone comes into contact with is going to be fully oxidized, unless there is enough ozone to complete the reaction. So there will be partially oxidized agents.

     

     

     

     

     

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    • rash by  ginab4u  4 year  5,583

       Or could there be some nasty virus or bacteria at that sauna that's causing rashes and black spots?

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    • Re: Ozone sauna detox rash by  Hveragerthi  4 year  5,783

      I've attempted to upload a picture of a clean white towel, that was no longer clean and white after a ozone steam sauna I did months back. This was a general occurence probably for a two or three week period. The towel I was sitting on would just be filthy with black stuff all over it. By the looks of it, you can tell this stuff was just dripping off and out of my skin onto the towel.

      And what proof do you have these are toxins?  Did you have them analyzed?  Have you considered the fact that maybe these are substances being oxidized on the SURFACE of your skin such as soap scum or body oils?  This could also explain the so-called detox rashes.  Oxidation of oils can cause them to polymerize, which can cause them plug pores on the skin.  With all the years I have worked with ozone I have yet to see anyone have a "detox rash".   In fact my books on ozone therapy don't mention anything like this either.  So you have a problem with your hypothesis.  Since administration of ozone internally is stronger and more effective than the steam sauna, which RAPIDLY breaks down the ozone, there should be much greater detox reaction by internal use.  All those oxidized toxins should be pouring out the skin as the body rapidly tries to get rid of these toxins.  Yet this does not happen despite the higher effectiveness of internal ozone.  So this brings us back to one explanation.  The rashes are black gunk are not coming from the inside, but rather are oxidation byproducts from the surface of the skin.  And these byproducts, in particular polymerized oils, are plugging the pores causing the so called "detox rashes".  If you want to see a simple example of an oxidation product becoming dark or black you can try ozonating clear colloidal silver solution, which will form black silver oxide.  Or try cutting an apple and let it sit for 20 minutes while watching the tissue turn brown.  These wold be good examples of why you are getting black stuff on your towel.

       

      So, please don't say I don't know what I'm doing, and I'm using a hot spark ozone machine that is producing super high amounts of ozone. At the flow rate I'm using, and the setting on the machine, it is only putting out around 50 gamma. Well under the threshold for damage to occur.  

       

      Excuse me, but it was you that said you had adverse effects from the ozone and has been talking about oxidative burning of the tissues.  I was agreeing with you that yes, this can happen at very high concentrations of ozone.  At therapeutic levels this does not occur.  Again, the goal of ozone therapy is not to destroy healthy cells or to overwhelm the cells antioxidant capabilities. 

       

      As far as your claim about 50 gamma being "well under the threshold for damage to occur", this just proves you don't know what you are doing.  It all depends on application.  Insufflation does not exceed 40 gamma.  MiAHT does not exceed 35 gamma.  Body bagging does not exceed 35 gamma. Inhalation through olive oil does not exceed 30 gamma.  Even the steam tents you like are not to exceed 55 gamma, which I would not say is "WELL UNDER the threshold for damage to occur". 

      If you understood ozone therapy you would also realize that the concentration output of ozone is not limited by its power.  The gamma output is also directly proportional to the flow rate of the gas as I mentioned earlier.

       

      May I suggest that if you are going to fool around with ozone that you get a real book on ozone therapy, such as The Use of Ozone in Medicine 2nd edition so you can learn about its proper use? They even give dosage charts in the book.

      This is an exceprt from Saul Pressmans book, The Owner Manual for the Human Body. He has had an ozone clinic for several years, if not at least 15.

      Hyperthermia itself is a very effective technique, many thousands of years old,
      recommended by Hippocrates. It results in a “false fever” reaction, which
      simulates the body’s own defense mechanism. With the addition of ozone, the
      treatment becomes doubly powerful. As the toxins are oxidized, and eliminated
      from the body, the fat containing them is no longer needed, and also leaves.
      Weight loss of 30, 40, or 50 lbs over a period of months has been reported, with
      no change in diet. The skin becomes smooth, soft and free of blemishes.

      Hyperthermia is way different than ozone therapy.  And the fat is not being removed because it is no longer needed.  One of the basics of chemistry for ozone is that it reacts with fatty acids forming lipid peroxides.  These are then broken down like other peroxides.  Maybe he should read the book I mentioned as well.  It goes in to great details about the chemistry of ozone and ozone reaction byproducts.

      Symptoms of a whole host of diseases disappear as the toxins leave the system
      and the body is enabled to heal itself.

      He clearly does not have a clue about how ozone works in the body.  Much of how ozone works in the body has NOTHING to do with toxins.  It has to do with lipid reactions, stimulation of white blood cells through peroxide formation, increasing of SOD and other antioxidant enzymes, cytokine stimulation, etc.

      Unlike other methods of ozone application, employing ozone in a steam sauna
      will induce the “healing crisis”, which feels like having the flu for a few days.

      Again, more BS.  These same symptoms can occur with other methods of administration.  This is common after starting ozone therapy, and it has nothing to do with a detox reaction.  The flu-like symptoms from ozone therapy is from the stimualtion of interferon.  Same reason you get flu-like symptoms when you have the flu.

      Skin rashes are common as the toxins are pushed out through the skin rapidly. Often the rash is very itchy, and this can be
      alleviated by taking protease enzymes, and applying Gardener’s Dream Cream or emu oil.

      Again, where is the proof that these rashes are from toxins exiting through the skin?  And again why don't we see this reaction with more effective forms of ozone therapy?  Never mind, you don't need to asnwer these as I already explained why above.

      HS: "What is your experience with ozone therapy inside of a steam sauna?"

      H: "I don't use it in a steam sauna because it is less effective this way.  Again, heat and moisture speed up the rate of ozone destruction."

      Then since you are not famaliar with this method of treatment and have no personal experience, you are not fully qualified to make judgments on it.

      Then since you obviously don't know squat about ozone therapy in general then you are not qualified whatsoever to make the ridiculous claims about it that you have been doing.  By the way, yes I am familiar with it.  I am also familiar with how rockets work, but I have never been on one.  So should I also refrain from talking about rockets?  Being that I was already familiar with the reduced effectiveness of ozone saunas and the instability of ozone in heat and moisture as well as ozone reaction byproducts I would say I understand this form of the therapy a lot better than you do.  So you ought to watch your cockiness!

       

      Heat and steam will speed up the rate of destruction of ozone. However, if there is a fresh supply coming in every second, this is not an issue since it is continually being replenished. 

      Yes, it is an issue.  The half life of ozone at higher temperatures is minimal.  On top of that you have its reaction with the steam forming peroxides.  So you have even less that will be available for absorption.  And if that was not enough the ozone that manages to survive will first react with substances on the skin such as oils and ammonia, which are increased by the sweating of a sauna.  So you will be lucky if even a tenth of the ozone survives long enough to be absorbed through the skin.

      Plus, since the pores of the skin are so much more receptive to absorbing ozone into the system, any cons are quickly negated.

      Sure, whatever you wish to believe

      From my experience with dry bagging, and no steam vs steam ozone therapy is like comparing sending a piece of mail across the country via the pony express to using email.

      Yep, sweating increases the release of things like ammonia from the body, which is why it is great for detoxing.  This does not mean that the ozone is surviving the heat and steam to get in to the body and to release other toxins through the skin.  Again, this is one of the LEAST EFFECTIVE forms of ozone therapy as I have shown.

      From looking at the picture of the towel I posted, can you honestly say there were no toxins coming out of me?

      Absolutely!!!  Again it is more likely oxidation byproducts from the surface of the skin.

      More than likely, these were heavy metals coming out.

      More than likely not!!!  Oxidized heavy metals from inside the body would be eliminated via urine or feces.  If you wish to have your rag analyzed by a real lab though I will be happy to look at the results.

       

      Additionally, not everything the ozone comes into contact with is going to be fully oxidized, unless there is enough ozone to complete the reaction. So there will be partially oxidized agents. 

      This just gives more evidence to what I have been saying.  Since virtually no ozone will survive to be absorbed through the skin then how could there be enough ozone to complete oxidation of fatty acids, heavy metals or other toxins in the body?  Oh that's right, its not possible!

      By the way this is real waste of time arguing with you since you obviously know very little about the chemistry of ozone, ozone byproducts and ozone therapy.  So if you wish to continue arguing over your false beliefs take it elsewhere.  I would rather spend my time dealing with people who want help and are willing to learn.

       

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      • Re: Ozone sauna detox rash by  HanSolo  4 year  5,727
        The exact response I suspected. Classic H.
        I'll say right now, you are a very smart man.

        But man, when someone challenges your belief system, you go apeshit.

        Anyhow, I'm not even going to rebuke any of your counter claims.

        Because you will always pull something from your sleeve to keep your belief system intact. I've seen it too many times before. You are the classic kid from highschool that knew everything. And now with the internet, you can sit behind your keyboard, and be king know it all nerd, like the rest of the forum moderators on this website.. like moreless for one.

        Anyhow, I'm out. Peace bro.

        P.S. There is no need to respond to this post. If you do it will just prove to everyone even more of your know it all nature and need to have the last word.



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        • Re: Ozone sauna detox rash by  Hveragerthi  4 year  5,660

          You have not challenged my belief system.  All you have done is to make some claims that you cannot back up because you don't understand the chemistry behind ozone or how the body works. If you feel so strongly that you are right then come up with some evidence.  Have the towel tested to see if there are oxidized heavy metals coming through the skin.  If these are heavy metals not associated with something that would already be on your skin then present your findings.  That would be challenging my belief system.

          Challenging ones belief system requires proving evidence to challenge that belief.  Just creating an opinion based on a false belief is not challenging a belief.  For example, if I said the sun rises in the East and sets in the West where I live your saying that the sun really rises in the West and sets in the East would not be challenging my belief system.  That would just be making a foolish statement.

          So what evidence have you provided to challenge my belief system?  Have you shown that ozone is stable in a high heat, high humidity environment?  No.  Have you shown that the black on the towels is heavy metals?  No.  Have you shown that 50 gamma is well within safe limits?  No.  But I showed you what the upper limits are supposed to be for various applications.  Have you shown that a significant amount of ozone can enter through the pores in a hot steam sauna?  No.  Have you contradicted my explanation of the rash in any way?  No.  Have you shown any evidence to contradict my statement of oxidation being able to produce darker byproducts?  No.  But I gave you some perfect examples to back my claim.  Therefore the only belief system that has been challenged here is yours.

          So when you come up with some evidence to the contrary I will be happy to look at it.

          And since you are making so many false assumptions let me correct a few others for you.  I did not go "apes***" as you put it because you think you challenged my belief system.  As we can all see you have not challenged anything.  What I was upset about it your snide remark about the fact that I don't use ozone in steam saunas because of its lack of effectiveness.  I have a problem with people who don't know squat about a subject coming here and telling me that I don't know anything about that same subject when I have been studying it and working with it for nearly two decades.  That is like some fool that has no medical training trying to tell a surgeon how to perform an operation.

          Also, I was not a know it all in high school.  My grades can prove that.  And I still am not a know it all. But I do have the brains to think for myself rather than have to believe any sales site I read like some people apparently do.  I am in a constant state of learning.  If I find something that I learned previously to be untrue I change my belief system about that subject.  I don't make those changes though based on someone's unproven and unprovable assumptions of truth.  So if you want to change my mind then show me the evidence.  Don't try to convince me of your claims that violate everything I know about science and medicine just because you decide to believe in fairy tales.

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          • Re: Ozone sauna detox rash by  #88964  4 year  5,580
            Are these the same type of portable saunas they sell now? I bought one 6 months ago and loved it but thought I lost too many minerals from it. You know the type of sauna where you sit in a chair and the infared heat makes you sweat.....are these good? Do you recommend them?

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            • Re: Ozone sauna detox rash by  Hveragerthi  4 year  5,630

               Are these the same type of portable saunas they sell now? I bought one 6 months ago and loved it but thought I lost too many minerals from it. You know the type of sauna where you sit in a chair and the infared heat makes you sweat.....are these good? Do you recommend them?

              I have never looked in to the portable saunas.

              Saunas in general are good as sweating helps to detox the body. This is provided you are healthy enough to handle the stress on the body. I would not recommend it for people with heart issues, that are malnourished or that cannot handle stress on the body.

              And if you do use the sauna it is important to stay hydrated with mineralized water, preferably with a little trace element salt for electrolytes.

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      • Re: Ozone sauna detox rash by  #105631  5 mon  979
        Hello, it seems that you know a lot about the application of ozone. Please can you give your opinion on uv blood irradiation with ozone added? i'm doing 6 of these treatments to try to clear adenocarcinoma in situ. It was also suggested to apply 3cc ozonized olive oil internally vaginally. What do you think? Since doing 2 of the blood treatments I have caught the flu. I wonder why I would catch the flu when it is suppose to strengthen the immune system. I rarely catch bugs. Thanks.

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