Do NOT get an intraveinous chelation of heavy that is how people end up even more ill and messed up.
If your itnerested in chelating heavy metals read about Andy Cutlers protocol there are some links on curezone and lots from google searches. Its a slow process but thats whats best for you and your body when chelating heavy metals.
My experience......Be careful using DMSA to chealte heavy metals - even suppositories - if you have a have any kind of candida infection.
I had a moderate candida problem which has now turned into a serious candida problem from the use of DMSA for chelation.
DMSA is sulfer based and is known to feed candida, but my practioner thought he was smart in prescribing suppositories which were supposed to prevent feeding the yeast through - like the oral route does.
However, if your candida has progressed into the Rhizome form, YOU WILL BE DIRECTLY FEEDING THE CANDIDA from your bloodstream. Therefore, using of suppositories (which very efficiently move DMSA into your bloodstream) means you are setting yourself up for a world of pain - like me.
Ive got a long way to go to get back to even a mderate level - and as you know - once candida gets a foothold, she dont wanna move out.
Really important feedback. I do have severe candida - cannot tell if it has hyphae since I do not have microscopic sight - but yes, i think it must have grown hyphae, since I had moderate candida (just bloating and fatigue) and when it pierces the gut walls, I assume, I get severe leaky gut - meaning that toxins are leaking into the blood stream and skin , hence I have these totally unpleasant symptoms in the skin - stinging, itching, tickling.
So yes, I am very very sick with candida and you're right, nothing makes it go away.
I was thinking that EDTA or some form of chelation like that was used.
But you see, in 2000, I conquered candida by removing my amalgams.
So I thought this time, heavy metals may be at work in the fact that this is absolutely out of control.
Also, it surprises me that sulfur would feed candida since garlic has sulfur and kills candida dead.
had a feeling it may cause a lot of problems - cause it requires that the excretory organs - kidney, bowels, lungs and skin be in top working order and not to mention the liver.
will check out the protocol you suggest.
however I'd like to do chelation cause i feel heavy metal play a role in candida (and my liver)
I think I saw one of your posts on another forum... You were pretty discouraged.
Are you feeling better? What are your symptoms and your protocols?
had a feeling it may cause a lot of problems - cause it requires that the excretory organs - kidney, bowels, lungs and skin be in top working order and not to mention the liver.
Edta doesnt actually chelate mercury if i remember correctly or its very poor at chelating mercury and its more for other metals, but even then its not worth taking.
It involves taking DMSA/ALA every 3-4 hours to keep the chelating agent at a steady level in your blood stream to cause as little distribution as possible. You can take either DMSA, ALA or BOTH. ALA crosses the blood brain barrier and if you just want to take one of them thats the reccommened one to take. But you can only take it after 3 months from having your fillings remmoved, which you have. Otherwise they suggest DMSA for the first 3 months.
I took DMSA for 3 months, then ALA for 1 year, 3-4 days on 3-4 days off. But now at the moment my problems are more focused elsewhere, the chelating cleared up my brain fog and helped alot with depression. But at the moment i feel my liver/adrenals are not up for chelating so ive stopped.
however I'd like to do chelation cause i feel heavy metal play a role in candida (and my liver)
I think I saw one of your posts on another forum... You were pretty discouraged.
Are you feeling better? What are your symptoms and your protocols?
At the moment im focusing on healing the adrenals, ive just recently started making Water Kefir and im able to tolerate it(unlike milk kefir and fermented cabbage) and im also doing liver flushes and liver bitters are on order.
Hi, I am in the same boat. I think chelating heavy metals will help with my liver and candida. I am in the 95% for aluminum and 65% for mercury. I still have some Amalgams in and am having the first one removed next Monday.
Supposedly on the chelation forum I read magnesium malate chelates mercury. My knowledgable alternative doc says no. She said she has tried DMSA and EDTA for chelation and says the way to go is a product called Metal Free at http://www.bodyhealth.com.
I am not positive she is correct on this, but she has been pretty good so far. The ingredients are proprietary blend of microactivated algae, lactobacillus and bifidus extracts, peptidylgluconase,glycine, ionic sea minerals, hydrated colloidal silica, glutathione, vitamin c, hyaluronic acid, fulvic, ferulic and lipoic acid,chlorella, and acetylcystine. Newport has tried this product, but I do not know what his results were with it. It is very expensive.
I just started using it and can only take 2 tiny drops at the back of my tongue(so as not to touch any of the metals in my mouth). I am pretty toxic, because at 4 drops I had chelation symptoms and the info says to do it at a level where you are symptome free(you don't want these metals recirculating in your body). I would like to know others opinions on this. Do you think this could work?
I know, but I'm dropping the drops at the very back of the throat so it doesn't touch any metal when I swallow. I am going to talk to my dentist about this when I see her on Monday.
So I've been thinking about chelation and I've read about 25% of the Cutler protocol as well as the summary of his protocol and several user experiences. This is what I know:
1) Chelation, done improperly, is potentially very dangerous. In a medical setting, it's killed 17% of the end-users (I think this was in Cutler's book). It's not something you do haphazardly and if you are going to do it, SLOW and safe is advised. IV chelation is not slow and safe.
2) Chelation should only be done when it's been determined that you are toxic with heavy metals. Hair, blood, and urine tests can be performed to determine this. Chelation will obviously not help (and could do plenty of harm) if you are not heavy metal toxic in the first place.
3) Chelation is complicated. Different chelators are used for different heavy metals. For example, EDTA is primarily used to chelate lead. Many "experts" don't know what they're doing. Also, different chelators work with other chelators in different cycles and different amounts. I'd advise reading Cutler's protocols before proceeding.
4) Some of the best chelators (such as DMSA) are very hard on your liver. Is your liver (and elimination organs) in good condition?
5) Chelators can remove needed minerals from your body. It shouldn't be done all of the time but in cycles of rest and chelation. Depending on the results of your hair analysis, you may have to remineralize for 1-3 months before proceeding. http://zap.intergate.ca/dmsa.html
6) Did I mention that IV chelators are too intense? I've read that sometimes short term use of IV chelators have been good for people with severe Arteriosclerosis, but that's about it. I've read many more disaster stories I'm afraid.
7) Chelation should never be done if you still have mercury fillings or you have not identified the source of your heavy metal toxicity. If you do it will make you worse off than before.
8) This is just my personal opinion, but I consider chelation is something that you do when every other aspect of your health has been considered and optimized and you're looking for something else. I am definitely mercury toxic, I had cancer, but it wasn't even something I considered until my cancer was in remission.
Anyway, the choice is up to you.
Myself, I will probably chelate (for mercury using DMSA and then a DMSA/ALA combo), SLOWLY (low dose) and with long cycles in between use, because I believe it could be helpful. However, I'm going to continue reading on it and I won't be doing it for a few more months, until I read Cutler's book. If you are worried about chelation, the best thing to do is to avoid whatever is poisoning you, detox through exercise or hot baths, and if you have the money a Far Infrared Sauna .
If you have black/silver fillings, they are 50% mercury and should obviously be removed by either a IAOMT or Huggins trained dentist. I just had mine out this week.
Your post is very very informative. I didn't actually read any chelation stories, simply that during my last fight against candida (one year, where I battled intensely with antifungals, probiotics, immune boosters, all the arsenal), the turnaround was removing my amalgams.
I am sure I have heavy metal toxicity from having had mercury Amalgams in the first place, having lived in INdia and Nepal where all cooking is done in aluminium and where water is poisoned by not controled industries and Thailand where I ate shrimp most days for years (it is known to have lots of mercury).
You are so right that all elimination organs have to be functionning optimally. Mine are destroyed by massive candida - my bowels are leaking massive toxins into my skin (I practically have no gut wall, its so permeable); the liver is more or less always inflammed and congested as a result of chronic candida and way too much antibiotics. So no.
But there must be a way to chelate and detox; because I dont think in my case I will recover until and unless I detox big time.
The problem with me is carrying this infection so long, my life force is so low that the body doesn't have the necessary strenght for heavy duty detox like enemas, Liver Flush etc. I have done it before, nearly killed me. Left me limp as a rag and lifeless as a dead fish.
Thanks for your advice. Which Cutler are you talking about?
I had two things work for me when I was really sick and had low life energy.
I believe a good parasite cleanse (Humaworm or Barefoot) could really help. Parasites and heavy metals go together.
If you still suffer from Candida, Threelac can help.
I've posted my protocol for Candida, I don't know if you've seen it. Nutritionally, raw eggs (organic or farm fresh only) really helps. Bottom line: You need quality food to rebuild your GI. I ended up cleaning with fruit and fasting and then rebuilding with the Primal Diet.
Andrew Cutler is recognized by the alternative health community as a leading authority on chelation. Many people have had success using his protocol, so it's the one I'm going to use, and I'll use it on the safe side as well.
This guy probably "borrowed" ideas from him, but his writing is very clear and concise. Sometimes it's difficult to read through Andrew's book. http://zap.intergate.ca/dmsa.html
VX has given an excellent summary of the Cutler protocol - although the book obvioulsy has a lot more detail.
If you are interested in chelating, I would read Andy Cutlers book first. It is pretty much the standard guide on mercury, and worth reading if you are the investigative type and are employing a strategic approach to your treatment.
Anyways, im not here to promote it, so you can find it in your own time and space.
I also got interested in chelating as a means of trying to shake my heavy candida/leaky gut problem. I did it way too fast (4 fillings out over 4 weeks) and this resulted in terrible mercury dump which is hard on your detox pathways - which the book describes.
I also used a dentist who wasnt very particularly Mercury savvy. The very fine mercury particles you can see in the air when he is drillling your fillling out is probably the most lethal form of mercury you can get! - and unless you have supplmentry oxygen you breathe it straight into your lungs!!. V Bad - I should know.
Therefore, I would recommend having only 1 filling out a month and using a dentsit who give you supplementry oxygen and is experienced. Dont be afraid to ask them. Its your body - and there are tons of dentists in the book!
I agree on Cutler's book, I'm about 25% into it, however I find it very hard to read. The person I borrowed it from couldn't read more than 15 pages into it, and she has read numerous books on health. Someone should rewrite the book in an easier to read format.
Regarding removal of mercury fillings, your experience with the removal was brutal. I just had my fillings out last week, all 10 of them, with virtually no adverse reactions (although it's too early to be too confident).
First of all, no one should be able to see mercury dust in the air. Not only is this terrible for the patient but it's extremely bad for the dentist as well.
If anyone is going to remove fillings, I recommend they find an IAOMT certified dentist. They should be doing the following, MINIMUM:
1) Rubber dam
2) "Chunking" out filling, not drilling and spraying dust everywhere
3) High pressure cold water to keep filling cool when drilling and prevent dust
4) Negative ion generator (to attract and hold mercury dust that does get away)
5) Sequential removal (Dr Huggins (www.drhuggins.com) believes it affects your nervous system less and people heal more readily after having them sequentially removed according to the electrical charge on your filling)
6) IV conscious sedation if possible. It's possible to do all mercury fillings in one session this way.
7) Use biocompatible fillings (after blood work)
8) Activated charcoal and chlorella a few minutes before the removal process. (to absorb any mercury that gets by the rubber dam).
9) Midline: Never cross the midline of the face in one appointment. The midline separates the left and right sides of your face. Ignore if IV conscious sedation is used.
10) Appointment length: No longer than 2 hours and 15 minutes per appointment unless IV conscious sedation is used.
11) 7 day rule: Never book appointments exactly 1-2 weeks from other dental appointments. In other words, you can have appointments on M/W/F of the first week and T/R/S on the second week. After if you have any major injury, (say on a Monday), you should not have a filling removed on a Monday for at least a month after. It has to do with your immune system and white blood cells replenishing on a 7 day cycle.
There is probably more but if anyone is considering Amalgam removal, I'd advise them reading more from one of Dr Huggins many books on http://www.drhuggins.com
Fast Removal vs Slow Removal
Also, it's worth noting that both Dr Huggins (30 years of mercury removal experience), the IAOMT, and my dentist (10 years mercury removal experience), all agree that removing one filling per month is a very bad way of removing your fillings. In their experience, people with problems don't recover very well, some get worse. Everyone has to make their own choices, but I thought I'd let anyone who is thinking of this know the possible consequences.
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