>- I don't have one damned parasite in me and there were no parasites
found in the in depth analysis of the cancer material
Again, you are missing the whole point. The parasites are not in the
cancer. They are living elsewhere in your body, giving off toxins that erode
your immune system.
That's a damned lie. Hulda Clark says they are in the cancer - in
various stages of development including the adult stage. I have no liver
fluke anywhere in my body, never have, never will.
>- That CT scans and MRI's will miss most of them is out and out trash
talk with nothing to back it up.
have absolutely no experience in this or you would not be saying that. Most
cancers do not even show up well on a CT scan unless they use a "contrast
The MRI will work somewhat better but it is still possible to miss some things.
Unless a whole body scan is performed, they can miss a lot.
More BS. I have had a CT scan - without a contrast agent. The
scans (multiple) easily found granulomas (tumors) in my lungs. I've seen
the CT scans on a computer, they show up beautifully, and they are very
small. These very small granulomas even showed up on X-rays. You
don't know a thing about what you are talking about.
Your statement from NIH about parasites does not make any claim regarding
their connection to cancer as you claimed earlier.
>- Before I did that you claimed to never have heard that Fasciolopsis
Never heard that it what? Was in a tumor? That is correct. Apparantly Dr.
Clark was not entirely correct in all of her statements. But she was and is very
correct in that parasites do cause cancer. The NIH has published dozens of
studies showing this. Everytime that I would link to one, they would take it
down until I started saving copies of them.
You say that Clark was not "entirely correct in all of here
statements" yet she made the claim that Fasciolopsis buski was in
every cancer and she made that statement in each and everyone of her
One thing that I have learned from studying parasitology is that parasites
have a very strong influence over the host, including turning down the hosts
immune system. This in turn allows cancer to develope when it would not
ordinarily do so. Perhaps you and your doctor friends should give some further
consideration to the role of parasites in the development of cancer before you
continue poopooing the idea.
Ok, I'm going to cut through all the BS that you've presented regarding the
liver fluke and present what an eminently qualified parasitologist (and many
others) say regarding Hulda's fluke. Alongside Peter W. Pappas both you
and Hulda Clark are functionally illiterate in regards to parasites.
It still absolutely amazes me that you claim to have read Clark's books but
didn't find any of her liver fluke insanity. I pointed out the page number
of her "Cure for All Diseases" and you still couldn't find it.
Well, Peter Pappas (and many, many others) read all of Hulda's books and found
in each of them that she stated that Fasciolopsis buski (the liver fluke)
was the cause of all cancer as well as AIDS and a host of other illnesses - and
you didn't know that????? She also claims that the adult liver fluke
can be found in these host individuals - in the affected areas.
I used to have a link to Pappas' web site at Ohio State University where
there were several pages devoted to debunking the liver fluke theory but the
site is now under modification. However, quack watch has preserved a
declaration of Pappas that says much the same thing. I could care less of
your thoughts on quack watch, the messenger isn't important - but the message
is. Pappas makes direct quotes from Clark's books regarding her utterly
insane thoughts on liver flukes that you will find below.
I also with to point out that on cure zone someone calling themselves "Zapperman"
sent Dr. Pappas a zapper in 1998 with the joyous anticipation that Zapperman
would be blessed with revealing to Dr. Pappas some sort of hocus pocus anti parasite
miracle. Well, you can see from his declaration below that it did not
work. By the way - would you happen to be Zapperman? http://curezone.com/diseases/cancer/cancercured.asp
Just a few observations from Pappas declaration. Fasciolopsis buski has
never ever been found in relation to cancer (or a host of other Clark liver
fluke caused disease) - period. Also despite the claims of Hulda that
liver fluke eggs get into the human blood stream is pure garbage - they
don't. Another valid thing he points out is that Fasciolopsis buski
is limited only to S. E. Asia (has never been found anywhere else) and that even
there cancer rates are no higher than the rest of the world. He also
points out that parasites do not cause cancer!!!!
Pappas blows all of your wishy washy evasive responses to my comments out of
the water. Below you will also find a link to Dr. Joseph E. Pizzorno
regarding the herbal cures of Hulda clark. Pizzorno is an eminent ND who
founded Bastyr University - the first natural healing university in the country
and he points out the erroneous claims of Hulda Clark.
Have at it and if you don't believe what you read below then take up your
case with them, not me. Your "logic" doesn't hold a candle to
either of the gentlemen below.
Declaration of Peter W. Pappas, Ph.D.
May 9, 2001
Peter W. Pappas, Ph.D, pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 1746, hereby states as
1. My name is Peter W. Pappas. I am a United States citizen over the age of
18. I currently reside in Columbus, Ohio.
2. 1 have a B.A.degree in biology from Humboldt State University in Arcata,
California, awarded in 1966. In 1968 1 received an M.A. in Biology from Humboldt
State University. I received a Ph.D. in 1971 from the University of Oklahoma,
Norman, Oklahoma, in zoology, parasitology, and biochemistry. I served a
post-doctoral fellowship through the National Institutes of Health fi-om
1971-1973 at Rice University in Houston, Texas in parasitology, and served as
research associate at Rice in parasitology in 1973.
3. From 1973 until 2000 1 was a faculty member at The Ohio State University
in Columbus, Ohio. I served as an Assistant Professor from 1973 through 1977, as
an Associate Professor from 1978 through 1982 and as Professor of Zoology from
1983 through 2000. From 1989 through 1998 1 was chairman of the Department of
Zoology at Ohio State. (The Departments' name was changed to "Evolution,
Ecology, and Organismal Biology" in 2000.) In 1998 and 1999 1 was the
Director of the Introductory Biology Program at Ohio State. I am now retired
from Ohio State, having been awarded the title of Professor Emeritus, and I am a
technical consultant for LabBook-com in Columbus, Ohio. LabBook.com develops and
markets commercial software for managing laboratory information and mining
4. My specialized academic training is in the area of parasitology -- the
study of parasites. In general terms, "parasitologists" study all
aspects of the "biology of parasites," including, but not limited to,
(1) taxonomy and systematics, (2) life cycles, (3) pathology, (4) epidemiology
(including the distribution, control, and eradication of parasitic infections),
(5) and treatment of parasites and parasitic infections. Parasitologists might
specialize in one or more of the above areas, they might specialize in the study
of parasites infecting a specific host (e.g., "human parasitology"),
or they might specialize in other biological disciplines related directly to one
of the above areas (e.g., biochemistry of parasites in relation to
chemotherapy). Many biologists with specialized training in other biological
disciplines study parasites as "'model systems," including
evolutionary biologists, molecular biologists, taxonomists and systematists, and
ecologists. Parasitic organisms are extremely diverse -- virtually every major
group of animals has at least one member that is a "parasite," and in
some groups of animals all members are parasites. Just like parasites,
parasitologists are also extremely diverse in terms of "what" they
study and "why" they study it.
5. While a faculty member at Ohio State University, I maintained an active
research program in parasitology, primarily biochemistry, physiology, and cell
biology of parasites. I have published approximately 90 articles in refereed
scientific journals and edited three reference books. I have also served on the
editorial boards of five national/international parasitological journals, and I
currently serve as co-moderator of the primary parasitology news group on the
web (bionet.parasitology). My CV is attached.
6. At Ohio State University, my primary teaching responsibility for 27 years
was an advanced undergraduate/graduate-level course, Introductory Parasitology.
As part of maintaining the course's content with contemporary parasitological
concepts and principles, I have read extensively in many areas of parasitology
and "human parasitology." This includes reading and studying many
general, human, and veterinary parasitology textbooks written in the U.S. or
U.K., and extensive readings in the original literature (refereed scientific
journals). For the past five years I have maintained a large web site (Parasites
and Parasitological Resources) designed as (1) a teaching aid for college-level
students and (2) a source of information for the lay person. The web site
contains information on over 200 species of parasites and over 500 photographic
images of parasites, and most of the important parasites of humans are included.
During a typical month, the web site's home page receives more than 10,000 hits,
and the entire web site receives >150,000 hits. Through an e-mail link in
this web site, I receive and answer many questions from all over the world
regarding many aspects of parasitology. The web site's URL is www.biosci.ohio-state.edu/~parasite/home.html.
7. I became aware of Hulda Clark's claims regarding parasites and disease in
1996 when I developed my web site. As part of developing this web site, I
conducted extensive searches of the web for other parasitology sites. In
addition to sites that were clearly academic and instructional in content, I
came across many sites that espoused the belief of Hulda Clark that parasites
cause many diseases including cancer, AIDS, Alzheimer's disease, diabetes, etc.
Throughout my 33 years in academia, I had never heard of nor read about such a
theory. Initially, I simply ignored Hulda Clark and her theory, as I was simply
too busy. However, as my web site developed, I began to get e-mails asking for
my "opinion" about Clark and her theories. I also discovered that many
of the "proClark" web sites had copied copyrighted images from my web
site and were using them without my permission. Thus, I not only purchased
Clark's books, The Cure for All Cancers (1993), The Cure for HIV and
AIDS (1993), and The Cure for.All Diseases (1995), but I also began
an extensive search for and investigation of "pro-Clark" web sites.
Over the past few years, I have become familiar with Hulda Clark's theories and
many of the web sites that support her theories and sell various cures for
8. In her writings, Clark makes a number of claims about parasites and
disease. In The Cure for All Cancers, Clark states:
In this book you will see that all cancers are alike, They are all caused by
a parasite A single parasite! It is the human intestinal fluke. [Clark is
referring to Fasciolopsis buski, a parasitic flatworm.] And if you kill
this parasite, the cancer stops immediately. The tissue becomes normal again. In
order to get cancer, you must have this parasite.
9. In The Cure for HIV and AIDS, Clark states: "This [parasite]
is the source of the HIV virus (sic)" and a photograph of Fasciolopsis
buski follows. She goes on to say, "The HIV virus (sic) belongs to this
fluke," and "[I]f it establishes itself in the thymus, it causes
HIV/AIDS." Furthermore, in both of these books, Clark emphasizes that
effective treatment for this parasite (and, therefore, a cure for cancer, AIDS,
and may other diseases purportedly caused by this parasite) requires the use of
both herbal remedies and electrical devices "Zappers").
10. The claims of Hulda Clark (and many of the web sites that sell herbal
remedies and "Zapper") that (1) a single parasite causes cancer, AIDS,
and many other diseases, and that this parasite can be killed with electrical
devices ("Zappers") are not supported by competent and reliable
scientific evidence. This statement is based on the observations and
correspondence summarized below.
11. Cancer, AIDS, and many of the diseases that Clark claims are caused by Fasciolopsis
buski, are distributed world-wide, yet the distribution of this parasite is
limited to S.E. Asia.
12. Clark claims that she has diagnosed this parasite in everyone with
cancer, AIDS, and other diseases, and that she diagnoses these infections using
a "Syncrometer" (an electrical device that somehow indicates the
presence of parasites and/or toxins in the body.) However, the only reliable and
acceptable method for the diagnosis of Fasciolopsis buski infections in
humans is demonstrating the presence of the parasite's eggs in human feces.
Thus, her statement that "everyone" is infected with this parasite is
based on inaccurate diagnostic methodology. Moreover, if this parasite caused
all of these diseases, the parasite would be found during routine pathology
procedures. I have been unable to find any evidence that this parasite is found
during such routine procedures.
13. Clark's books contain a number of inaccurate statements about the biology
of Fasciolopsis buski and other parasites, so one must question her as an
authority on parasites or parasitic diseases. She misspells the scientific name
of the parasite; she spells the specific buskii, when the correct
spelling is buski. When discussing any species of living organism, the
correct spelling of the scientific name is essential. In The Cure for All
Cancers, the title for Figure 2 (which is not a photomicrograph) refers to
"strings of eggs from the parasite -- the parasite does not produce
"strings of eggs," and the eggs are microscopic (cannot be seen
without a microscope). Clark states tliat "[T]he adult [parasite], though,
stays tightly stuck to our intestine (or liver, causing cancer, or uterus,
causing endometriosis, or thymus, causing AIDS, or kidney, causing Hodgkin's
disease.)" The adult parasite does live in the small intestine, as stated
by Clark, but I have been unable to find any reports (other than Clark's) of
this parasite being found in the human uterus, thymus, or kidney. Clark states:
"Some of these eggs [produced by the adult parasites] batch in the
intestine or the blood." There is no credible evidence that the eggs of any
species of fluke will batch in the human intestine, or in the blood or time.
There are a few species of flukes in which the eggs normally enter the blood or
tissues (e.g., the schistosomes which cause schistosomiasis), but, even with
these species of parasites, the eggs do not hatch in the blood or tissue. Clark
states that "[w]e all have tapeworm stages in our bodies...." and
"[e]very tumor, benign or malignant, has a tapeworm stage in the middle of
it, even including warts." I have been unable to substantiate either of
these statements in the medical literature. Although Clark has an advanced
academic degree (a Ph.D. in physiology) and an N.D., she has no academic
training as a parasitologist and she clearly does not have a basic understanding
of the most fundamental parasitological principles.
14. There is overwhelming evidence in the form of peer-reviewed articles
appearing in scientific journals that virtually all types of cancer result from
the uncontrolled division of cells, and that the uncontrolled division of cells
has a genetic basis. That is, cancer is caused by the activation or inactivation
of specific genes that control the division of cells; it is not caused by a
parasite. If this parasite truly causes cancer and, therefore, kills thousands
of people each year, how could this parasite go unnoticed? Even in areas of the
world where Fasciolopsis buski is endemic, there are no published studies
that demonstrate (1) a relationship between this parasite and cancer and (2)
that curing this parasite cures cancer. The only studies that support these
theories are those mentioned in Clark's books, and her studies lack scientific
integrity. Similarly, there is overwhelming evidence that AIDS is caused by HIV
(human immunodeficiency virus), not a parasite.
Although there's some disagreement as to when and where HIV was introduced
first into the human population, it is clear that it was not a prevalent disease
until the early 1980s. However, Fasciolopsis buski has been recognized as
a human parasite for hundreds of years, a fact recognized by Clark in her books.
15. Hulda Clark believes that parasites cause many common diseases. In the
terminology of the scientific method, Clark is stating a hypothesis or statement
of belief. However, the scientific method requires that, for a hypothesis to be
accepted as a theory, the hypothesis must be tested. That is, controlled,
empirical, unbiased experiments must be done. Moreover, the experiments and
their results must be reviewed by other scientists to insure that the
experiments were conducted properly and that.the data are unbiased. This is what
differentiates good science from bad science. Herein lies a major flaw with
Clark's theories. Her hypotheses have not been tested using controlled
experiments, and her methods of collecting data are biased. Rather, most of the
diseases were diagnosed and treated by Clark, and Clark also claimed the
diseases were cured. Thus, Clark's "case histories" represent an
egregious example of a highly biased experimental protocol, and her theories are
based on bad science.
16. After reading Clark's books and receiving many e-mails asking questions
about Clark's theories, I tried to find information in the original literature.
(The articles in refereed scientific journals or reputable reference books) that
would support Clark's beliefs. Despite extensive searches of numerous major
academic and medical libraries and extensive scientific and medical databases, I
could not find a single article that supported Clark's theories about Fasciolopsis
buski and diseases.
17. In early 1999, I posted the following statement on my web site: Hulda
Regehr Clark claims that this parasite causes "all diseases, " cancer,
and HIV and AIDS, and several web sites use these claims in their advertisements
to sell various "cures "for these diseases. There are no
peer-reviewed, published, scientific studies demonstrating that Fasciolopsis
buski causes any of these diseases in humans. Furthermore, there are no
peer-reviewed, published, scientific studies demonstrating that the various
treatments, tinctures, cleanses, electrical devices (e.g., the
"Zapper"), etc., sold through these web pages have any therapeutic
18. In response to the appearance of this statement, I received several
e-mail messages from David Amrein, the President of the "Dr. Clark Research
Association." Mr. Amrein asked that I remove this statement from my web
site, and, in hopes of finding supporting information, I responded with the
following: "Tell me where I can find information that supports the theories
of Hulda Clark, information that has been published in peer-reviewed journals,
and I will remove the comments from my web page. In fact, if you tell me where I
can find this information, I will be more than happy to (1) include the
information in my web page and (2) add an apology to my web page. I await
anxiously your response." Despite my very clear request for information,
Mr. Amrein did not provide any information that would support Clark's theories.
19. Later in 1999, Mr. Tim Bolen (who is referred to as "a media
consultant" on the "Dr. Clark Research Association web site) and Mr.
Leo Regehr [Hulda Clark's brother] sent a number of e-mail messages to me and
various administrators at Ohio State University complaining about the statements
on the website. I made them the same offer that I made to Mr. Amrein. I received
no information that refutes the comments that are included in my web site. I
must assume that no such information exists.
I declare under penalty of perjury, that the foregoing statement is true and
Executed, this 9th day of May, 2001 at Columbus, Ohio.
Peter W. Pappas, Ph.D.
Link to Dr. (ND) Pizzorno: http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clarkaff/pizzorno.html
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