The BWH iodine debate first surfaced around the time the Moreless decided to call his black walnut tree an iodine tree and attempted to market the product as iodine. I think it's all just resurrecting an old irritant to Battie. But I do recall that even The V finally acknowledged that indeed BW has an iodine content. The matter (then) appears to be more about the content in BW vs. products such as Lugols or Iodoral, et cet. The matter has more to do with passion than data, sources, and facts.
I don't recall the V acknowledging walnut containing any I, but I could be wrong.
The only data I saw, was an iodine number associated with walnut, but as anyone of any reasonable level of knowledge is aware, iodine number is not reflective of iodine content at all.
I don't recall the V acknowledging walnut containing any I, but I could be wrong.
I sent a link on the iodine content in a PM, and the response was that they did not feel the analysis was credible. So I posted the analysis listed in the book Nutritional Herbology and the other person is still denying that black walnut hull contains iodine.
I woudln't consider that significant at all, rather, insignificant.
15 ppm = fifteen milligrams per kilogram.
So for every kilogram (2.2 pounds) of walnut hulls, whatever, you get 15 mg, provided the information is correct.
If someone wants to ingest 2 pounds of something to get 15 mg of iodine, that's their choice.
If someone wants to process a source that is only 15 ppm to provide a tincture, concentrate, or whatever, I'd say its a poor business decision since so many other sources abound having higher concentrations.
As far as iodine I think people should do, not do, take, do not take, whatever they deem best for themselves. Kelp, walnut hull, whatever others want to do isn't my responsibility, fortunately.
I woudln't consider that significant at all, rather, insignificant.
15 ppm = fifteen milligrams per kilogram.
So for every kilogram (2.2 pounds) of walnut hulls, whatever, you get 15 mg, provided the information is correct.
If someone wants to ingest 2 pounds of something to get 15 mg of iodine, that's their choice.
If someone wants to process a source that is only 15 ppm to provide a tincture, concentrate, or whatever, I'd say its a poor business decision since so many other sources abound having higher concentrations.
15ppm is considered significant since it is sufficient for human health. And this does not even include what we get from dietary sources.
And more is not always better. Too much iodine can cause toxicity. Maybe this is why I have seen so many people report adverse effects from using Lugol's. If we want to overload the body with chemicals for the old shotgun approach this is what we have pharmaceuticals for.
I say 15 ppm is not significant, you say it is significant. Does any reasonable person engage in arguing over such pittances with people who post under internet aliases ?
When a person desires to ingest the 50 mg a day shown to be necessary and effective in alleviating their FBD, just tell them to ingest the significant iodine found in six pounds of walnut hulls daily and see how far that goes.
If you want to bring yourself up to speed on iodine, talk with women and men who are experienced with it, and read from the works of the many MD's clinically experienced with patients ingesting fifty milligrams and more on a daily basis over extended periods of time, and the results and effects of same.
And again the body requires micrograms of iodine, not grams. One of the reasons people have so many adverse effects to pharmaceutical drugs is because the drug companies like to over dose people with compounds the body only requires in small amounts. And megadosing people is just asking for imbalances that are going to lead to other problems in the long run such as thyrotoxicosis.You may want to look at the first abstract in this link:
http://www.iodine4health.com/ortho/toxicity.htm
Note where they say " It is concluded that some individuals can tolerate very high levels of iodine with no apparent side effects and that iodine intakes less than or equal to 1.000 mg/day are probably safe for the majority of the population, but may cause adverse effects in some individuals. Determination of maximum tolerable levels of iodine intake will require human experimental studies at levels between 0.150 and 1.000 mg/day for normal subjects, subjects with autonomous thyroid tissue, and iodine-sensitive subjects."
So we see some individuals can have adverse effects at ONE milligram and you are talking about 50mg?!!!
And another one:
"The strongest data suggest that low levels of iodine (1-5 mg/day) are safe for most people for years. It should be noted that Freund et al. (48) supplied 1 mg/L iodine in water, not 1 mg/day, and estimated the average daily intake as 2-4 mg/day.Well-controlled experimental trials have evaluated intermediate levels of iodine from 10 to 32 mg/day for up to 3 months. These levels consistently cause subclinical changes in thyroid function, and may cause thyroid enlargement, but clinical hypothyroidism was not observed. "
And:
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Mineral+Toxicity "Iodine toxicity can result from an intake of 2.0 mg of iodide per day. The toxicity results in impairment of the creation of thyroid hormone, resulting in lower levels of thyroid hormone in the bloodstream. The thyroid gland enlarges, as a consequence, and goiter is produced. This enlargement is also called hyperthyroidism. Goiter is usually caused by iodine deficiency. In addition to goiter, iodine toxicity produces ulcers on the skin. This condition has been called "kelp acne," because of its association with eating kelp, an ocean plant, which contains high levels of iodine. Iodine toxicity occurs in Japan, where large amounts of seaweed are consumed."
And:
"Studies using 3.0- to 6.0-mg doses to effectively treat fibrocystic breast disease may reveal an important role for iodine in maintaining normal breast tissue architecture and function. Iodine may also have important antioxidant functions in breast tissue and other tissues that concentrate iodine via the sodium iodide symporter."
Wow, 3 to 6mg daily is effective to treat FBD. Yet some quack is claiming that 50mg daily, which is well over what is needed to cause thyrotoxicosis, is "necessary" for treating FBD. Maybe they should do some real research and stop fooling around with people's health before they really hurt someone!!!
If you have a problem with what Miller MD writes, email him, but there is no way you can ever refute any of this.
Likewise, if you have a problem with what this Guy writes, take it up with him. We've spoken and he is a wise man, an MD former professor who has worked with iodine throughout much of his career.
I woudln't consider that significant at all, rather, insignificant.
15 ppm = fifteen milligrams per kilogram.
So for every kilogram (2.2 pounds) of walnut hulls, whatever, you get 15 mg, provided the information is correct.
If someone wants to ingest 2 pounds of something to get 15 mg of iodine, that's their choice.
Since we are doing calculations let's look at if 15mg is significant or not. The RDA for iodine is 150MICROgrams. A microgram is one thousandth of a milligram. Therefore the RDA for iodine in grams is 0.00015g, requiring only 2.2g of black walnut hull. So you still want to try to ingest anything for a dose of 15mg of iodine even though this is way more than is required by the body? This is why people end up in trouble so many times with alternative medicines. They tend to think that if a little of something is good then more must be better.
Yes, but rather than read that site, why not go straight to the book he references, "Overcoming Thyroid Disorders", by Dr. David Brownstein? Or, we can just go to http://www.optimox.com
and read the writings of the Iodine project participants, Prof. Guy Abrahams, Dr. David Brownstein and Dr. Jorge Fleschas.
Obvious by reading the other blog entries that he's familiar with Brownstein, at least:)
is it freeze dried black walnut hulls that i need hve?
a SCIO test aswell as hair test a few years ago indicates iodine deficiency i tried lugols and iodoral and was told over at the other forum to just keep upping my dose but it didnt work and in the end it was making me quite anxious.
There's a very simple solution to this debate. Run clinical trials using the same protocol as used for ortho-iodine supplementation... 5 groups... and only change the iodine. One on the standard ortho-iodine supplementation protocol, one using low dose iodine such as J. Crow has suggested, one using a natural source, one just using the companion nutrients of the protocol and one using a placebo.
If anybody's going to talk science where iodine is concerned then they need to back it up with REAL science! This ain't rocket science!
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