I can't see many of the things you listed causing kidney problems and hypothyroid. It had to be something you were eating in conjunction. And the reason you were probably feeling worse and worse was because your body wasn't eliminating the toxic load from the candida die-off. In order for your body to do this correctly your liver and gallbladder need to be functioning properly which you can assist by taking milk thistle and dandelion. Also, you need to take a fiber supplement like psyllium husk, or aloe vera to speed transit time and help keep good bacteria flourishing. There are many factors here as to why you ended up feeling "worse and worse". Another thing, is that colloidal silver (although touted as healthy) is actually poisonous to the body (do your own research on this and you'll agree). Maybe that's why you ended up with kidney problems. As for hypothyroid problems, that's most likely related to diet. Were you consuming a lot of soy or containing products? This could be a contributing factor.
Sounds like you don't understand the Herxheimer Effect, dude. Most things DO make you sicker for a while because they are working and cleaning out your body.
I have been prescribing Three Lac to patients for a long time. It is my understanding that this product should be used for only 3 weeks and not indefinitely. Depending upon how bad the candida is...dictates 2-3 packets per day of three-lac. I have the patient do the spit test to show them that they have candida. After 3 weeks the spit test shows negative and the candida is gone. One must take the proper minerals so that the craving for sugar is gone and the candida does not return. This is a 3 week program...and not a permanent situation.
Almost every ThreeLac site out there infers that this is a long. long. LONG term program and that the patient will have to remain on ThreeLac for life in some maintenance form or the other.
If dishonest sales reps (online) are going to play that game with what is already an expensive product, ThreeLac - no matter how good it might be - will go down the tubes in a hurry!
It's like the written material about Candida being transmitted by sex (as if it was a specific bacteria like Syphllis or virus like AIDS) or een kissing... and if you have it then your whole family has to have it and so forth. Or that up to 80% (0r 87%, etc.) of the national population suffers from Candida (wait a minute, I thought Candida is a pretty serious disease?)... Unless there's some technical evidence to back that up, then dishonest dealers are simply using scare tactics to hype more sales.
And I'm not one of the anti-Candida crowd as my mother had it for years and kept getting misdiagnosed (asthma, pinched nerves, chronic bronchitis, etc.). She cleared hers up with Myrrh tincture, garlic supplements, Shaklee products (vitamins, minerals, protein, probiotics, etc.)... but still to this day has relapses if she falls back into eating sugary products (though moderate refined carbs are tolerated quite well).
Further, an individual who I have been working with has recently suggested that some serious problems that I have been experiencing for almost a year now might actually be a candida problem (with all of the developed side effects) rather than all the various things that the regular docs have been diagnosing so far....
Yes...Candida is a serious disease and I have found that over 80% of the people I treat have Candida. The product works in 3 weeks and I have found that most of the time it is a pretty permanent situation unless the sugar is abused.
How did you find that out? That 80% of the people that you treat (are you a doctor, BTW?) have candida. Actually, according to medical books, EVERYBODY that you treat should have candida as it is a natural substance in the body.
Are you refering to Candida Fungal Infestation, or just that they had Candida? If these were people coming to you with an intelligent concern that they did have Candida Fungal Infestation then it shouldn't be surprising that 80% of them did in fact have it.
But this doesn't mean that 80% of the population at large has Candida problems. I know a lot of people and can only think of a very few who have Candida problems. And only in one case does someone else in the immediate family/household also have it.
Were medical tests run (such as the Candida Antibody Panel) to determine that there was an actual Candida problem or simply unscientific questionnaires performed? Or the so-called "Free Saliva Test" (which almost everyone who I have had try it has "failed " it... and my mother - who has severe candida problems - readily passed it, even during the midst of her latest relapse).
I have been burned so many times that I no longer trust ANY information that is dessiminated by someone who markets the product that they are making the claims for. Whether it's a pharmaceutical citing their own studies or suppleemnt retailers hyping their claims (for their specific product naturally).
Does Threelac offer any clinical trials or studies showing the effectiveness of their product? Obviously if they are such a large company and have such tremendous sales and are international in scope, they would readily conduct such trials (look at the number of studies done to show the effectiveness of St John's Wort, samE, etc., etc... where are the similar trials involving ThreeLac? Or comparing ThreeLac with products such as Primal Defense or Candex, etc.?
In response to your comments I am not an "RD" "real doctor". I am not a fan of drugs or surgery. People do not come to me with candida problems. I discover them. I scan the body energetically and get results. That is the bottom line. After 3 weeks of taking 3-Lac...the saliva test proves negative. Sometimes we analyze things too much. I do what works. And I stay open to possibilities. I use a modality similar to acupuncture, but do not break the skin. I feel it is about ten times more powerful than standard acupuncture procedure, but I use standard acupuncture protocols. I have been using nano technology patches to balance the cells and organs in the body. If you would like more information about this technology you can contact me at cli@bellsouth.net or go directly to http://www.lifewave.com/bionic . The Olympic teams are using these patches with much success and they are proven to be legal by the judges because of the fact that nothing enters the body. Upon two years of double blind studies they have proven that these patches turn fat into energy.
Can understand that a lot. It's just in my case I have a very complicated situation that I'm just atrting to realize that "might" be connected to a candida problem. And what is surprising is that my mother had a candida problem for years and years befoer they found out what it was. She had breathing problems and was diagnosed with everything from asthma to chronic bronchitis to a piched nerve in her rib cage, etc., etc.
She finally was briefly examined by a nutritionalist who told her that she had candida infestation and "prescribed" for her Myrhh tincture, Pau D'Arco, and garlic and to take Shaklee protein and probiotics... and told her to cut out ALL sugary products and to limit refined carbs. My Mom went through a couple tough weeks with "die off" but quickly got better after that. To this day does well other than when she has relapses due to letting her diet slip (note: she can eat most breads, drink milk, eat most pastas, etc. okay, just has relapses with sugary foodslike pies, ice cream, cakes, etc.).
This was after she had been to numerous doctors, specialists, etc., etc. Also, a few years later, her youngest sister was diagnosed with MS. The same nutritionist checked out my aunt and said she also said my aunt had candida infestation and put my aunt on a similar regimen. With excellent results. No more MS symptoms.
So you would think that in my case I would be more inclined to look at candida problems. It's just that my case has been so complicated and seemingly came on out of nowhere... though I can now see where the condition was probably perculating for years.
My situation started with a severe bout of anxiety in June of 2004. Prior to that I had been treated for anxiety (milder) from July 2002 until February of 2004. Prior to that I had extended time period of very high stress from around 1996 until 2002. I believe that the high levels of stress from 1996 through 2002 caused a steady increase in cortisol levels. That increase in the cortisol was then elevated in the time period of 2002 through 2004. There was then a "momentary break in the action" (2/04 until 6/05, though cortisol secretions probably continued at high levels). Then in June of 2004 the bottom fell out when extremely severe anxiety started up.
My main symptoms didn't start up until the severe anxiety hit in June of 2004. Then the symptoms of prostatitis (burning urethra and dripping of the urine after urination), complete loss of libido, complete Erectile Dysfunction , extremely cold feet, somewhat cold hands, symptoms of tingling/stinging sensations in hands/lower arms and feet/lower legs, tinnitus, insomnia - and several other more "minor" symptoms (*) all came about within about 2 - 3 weeks of the severe anxiety. The major symptoms were very strong right from the start. The “minor” symptoms were generally present early on, but fluctuate in occurrence and intensity.
I have been through numerous rounds of advanced testing since then. I was found to have sub-normal levels of testosterone and was put on testosterone replacement therapy (August 2004). I was found to have very high levels of cortisol (Sept 2004) and was at one point diagnosed with Cushing's Disease (more advanced testing ruled that out). A tumor was found on my left adrenal gland and concern was raised that it was either Cushing's Syndrome or was a Pheo tumor. More advanced testing ruled both of those out.
My cortisol levels were extremely high - almost six times normal ranges - in Sept/Oct of 2004 and then dropped slightly through the end of the year, then dropped significantly for a couple of months (but still well above normal ranges) and then recently climbed back up again to twice normal ranges. Also my urinary creatinine levels have been elevated above normal ranges on every 24-hour urine test that I have taken since last September (probably 10 - 12).
Most recent tests have also shown that my epinephrine levels are in low normal ranges and that my norepinephrine levels are in well below normal ranges.
I have been involved in psychiatric therapy (both talk therapy also with EMDR and prescription medication to include my current Xanax for severely high anxiety) since last September.
Note: In February of 2004 my weight had climbed - over 2 years - from around 230 lbs (former weight lifter - no steroids, hadn't lifted since about 1998) to around 295 lbs. After initial round of anxiety cleared up in Feb 2004, I started back working out and dropped weight down to 245 lbs by July of 2004. Since then weight has fluctuated back and forth 250 - 270) regardless of diet or exercise. Also have lost an inch of height in the last 2 years.
* Other symptoms: moderate fatigue, short term memory problems (mild), occasional very strong tightness in the neck and shoulders, poor sleep, tightness in chest, white coated tongue, periodic frequent urination, periodic headaches, occasional visual blurring, milder sensitivity to bright light, moderate depression (primarily anxiety problem), irritability, panic attacks (primarily earlier), personality changes, mood swings, chills - cold intolerance, periodic night sweats, occasional shortness of breath, occasional lightheadedness, occasional balance problems, sensitivity to cold, irregular heartbeat, some constipation, generally sluggish bowels, abdominal bloating after eating, periodic abdominal tenderness, (mild) low body temperature, tingling/stinging sensations in feet/lower legs and hands/lower arms, also itching sensation across torso and face, mild "burning mouth" symptoms, mild difficulty swallowing, rashes (mainly on upper chest, but periodic flushing of upper torso and itchiness that comes and goes on several body areas), dry/flaking skin, periodic jock and rectal itching, recent toenail fungus, sensitivity to loud noises (startles), weight changes without changes in diet, and periodic feeling in a fog sensations.
Now what gets me is that I have since been told that everyone of these symptoms are listed on various candida problem sites as candida problem symptoms... I was shocked as I never realized there were so many... and from what I've since researched, there's even more symptoms than those that I have...
(Question: Do you know if those symptom lists are pretty accurate or are they more sales hype listings?).
So now I don't know what to do. I'd like to try some type of anti-candida infestation regimen "just in case'.... Right now the main "experts" just don't seem to know. You refer to "scanning the body energetically"... exactly what is that? Believe me, if I could turn all of this around with ThreeLac, I'd jump all over it.
BTW, have you compared ThreeLac with any of the other main products (like Candex, Primal Defense, or Total Immunity Booster to name a few others)?
Finally, do you actually sell ThreeLac or just recommend it?
Seems as though you have been through a lot... I would think that the medications you take are creating more symptoms and contraindications. Though...I don't think that candida is your problem! To answer your questions..I do not sell 3-Lac but do recommend it as needed as I do other supplements. I am familiar with Primal Defense, etc. Sounds like you have an adrenal problem. Also...I think that your priority is your spleen and also testicle area. Did you check out the website http://www.lifewave.com/bionic? I would recommend that you wear these patches every other day for one month. They help to balance the cells and the organs. There is a video at the site and also below that is a 24 page article explaining the technology/science. I believe that if you wear these patches for one month that you might improve about 40%. This is just my suggestion. I know that they have balanced my adrenal glands and this in fact put my back into place. A one month's supply is about $70.00. Certainly worth trying. You did not mention your diet at all...nor did you reveal your name??? Let me know if I can be of help to you. Let me know what you think of the website.
Jeff
It is interesting to read these problems that some readers seem to have with Candida . Threelac has been banded by some as a cure all . In some ways it may well be . You have to understand a number of basic points about ones body to be able to see why that may be so . You also have to realise that your body is quite finely tuned and that eating the way we do today does pose problems for our digestive tracts. Modern medicines, although excellent in many ways cannot foresee some of damage that they do to our Intestinal Bacterial cultures. The result of antibiotics, long term poor food or just a straightforward stomach bug can damage the beneficial bacterial colonies in our intestines. This is what we call Dysbiosis or a state of imbalance of intestinal bacterial flora.
A healthy human intestine has some 300+ specie of bacteria. These are predominantly beneficial in a healthy person and responsible for a range of essential duties. The intestines are also home to a small number of harmful bacteria, usually kept in check by the abundance of beneficial bacteria. The balance is the important element. While the friendly ones predominate all is healthy, but imbalance allows the pathogenic (harmful) organisms to grow out of control.
Beneficial bacteria actively manufacture nutrients and chemicals( Vit B12 and K) that are an essential part of our metabolism and play a role in a whole range of the body’s needs, including immune function and hormone regulation. Minerals Magnesium, Calcium, Zinc and Iron are only absorbed with the help of bacteria. When bacteria are damaged, not only do we suffer from the deficiencies of these nutrients and chemical reactions but the pathogenic bacteria are able to infect and create toxins which the body ( liver and intestines )cannot detoxify. The beneficial bacteria are essential for detoxification. These toxins damage body tissues and some are known carcinogens. Other bacteria have been directly implicated in immune disorders that lead to disease.
But I have digressed into the complexity of the problem, so back to the issue.
Once you have accepted that this be true you need to undestand that the principle of re-colonising the intestines with beneficial bacteria is important. This will redress the balance and knock out any harmful pathogens. You also need to understand a little about Candida , and its life. Simply put it is a fungus, living agressively in situations where the immune system has been compromised ( remembering that the intestines are fundamental to the immune function). Candida is a parasite , one that is more prevalent today than ever ( not to be alarmist - but just to be considered seriously). Its method of colonisation is not to kill its host but to colonise where it can. So the first place is the gut. But it does outgrow its surrounding and then becomes invasive, growing finger like projections. This allows it to puncture the gut wall ( and all the problems that entails ). ...But the typical Candida symtoms are not a result of the puncture but of the waste products and the breakdown of these waste products. This is what gives the symptoms of Candida ( and that is while it is living normally- un tackled) so after you accept that concept you arrive at the product that helps fight a fungal infection. Antifungals whether drug derived or probiotic will kill Candida . Accept that concept and then you get to the need to deal with the waste products of that dead material. The liver function ( that of detoxifying chemicals ) has been overloaded for a long time ( Candida symptoms appear only as a result of the liver being overloaded - it can probably manage for many years in the background without you even feeling the effects of having Candida). So now its overloaded. It has a new wave of toxins form the effects of you killing off the Candida . It cannot manage it at the same speed as you are continuing to kill off the Candida . This is what makes so many feel so unwell. This is where the problems of " Threelac is a scam" originate . One of the writers is precise in his advice , "modulate your dose , even stop for a couple of days" to let the liver play catch up. Naturally , no one person will have an equal liver function / Candida kill off ratio , so it is very difficult to say how much "antifungal" one should take and how long the process of eradication will be . But that means we all have to become responsible for ourselves. That is not soemthing we are good at anymore . We can easily find someone to take the rap for something not being exactly as it says on the tin!.
Digressing again . So if you accept the principle of the Liver function, and the need to modulate your own dose accordingly you should hsve the principle for getting yourself better .
It is vastly more complex than that . It does include diet changes .It requires an understabding of the gut bacterial flora, and what they need to feed on ( fibre) and it may well be that you need to find the source of the original "dysbiosis". There is ample chat on this forum for parasite problems . That does need to be considered as a reason for the return of Candida. The other main reason for the return is that although you may have beaten the Candida fungus , the balance of bacteria has not been adressed. The re-colonising of beneficial bacteria is important - and then offering them the right foodstuffs ( in your diet - not as a supplement !). This allows your body to do eaht it has been "designed" to do. Once you allow it to absorb all those essential minerals vitamins and balance its pH ( acidity) then you have the secrets of a healthy life .
It does sound simple in the end - perhaps preventing a dysbiosis in the first place would be preferable , but we ask for so much today by way of quick this that and the other , that we are not listening to what our bodies actually need. - that sounds a little facile - apologies.
In sum . Those that take too much Threelac do have problems . This is widely written about . It is the waste material of Candida ( but very often mis-represented as the healing crisis).
I have worked with Candida and Threelac as www.candidafree.co.uk. If anyone reading this would like to take up the argument please do - for all to see - but please don't put people off from trying something that has improved the life of hundreds of thousands of people- .
I have written a number of times that I would follow anybody through the process - even if they don't buy from me . This (and other related , intestinal bacterial support supplements) have helped a very large number of people to improve their lives and get rid of something that the current thinking of standard Medical practitioners have not bee able to help . Intestinal flora health is probably one of the most important routes to prevention of a great many of the ills which have evaded to specialists.
I am sure you have a reason to be weary , and I would like it if you came out with a credible counter argument and not just feel you are being clever by slagging something which does actually help people to recover some/ a great deal/ all of their health back.
Send me your details - I have a questionnaire you could complete - see the website for the link http://www.candidafree.co.uk
Yes I plainly sell Threelac , but if it changed your life in the way it did mine , you would scream it from the rooftops !
I would also like to shout it from the roof tops. I have had candida for 20 years: I have tried all the different kind of remedies, met all the different charlatans, from people pushing my arms into the side of my body in some sort of dousing ritual, to some woman telling me it was all down to some bearded chap saying "boo!" to me in my pram. Yeah, right. I have tried all kinds of extracts, miracle cures from the States, garlic ad infinitum, yoghurt, yoga, water therapy, grapefruit extract, etc, etc, etc.
Since taking threelac, I now for the first time in 20 years really feel there is hope of a cure for me.
I noticed a small improvement almost straight away, with symptoms disappearing that I hadn't even realised were linked to the candida. Five months into the treatment, progress is still steady but sure. Usually, in the summer, my symptoms are unbearable: horrendous and painful anxiety attacks, deep depression, constant and agonising food allergies, and so on. This year, what bliss: I've had none of that. And despite the return of some of the symptoms since the onset of the sunny months, this summer has been a real major treat. Fantastic and wonderful. I am finally enjoying myself!
I feel sad for the people who haven't had much success with threelac, but would agree with Candida Free, that they shouldn't deter other people from trying the product. Everyone's experience is different. For me, Threelac is fabulous. Having followed a carefully and caringly prepared information sheet sent with my first order (which said quite clearly to avoid sugary products, mushrooms, alcohol and to take a good probiotic to repopulate the bowel), I have had very little in the form of die-off / herxheimer's effect; and certainly nothing I couldn't cope with. In the past, products such as grapefruit extract gave me the most horrendous die-off, truly horrendous, and some product from the States touted as a cure, made me feel completely suicidal.
But Threelac should be wisely used. My own regimen: I think it is really important to take the threelac in conjunction with the Oxygen elements plus. I also take Solgar's probiotic Advanced 40+, which helps repopulate the bowel. It has an enteric coating, ensuring the bacteria's safe journey through the intestines. On it's own though, Solgar's product does not get rid of the candida. Well not for me at any rate. At approximately 10 euros for 2 months supply, it's really cheap, and good, and works.
I think it also very important to make sure you are eating a very varied diet, with lots of different types of organic vegetables. The organic vegetables contain bacteria that are good for repopulating the bowel. These bacteria don't normally make it to your usual pesticide-loaded, sterile-as-a-result ordinary vegetable. To vary my diet I have bought lots of different (cheap) "quick and easy" recipe books, so that recipes are in keeping with a modern quick and easy life style. As a result, I get to eat all different kinds of vegetables, with a minimum of effort. It is also important to drink loads of water (obviously without over doing it) - possibly not tap water. I've found that if I'm having problems with symptoms, its invariably because I'm dehydrated, and not because threelac isn't working. I think with candida you have to drink more water than most people.
It's also important not to cook your vegetables to smithereens. Cook them gently in a pan with a lid in their own juices, with a little organic olive oil on the bottom. My own experience shows me that pressure cookers kill a lot of the vitamins - this form of cooking is too violent. My experience has also shown me that you shouldn't use microwaves, frozen food, or freeze food you make to eat later - I'm convinced you lose the nutrients. It should all be as fresh as possible. As I have a deficiency in the B vitamins and iron (probably as a result of the candida), I also eat a little meat everyday to tide me over - but not loads.
Anyway, the end result is I feel fab for the first time in 20 years. Gone are the anxiety attacks, the feelings of unreality, the motor symptoms (sometimes I can't physically form my words, and at the same time my brain feels it's having enormous electric shocks), the depression, the lack of energy, the agonising pain, as though all my nerves are exposed, for having just eaten the wrong thing, my throat closes up, my eyes itch, etc, etc.
I am now doing things that since the age of 21 I've only ever dreamed about. I feel absolutely alive.
I would be interested in knowing the daily regimen of those people disappointed with threelac. May be we can help pinpoint why threelac doesn't work for them.
...threelac's not a scam, it's a legitimate blend of probiotics and the encapsulation is great, but the product itself? Nowhere near as good as it is claimed.
Yes, it does seem to work wonders in the beginning -- for me, just finding out that I could feel that good was a revelation.
But if you're suffering from systemic candida that is very severe, you need four or more packets a day, and after a while, your yeast mutates and the threelac does NOTHING for it.
a year and a half off it now for me, and only recently when I pulled out a packet from an old can did I feel that I had a teensy partial beneficial effect (and I certainly won't buy it again).
So far as oxygen elements goes, the same principle in action -- great at the beginning, useless later on.
Go on eBay and get yourself a second-hand alpine ozone air cleaner instead, one for each floor of your house if you can afford it (if you use a snipe tool this time of year, and decide in advance what your max is, you should not pay over $150 -- replacement plates are super-cheap now on ebay so don't pay extra for extra ones.
And while you're there, I recently found primal defense 90 caplet size for 28.75 a bottle, about five bucks shipping. For me, it's been old faithful when it comes to the probiotic category -- not that it or anything else is a stand-alone product. Wellness can't be separated from what's whole, at least for me.
I have been using ThreeLac for six months and have had the exact opposite experience. I will probably go from the initial therapy of four packets a day to the ongoing maintenance dose of one packet a day next month. I had a howling monster of candida rash in my groin area, and now it's gone. Even before it was gone, it was being mitigated enough that it gave me my quality of life back.
I'm sorry to hear that you had the experience that you did with ThreeLac. Candidiasis is as complex a phenomenon as it is a monstrous one, and I'm thinking either your physiology had a bad reaction to one of the lactic acids in ThreeLac (in the way that some people are lactose-intolerant, though I'm not sure if lactic acids and lactose are the same thing, I'm just guessing) or you have some other complicating factor. But I don't think that means that you should run around the Internet telling people that Threelac is a scam just because it didn't work for *you*.
I used Threelac for 6 months and developed serious intestinal chronic problems, as a result of the Enterococcus Faecalis bacteria used as an ingrediant.
The difficulty in treating these intestinal problems has been very frustrating with no resolution to this day.
I would advise anyone thinking about using Threelac to do their diligence on Enterococcus Faecalis (seperate from the Threelac sites or affiliate sites) before making their commitment. I wish I would have had this information before using Threelac to make a more informed decision.
Here's the topline on Enterococcus faecalis used in Threelac:
Enterococcus faecalis is a saprophytic commensal that inhabits the oral cavity and gastrointestinal flora of humans and animals. However, it can behave as an opportunistic pathogen causing severe urinary tract infections, surgical wound infections, bacteremia, and bacterial endocarditis. Over the past 2 decades, E. faecalis has become responsible for up to 12% of nosocomial infections, with mortality rates for bloodstream infections ranging from 20 to 68% depending on the patient population. The increased incidence of E. faecalis infection has been related to the innate resistance of this microorganism to many commonly used antimicrobial agents and to its ability to become resistant to most, and in some cases to all, of the presently available antibiotics, either by mutation or by incorporation of foreign genetic material. There's lot's more problems associated with it use if you dare to do your own diligence.
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