I picked up the ultra gentle soap you recommended (EO). I was just wondering what you think is the best way to use it. Should I rub it directly onto my lips? Soak my lips in it? Also do you think its best to use it after every meal? There are a lot of ways I can go about using it so I just wanted some general advice.
Btw for anyone wondering, I plan to use the acidophilus liquid in a few weeks time after using the soap.
Thanks a lot for the very thorough guide, it'll really help me. As far as allegies go, I don't think I have any but I may start eliminating products one by one to see if there is any effect. I do have a fungal infection on my feet though and am using an athletes foot spray to try and get rid of it.
(Btw I am using the Mint and Tea Tree EO Soap)
A quick qustion about Glygerin though, did you purchase it in raw form? I've seen products like 'Boots Glycerin' but I'm not sure if it's the right type.
It's hilarious that they say ominously "this is a medicine" and "you have to be home to sign for it", as if it's oxycontin or something that anyone other than the purchaser would use for nefarious ends. Must be some kind of EU health and safety regulation. This stuff is one of the most common ingredients around, in foods, in personal products. You can even cook with it, as a low-cal sweetener.
This might be a reference before your time, but when I use Glycerin, I think of the Bush (Gavin Rossdale) song "Glycerine" from my "slacker" days in the early/mid 90s - ha ha. Love the song. They weren't big in the UK but they were really big in the US (thus, Gwen Stefani).
Also -- Jas --
If you have it already, I don't think there is any reason why you need to wait to use the acidophilus. Especially if the acidophilus is touted as a cure for cheilitis, while my EO/washing/glycerin routine is a comforting, hygenic practice that is conducive to the body's healing, but is not a cure on its own, at least in my case.
You can do both at the same time.
I would suggest: Wake up, brush teeth, shower or whatever, wash lips with EO soap, put glycerin on lips and let dry, eat breakfast, take a swig of acidophilus liquid and swish around in mouth, swallow the liquid (good for the digestion), put a coating of acidophilus liquid on your lips (either with no glycerin, or with glycerin on top of the *dried* acidophilus if you want to counteract the apparent drying effect of the acidophilus), and leave the acidophilus on the lips for a few hours until you next eat.
Then, after lunch, wash with EO soap, put glycerin on, and repeat the soap/glycerin routine the rest of the day, whenever you eat something or brush your teeth again.
Or, you could just try the acidophilus on its own for a week, as Badlips recommends, and see how it goes. If acidophilus is going to be the cure for you, I'm sure that this will become clear within a week.
The EO soap is a lovely hand soap anyway, so your money on it wouldn't be wasted if you end up having healthy lips and don't need it anymore! :-)
EO is a good soap to use on your lips after your lips heal, and you stop using acidophilus. But if you are going to use it while you are using acidophilus on lips, I just would not apply it on the stubborn, raw upper lip since getting it wet (by washing soap on it) interferes with it forming a scab.
As must be clear by now, I disagree with Badlips about this, and I think washing the lips 4 times a day and swishing the mouth with acidophilus once a day are not incompatible.
In fact, I hope everyone washes their lips at least twice a day, when they are washing their face morning and night, even if they don't use a different soap than they are using on the rest of their faces. I'm sure your doctor would agree.
And not everyone has a raw area on his/her upper lip. I don't, even though my bottom lip has had cheilitis for over a year.
But the proof is in the pudding, and if acidophilus cures cheilitis, in about a week, we will have a lot of cured forum members!
This soap contains tea tree oil, which is a natural antibacterial. That means it will kill the good bacteria (acidophilus) you apply on your lips. If you want to use antibacterial soap, just don't use it while you are using acidophilus liquid.
When I washed my lips with the EO soap while on acidophilus, it made my upper lip white mushy. So, I had to stop using it.
What exactly is your data source to show that "most people with cheilitis" have an upper lip raw triangle? Is it the handful of people on this forum who have said that they have, in comparison to the thousands of people in the world with cheilitis who have never even heard of this forum?
Badlips, you are making so many health and medical claims from your own imagination, though some are perhaps from your own personal experience (which is not the entirety of all cheilitis knowledge in the world), and some of your claims seem to be beyond your level of medical training, and maybe now that you are entirely cured and have started 20 of the last 30 threads here (all on the very same topic), you can step away from the forum for a breather.
Not everyone has "bad bacteria", not everyone is going to have their cheilitis cured with acidophilus, and not everyone has the very same experience as you. You can bang on about it all you want, but you are approaching Kid8 in terms of zeal.
I'm probably not going to use the acidophilus liquid whilst using the soap. Disregarding any of the differing theories you guys have, I just don't want to use too many things at once.
Do you guys think its wise to use a cream based moisturiser whilst doing the wash soap method? I've used Bepanthen (a cream for nappy rash lol) for a few weeks now and its worked amazingly well. 64643 made a good point about creams providing only temporary relief and actually feeding a potential fungal infection. I don't want to be doing good work using the soap and then conteract it using a cream. This is a real point of contention for me so anybody's thoughts on the topic would be really helpful.
Jasman, I would try the glycerin. There is no downside to trying it -- it's cheap, easy to get, and harmless. It will only help your lips. I think it's much better than a cream to use after the soap.
Exfoliative cheilitis is a form of cheilitis. Ask your doctor if this is not so.
I also have exfoliative cheilitis.
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For someone trained as a medical researcher, you make some leaps of logic and unsupported assertions. You also get some facts wrong.
Some readers of this forum are ready to believe anything they read, so I don't think it's responsible for any of us to be throwing out conjectures as facts.
You have to give badlips credit because if you have too much bad bacteria built up in you overtime from foods and antiboitics, it can cause cheilitis or some type of eczema condition. Many people who eat fast foods or foods with chemicals and preservatives 99% of the time they develop a skin condtion like acne in their teens or adult years. So, when you have bad bacteria, allergies and vitamin deficiencies will occur in the body.
By the way thanks badlips for staying on this forum and helping people. Even if people don't get cured, the information about bad bacteria is very important.
Do you have any medical sources for your assertions?
Doctors? Research studies? Medical textbooks?
"99% of the time" people develop a skin condition when they eat fast food? Where did you get that percentage?
Do any of you have any proof that you have "bad bacteria"? Surely some of you have doctors and have had tests done. Let alone proof that "bad bacteria" are causing your lips to exfoliate.
Many of you guys are engaging in magical thinking. I'm afraid just believing something doesn't make it a fact.
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