Did a week's lemonwater fast right before it. As to diet, been doing that for ages, with no effect but delaying the obvious. Sure, I don't eat carbs for a year, and I'm ALMOST alright, but I suddenly find that while BEFORE, eating a whole large pizza in one sitting would *sometimes* set off hives, NOW, I can barely tolerate one lousy wheat tortilla wrap (foods I tolerate perfectly inside) without breaking out all over. So, yeah, diet alone is great, it keeps you alive and not getting sick quite so fast - BUT YOU DO CONTINUE GETTING WAY SICKER....
Breaking out all over is an indication that you are NOT tolerating the food inside since breaking out comes from something that is on the inside. Have you tried eliminating glutens to see what effect that might have? Gluten and dairy intolerances can lead to lots of woes.
Diet alone may not be the answer, and that is why I included supplementation (as opposed to unnatural medication). One thing you can pretty much count on - "nuking" your body with excessive unnatural pharmaceuticals will lead to problems, whether immediate, delayed or both.
Duh, it's an intolerance to gluten PLUS to carbs in general. That's my whole point, though: on a restrictive alone diet, you FEEL BETTER, BUT GET WORSE. Reactions to food intake that violates the diet in the slightest get worse and worse, showing that the yeasts are still multiplying.
Maybe my example didn't quite make sense. Let's put it this way: a couple years of extremely carb-restrictive eating have led my body to be unable to tolerate 2 slices of pizza, where before, an ENTIRE pizza MIGHT mess with me, and might NOT.
I understand what you are saying. What I am saying is that I would still rely on diet, lifestyle and natural supplementation instead of a mix of mainstream medicines.
Have you tried lots of colloidal silver, probiotics and prebiotics, bentonite clay and plenty of coconut oil?
Silver, unless additional mystical properties are applied to it, makes no logical sense. If it EVEN works at all, it is more likely to nuke good intestinal flora first and foremost, probiotics and prebiotics or not.
Furthermore, I can absolutely see how even that would help certain persons with what appear to be candida symptoms: the silver kills off some underlying infection that is keeping the immune system down, freeing it up to tackle candida, and despite the negative effects of devastated gut flora, the net effect is still positive. HOWEVER, that may or may not stand true, but definitely only for persons suffering from concurrent infections.
Personally, I now realize that my first encounter with candida was over 20 years ago, when I was about 4 years old: a vicious rash response to any sugar, a then-unidentified problem for which a doctor recommended regular applications of disinfectant to my penis, and what was diagnosed as "absolute lack of any intestinal flora". That pretty much rules out any underlying diseases, especially considering how this all fits with being born prematurely with a bloodtype utterly incompatible with one's mother's, bad childhood nutrition, never being breastfed, and numerous heavy antibiotic treatments (my immune system as a toddler sucked). Furthermore, you can hardly catch anything venereal at age 4, except from your mother, and she's certainly clean - visa requirements for testing and routine medical care have never shown up anything, and nothing nasty can sit there for a quarter of a century without ever making itself apparent anyway. As to how the candida problem (although never actually identified then!) got taken care of so well that it stayed down for 15 years, unfortunately, the medical records don't exist and no one really remembers the details any more... Plus, a lot of different strategies got thrown at it, and it's near impossible to tell what actually did the trick. Probiotics and diet (not lo-carb, though, rather no-meat) certainly played a part, and some herbs and other folk remedies were used, but my mother, for example, still insists what did it was BANANAS. Who knows?
Whatever the case, this stuff is definitely beatable if you don't have some compounding viral or bacterial infection and stay the hell away from antibiotics and bad nutrition...
..and I DAMN WELL REFUSE TO TREAT A FUNGAL INFECTION AS IF IT WERE A SYNDROME, or worse, a slow terminal illness. It certainly is curable, it certainly isn't something you have to learn to live with, and it certainly shouldn't turn you into an invalid unless you let it.
Simple. It stacks tolerably low dosages of every single class of pharmaceutical antifungal under the sun. Last I checked, even the legendary Rasputin, having survived getting shot multiple times, stabbed, and drowned, all in one sitting, finally succumbed to being hacked into little pieces or something...
Once I knock yeast levels down somewhat with this combined assault, if total improvement isn't reached in a month or two (yeah, right, but one can still hope...), I can experiment with trying to figure out which part of this regimen actually worked.
Plus, I also kind of know that ketaconazole works to some extent. It's almost unfortunate, because it certainly is the nastiest of the bunch, but if the creams do work on the skin (caustic as hell and unpleasant though), it can be inferred that the tabs should do something for the intestines. Unless I'm infested with a bunch of different yeasts - in which case, treating a wide spectrum makes all the more sense.
...as to adding some herbs into the plan, that's proving a bit of a challenge. I live in Russia, where nutrition stores aren't exactly a big fad, and supplements are sold by positively weird people through badly designed websites or even just through friends. Next to none of them have been approved or tested by our version of the FDA. Hell, they're all basically contraband, and many don't even have Russian labels on them. Expensive, too, so you can bet some if not most are fake.
Do think I can manage to get a hold of the following:
NOW Foods Candida Clear:
Biotin 2 mg
Magnesium (from Magnesium Caprilate) 45 mg
Caprylic acid (from Magnesium Caprilate) 500 mg
Pau D'Arco (Tabebuia impetiginosa) (bark) 300 mg
Black walnut (Juglans nigra L.) 300 mg
Oregano oil (Origanum vulgare) 200 mg
180 caps for 40 bucks.
...seems like a decent formulation (IF it's authentic). What about the dosages, though? How much of it should be taken? Website recommends 2 caps 2 times daily.
You are certainly taking some strong antifungals! Your logic in tackling it this way is sound, considering you are young and in otherwise good health. However you are wise to be concerned about possible liver damage. It's a tricky one. Does one ignore the pains that may be the liver and stick with the program? I totally understand your determination to knock Candida on the head once and for all.
I also understand where Nonmoi and others are coming from too. You don't want to damage your liver. Some people can handle liver toxins quite well, others seem to suffer permanent damage very quickly. It is a bit of a gamble really.
I tend to think the safer long term approach is to focus on rebuilding the immune system, eating cultured vegetables, drinking kefir etc. But your approach my work too. Good luck and please let us know how it goes, or email me privately if you prefer.
Well, I'm not turning yellow, my urine looks quite normal, and the liver's really just feeling it, not screaming pain at me or swelling up all over the place... Plus, it seems to be growing accustomed to it. Or maybe it just wasn't a good idea to start this treatment on the last days of a week of fasting, and now that I'm eating again, it's easier on me...
As to why stack, instead of alternating, or even just living the perfect anti-candida lifestyle alone? The real problem with candida isn't that it's so incurable, it's simply that it is too damned resilient - even the most disciplined human mind cannot wait it out in a war of attrition. Sure, 2-3 years of perfect diet, no bad habits, ideal vitamins, a couple of herbs, absolutely NO stress, and massive probiotics probably WILL heal you completely. But, other than at a monastery, I really don't see how that is humanly possible... Some dumb slip up, a bad choice of groceries, or just random life stress will knock you right back to square one. Every single time.
Also, it's not the pharms as much as the one pharm, ketaconazole, that worries me. It's the only one really associated with liver problems in people without hep or cirrhosis, and it's being phased out by the medical community for that very reason. However, its replacements, fluconazole and itraconazole (can't score the others here) aren't exactly great. Fluconazole is prohibitively expensive, highly ineffective, and judging by the amount of advertising it gets on TV and how much of it the female population consumes, it is a safe bet that the majority of candida in my country are highly resistant to it by now. As to itraconazole, took that for several weeks a while back. In average recommended dosages, it does little to nothing, and high dosages turn you into a paranoid depressive, with some positive effects, but nowhere near enough before you quit to avoid going batshit crazy. Might alternate in a week of itraconazole between bottles of ketaconazole, to ease up on the liver, but my mind wouldn't take much more than that! Also, the simple fact that no pharmaceutical company here sells an itraconazole one-high-dose "magic bullet" pill for vaginal yeast suggests that it is even weaker than fluconazole.
Have you ever heard or thought about the McComb's Plan? I'm not trying to sell you anything, as I'm just going to start it. The Science behind is spot on, and it makes perfect sense, the reviews are great too (his website is http://www.Mccombsplan.com
if you wanna check it out).
Pretty much its daily sweating to detox the body and avoid die off, the diet (which allows fruit), the few supplements, and lots of water. He also wrote a book called LIFEFORCE, which you can read the reviews from on http://www.amazon.com
Otherwise, your plan sounded like something I would have tried 2 years ago, had I had the access to prescription antifungals. 2 years later, many liver flushes in, I still have a bloated abdomen, poor digestion, and usual candida symptoms (I'm a 26 year old guy), but I doubt I would OD on pharmaceuticals. It's quite scary when you actually think you have hepatitis, I did believe I induced it. Tests came back negative, who knows though. Also pay attention if you have lower back pain on the sides- you don't want to Overload your kidneys.
Now the Kefir Grains are something I would've liked to have tried but haven't had the time. Again, I would have used your same argument, that it is a yeast. However, Yeasts do fight yeasts. Also if you have systemic candida, your really not having a problem with yeasts anymore, but rather a systemic fungus. The fungal form is the pathogenic version of candida (thats what it's morphed to from a yeast). The yeast form is present in everyone. It is when we OD on antibiotics that we kill all the bacteria that kept the yeast from changing to fungus. In a nutshell-that is what's going on inside of you, if you have systemic candida.
Aright, well Best Wishes, Good Luck, Keep me Updated!
A lot of what you say about antifungals pretty much agrees with my own research. I agree ketaconazole is probably the best systemic accessible antifungal, but as you say, it is riskier than the others.
I can't fault your strategy. My fallback plan is not unlike yours. I have in mind to use nystatin, oral amphotericin B, itraconazole and lufenuron.
However I think an equally effective approach is to use diet and live probiotics like homemade cultured vegetables, kefir and yoghurt. It will take longer, but may have a more lasting outcome. You see one can continue eating CVs, kefir and yogurt forever, but I don't want to take AFs forever. Candida has a tendency to come back, even when you have clubbed it to death with AFs.
Perhaps you can look into taking some CVs, kefir or yogurt after you finish your AFs. They may protect you from reinfection.
Oh, definitely. I just figure that kicking its butt first and then preventing it from rearing its ugly head again seems like the logical order of things!
Yes it is logical. However it is also logical to first attempt to heal a leaky bowel, stimulate the immune system, and introduce good bacteria into the bowel, BEFORE nuking the Candida with AFs. This way the good bacteria and immune system will enhance the Candida kill, and continue the fight once you finish the AFs.
Have a look at adding zinc to your AFs. There is research that shows zinc (which stimulates the immune system) significantly enhances the effectiveness of AFs. I think vitamin D3 will do this too.
Cheshire,
From your experience with HPI treatment, would you say it's best to sort out any major dysbiosis first before tackling the Candida head-on? (My dybiosis involves very low levels of good bacteria, some dormant C Diff. and lots of undigested food in stools) As you say, AF would be more effective if there's good bacteria to help out.
I've considered doing an HPI myself but think it might be more affective down at the clinic in Sydney. One of my concerns is taking more antibiotics which could make the Candida worse (main Candida symptoms I'm aware of, white tongue, tightness in throat, headaches). Did you benefit at all from the procedure, despite the big expense, antibiotics and not eradicating your Candida?
You mentioned in another post you had zero Bifidobacteria in a stool test, was this after you did the HPI? I would've hoped those would have been restored.
>From your experience with HPI treatment, would you say it's best to sort out any major dysbiosis first before tackling the Candida head-on? (My dybiosis involves very low levels of good bacteria, some dormant C Diff. and lots of undigested food in stools) As you say, AF would be more effective if there's good bacteria to help out.
HPI did not fix my low levels of bifidobacteria, my overgrowth of Clostridium, undigested starch in my stools or my candidiasis. But I didn't take the ABx prescribed to me before doing HPI. HPI works best for people who have bowel flora already devastated by previous bouts of strong ABx, such as for treating C. diff related diarrhea. If you took strong ABx before doing HPI it might improve your bowel flora, or it might make it worse (not the HPI, but the ABx). Sorry, but I can't give you the answer you're seeking, only my experience.
>One of my concerns is taking more antibiotics which could make the Candida worse (main Candida symptoms I'm aware of, white tongue, tightness in throat, headaches).
Yes, your concerns are valid. I would be concerned too. That is why I didn't tak the ABx they wanted me to take prior to HPI. But then it didn't work for me. But it also didn't make my candidiasis any worse either. Would I have had a better outcome if I'd taken ABx, or would I have just made my candidiasis worse? I don't know. But I wouldn't do ABx + HPI if it were offered to me tomorrow.
>You mentioned in another post you had zero Bifidobacteria in a stool test, was this after you did the HPI? I would've hoped those would have been restored.
If you are in Russia you could probably check out this article if you speak Russian or you could have it translated with google translate.
It is a research article by Moscow gastroenterologists that talks about diagnosis and treatment of intestinal Candida. It basically tells that's important to identify the strain of Candida you have and presents some tests that could be used. I understand some labs offer DNA testing to identify the precise species you have. You can then find out what medications that strain is resistant to. I think that's important.
You think your regimen is hardcore but I think the most hardcore regimen as that article mentions is probably IV fluconazole, taking pills probably won't cut it. It must come with something local-acting like nystatin that will clean out the intestine while the systemic one that must go as deed as the nervous system to clean out the candida does its part.
It's BS, people saying that Candida is a normal part of a human body. When I got mine sexually (I think 2 different strains) it tore me up within a couple of weeks. I KNOW for a fact it was not in my system before. There is no way I had that in my system. The types of yeasts that we get from foods are a totally different thing. The types you have to worry about the most are what you can get from other people.
IV fluconazole? What's the point? Its bioavailibility increases some 25% tops from that (in other words - no major difference).
Plus, that article certainly DOES NOT recommend it at all. It in fact frowns upon systemic antifungals except as additions to nystatin or natamycin, and makes the claim that natamycin tablets (the sort specially-coated to dissolve deep in the intestines) are the true big gun against candida.
Nothing much else interesting in the article. It's mostly general information for physicians. It does state to expect candida in most people after long antibiotic treatment and also mentions that around 3% of unrelated deaths autopsies find major candida overgrowth, so it is definitely a common illness.
Oh, and of personal interest for me, it said that even after 3-4 months of antibiotic treatment for TB, 60% of patients get serious candida. Doesn't really change shit-all, but knowing you didn't do it to yourself sure does give you a nice warm feeling!!!
good luck. Please keep us updated and don't just stop posting if you're better. At age 28, healthy like you, I have the same candida/coated tongue problem. I'm not going to pussy around with 6 months of no carb diets and other ineffective treatments.
I'm otherwise healthy, started bodybuilding, and jog regularly. The only thing I can think of that might be causing this is the crown I had put in when I was a teen... it's jet black.. not sure if they use mercury in crowns and/or root canals, but either of these may be suspect.
Have a root canal on my front tooth.. some say that root canals should be removed, as should any mercury caps or fillings.
In your case, could also be anabolics... And before you get indignant and tell me I have no right to accuse you of shooting up 'roids, remember what all nutritional supplements say on the label: "NOT EVALUATED BY THE FDA". No one actually knows what's in 'em! If you've taken any sports-fitness-bodybuilding supplements labeled as harmless amino acids or something, there's a fair chance you've actually been getting ECA stacks, steroids, and god knows what else somewhere along the line.
As to "pussying around" with no-carb, it's actually a good idea, and I do intend to do just that - but NOT ONLY THAT. Cause, for resilient crap like candida, it's like fighting Tyson or something: you might not find anyone who'll knock him down head on one on one, but throw enough weaklings at him, and it'll wear him down until someone finally downs his ass. There sure as hell ain't no concept of chivalry or honour to fighting a fricking fungus, so why not gang up and pound on it with anything and everything?! Zerg rush its ass, basically...
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