Sure Spud. I'm on the fence with this one too. It's hard to find time to research everything I'd like to. I'd sure appreciate hearing whatever you discover.
I'm tired of jumping on all the conspiracy bandwagons. I need more evidence too.
yep Gina, I too, find I'm a little pressed for time, and wish I had more free time to look into these things more thoroughly.
I'm interested, also, in who exactly people think is behind this spraying, and why people think the government or whoever they think is behind this spraying, is doing this.
I've only found fairly nebulous answers to this question, like population control, testing of chemicals, biological agents or warfare systems. None of these answers have any consistant evidence to support them.
But I will keep an open mind on this matter, until the evidence gives a clear indication one way or another.
As many of the commenters stated beneath the photos at that link, the photos did nothing to explain away chemtrails, which are pretty much indisputable when you consider that the government has admitted them, they have been widely reported and the material they have spewed out has been collected and tested.
Contrails dissipate and only rarely spread out and linger (and when they do, they do not linger long and create a very thin hazy layer). Contrails are not sprayed in inexplicable X-patterns and grids. Chemtrails spread into thick layers and can linger for hours. Chemtrails frequently are sprayed in grid patterns that cover wide patches of the sky.
I'm not convinced on the theory of chemtrails, I think there needs to be much more examination of the evidence. I personally believe that people are all to quick to jump to a Conspiracy conclusion. In all the years that this has supposedly been happening, I would think there would be overwhelming evidence of chemtrails being sprayed around, and there is not.
When I start seeing words like sheeple, government conspiracy, population control, secret government business, etc, I find this just as suspicious as the words used by government spin doctors to cover up what they are doing.
DQ, do you have a link to this government admission of chemtrail spraying, now that would be some good evidence, if its credible.
I agree that too many people are prone to jump into just about any conspiracy theory. Sadly, I think a much greater number of people have been misled into believing that simply calling something a conspiracy is sufficient to disprove it. The fact is, our country, as did virtually every country and form of government and most of history itself, are all the result of conspiracies.
The thing is we don't want to believe that our government lies to us and thus has been the case for a very long time. All the government has to do and all that those who really control our government and our world have to do is to deny something, or better still, to redicule it and you can count on most of the population to go right back to watching their reality shows and the filtered news and believing that all is right in the world. As a result, the majority of our own country still believes that there really was a swine flu pandemic and that vaccinations containing mercury, aluminum, MSG, aspartame and various mutagens and poisons are perfectly safe. For that matter, most people still believe that the two party smoke and mirrors political system we have is real.
Years ago people would have called anyone who dared suggest that we had false-flag wars or experimented on our own citizens with nuclear radiation and dangerous drugs "whackos" and tinfoil hat wearers. Many people today think that the idea of a medical conspiracy is "whacko" and a surprising number of people still believe that those who tell them that the Federal Reserve Bank is not a government entity, but rather is owned by a cartel of international bankers, are "whacko". But the truth is that such things are indesputable facts.
From the July 2006 Idaho Observer:
In May of 2005 a family in Iowa contacted the office of Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA) to report the constant criss-crossing of "chemtrails" in the sky above their neighborhood. They received back from the senator's office a General Accounting Office (GAO) report on "military chaff" and the material safety data sheet for aluminum-coated fiberglass fibers being spread_seven days a week for several hours each day_in the skies above their home.
The chaff is spread by pilots learning how to mask planes or send false radar images. It was reported that the military also has lead-based chaff, but that it is not being used at this time. Chaff was used by the military in Europe in WWII and, according to the GAO, had been used in training here at home since the 50s.
Once chaff reaches the ground, it breaks down into particles small enough to inhale. Though military spokespeople insist that chaff is not harmful, the GAO report concluded that health effects are unknown and more studies are needed.
Regardless, some members of the family were very sick. On May 23, 2005 after a hard rain the day before, they a noticed glittering substance and a pinkish-colored powder substance on the roof of their house. They then noticed the glittering substance on many surfaces, even the dashboard of the family car. Both substances were collected and sent to a lab for analysis.
Among the substances found to be in the samples were several that should simply not be there:
6 bacteria, including anthrax and pneumonia
9 chemicals including acetylcholine chloride
26 heavy metals including arsenic, gold, lead,mercury, silver, uranium and zinc
4 molds and fung
7 viruses
2 cancers
2 vaccines
2 sedatives
If you want to see what a "chemtrail" insider revealed, see:
Thanks DQ, I have read most of the curezone posts on this subject, and will have a look at the other sites you have posted.
Its interesting that you say people will more likely believe what a government says, than believe in a government conspiracy. Its been my experience, that in the last 10 years, the exact opposite of this, is what I'm observing. People are more likely to believe an unproven Conspiracy theory, with little or no evidence, than a scientific theory with much supporting evidence, merely because of the fact that a scientist has proposed the theory. There are many youtube videos, and websites, that have very questionable credibility, but people will take what is spouted on a blog as being more credible than anything that comes from a traditional scientific source, or government source, without even doing their own research or investigation.
I see many people being called "sheeple" merely because they do not accept a conspiracy theory as truth, or reserve opinion until there is evidence to back the theory.
Its been my experience, that in the last 10 years, the exact opposite of this, is what I'm observing. People are more likely to believe an unproven Conspiracy theory, with little or no evidence, than a scientific theory with much supporting evidence.
What you find in people such as the CureZone audience, especially in the debate forums, and what I have found out in amongst the great unwash are worlds apart. People here tend to be much more skeptical, due no doubt to the medical conspiracy and propaganda they have witnessed which tells us that unnatural drugs are superior to nature itself, and the so-called science which has warned us of the dangers of vitamins, minerals and supplements while telling us of the safety and effectiveness of drugs such as Vioxx, Avandia, Fosamax, Paxil, et al.
All I can tell you is that what I find here at CureZone and on similar forums is vastly different than what I find among family members and neighbors.
what more do you need then looking up in the sky??? If something is there that should not be there, and if they deny it's existence, is that not enough?
I do not see any chemtrails when I look up at the sky where I live, in fact, I rarely see a contrail, unless the weather conditions are right for them to form. Planes fly over my area all day, everyday, but these things are not observed. If I did see something that shouldn't be there, or more to the point, what I think shouldn't be there, I would investigate it. Which is exactly what I am doing, with the claims of chemtrails.
"and if they deny it's existence, is that not enough?"
Who are "they"? How do you know that "they" are not telling the truth, and for what ever reason, the "others" are lying?
So no, if someone says something doesn't exist, that isn't enough for me to assume it does.
I've read that the contrails stay in the sky much longer when it's humid, and it's also true that there are a lot more planes than there used to be flying in all directions.
If there were people "spraying" us with toxins for dozens of years, I think there'd be some with consciences who'd come forward by now. Have you found any?
I'm still researching this subject, but it's on the bottom of my list right now. Thanks for all your research.
"If there were people "spraying" us with toxins for dozens of years, I think there'd be some with consciences who'd come forward by now. Have you found any?"
Gina, this is a really good point, I'd also be very interested in the answer to this, because with all the research I've been doing I haven't come across a single mention of any pilots (the guys flying the planes while all this spraying is supposed to be going on). And as you say, if this has been happening for all these years, why haven't at least one or two of these people come forward. I don't buy the idea that the government/whoever is that efficient at keeping secrets, that they have managed to silence the thousands upon thousands of pilots, that by their very presence in the planes, would know what was going on. This is without even taking into account the people who would be servicing these aircraft, delivering the said chemicals, loading them, even manufacturing them.
Even if this was a 'need to know' basis, where people only knew part of the story, this would still mean there would be thousands of people who know what is going on, and there is no way I would believe that all these people could be silenced for years and years.
Oh well, back to the research, I'll let you know if I dig something up.
"Even if this was a 'need to know' basis, where people only knew part of the story, this would still mean there would be thousands of people who know what is going on, and there is no way I would believe that all these people could be silenced for years and years."
Yes, this is the main reason I'm not worrying about it, or researching so much. All these so called "facts" can be fixed to fit agendas on both sides.
" If there were people ________ for dozens of years, I think there'd be some with consciences who'd come forward by now."
Would you please provide an example of how you believe coming forward works? It doesn't have to be anything fancy, but this sentiment frequently shows up as being quite common in public opinion and not just for the question of Conspiracy at hand in this thread "spraying" but for pretty much any conspiracy out there that makes it into the public consciousness. This is why I frame the question using a blank ______.
So, as far as you believe, what does it look like when somebody "comes forward"? How does it work when somebody comes forward? What, exactly, are examples of how a person comes forward? What do they do that, in your mind, satisfies the definition of coming forward? I believe that if you can answer this question, then you will be a bit closer to having the answer to the question you originally asked re " ... I think there'd be some ... by now.... have you seen any?"
I'm not sure I understand your question. It seems pretty obvious to me what coming forward is. There were kids raised in illuminati homes that came forward, x-cult members, x-government assassins, x-CDC doctors, x-_____s. You know what I'm talking about, don't you? They have many derogatory names for them.
As Spud said, there has to be 1,000's of people involved in a conspiracy that large, or as large as they're saying it is anyway. All they'd have to do is report it to the local news, write a blog, post on CZ or write a book.
I'm not sure how all the whistleblowers and X's start coming out of hiding, are you? I'm probably not answering to your satisfaction because I'm not getting the question or intention.
Maybe I misunderstood. It seemed to me that you were asking why people were not coming forward. I asked you for examples of what coming forward is. Now you say you don't understand this other than saying it is obvious. If its so obvious, why do you say you don't understand what it is?
These are some good questions Oh4, there is the traditional view of people the come forward as being whistleblowers, people who alert others to what is happening in the companies or organisations that they work in, when they think there is something illegal or wrongful.
Wiki has a good definition of what the common view of a whistleblower is, so I won't bore everyone with detail they can easily find themselves if they're interested.
IMO, there are also those people, who while not necessarily being whistleblowers, are just curious as to why they are being asked or told to perform actions for which they can see no sense in, or that they feel are just not right. For example: a pilot who is asked to turn on some sort of spraying equipment, that has been added to his/her aircraft, and spray whatever is contained in this equipment at whatever altitude in whatever location. I would expect that there would be at least some of these pilots that would be curious enough to ask questions, and discuss this with others, to find out what was going on.
This is what I do not see in any of the evidence for the theory of chemtrails.
So IMO, the people that come forward, could be whistleblowers or simply curious, but would be people actually involved in the action of spraying chemicals or other agents over the population, in this case.
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