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  • Image Embedded If it's red..it's blood. by  fungihomeworld  3 year  2,137  Morgellons
    eh..maybe not.

    while dinking about with Potassium Hydroxide and skin samples in search of the elusive fungi..
    it occured to me to see if blood and the everpresent "blood" leaking from the leg lesions..is the same. I have my doubts that the lesion "blood" is all blood. Too many pics of lesion blood LOADED with particles. That many particles in the bloodstream should result in severe clogging of capillaries..arteries and veins..I should think.
    Something is amiss here.

    The KOH is at hand..lets collect a mess of "blood" from a lesion..and see what happens. Sounds like fun?


    http://curezone.com/upload/_M_Forums/Morgellons/FHW/Blood/lesion_blood13aug10.jpg


    ...ah..here is a cooperative leg lesion. Even though I
    am not focused on them, you can detect some of the suspicious particles oozing to the surface.
    Always seems to be a surprising amount of blood from the
    lesions..especially the old ones. Is it really all blood?
    Or..something else going on? Pigmented fluid perhaps?

    Will see if the reaction with KOH yields any clues.
    Will mix lesion "blood" and "clean" blood from a fingerstick with KOH [potassium hydroxide] in a water solution; measured pH 12.4.

    ________________________________________________


    http://curezone.com/upload/_M_Forums/Morgellons/FHW/Blood/lesionbloodin_KOH13aug10.jpg

    here is one of the two types of material that resulted when mixing the lesion blood with the KOH. This one is red..well..we are mucking about with blood. Red is..expected.


    http://curezone.com/upload/_M_Forums/Morgellons/FHW/Blood/lesion_in_KOH13aug10.jpg


    Here is the other resulting mass when mixing lesion fluid with KOH; a green yellow mess. Ok..what is what?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Ok...time for a "clean blood" sample...not from a suspiciously dirty lesion..but from a fingerstick.
    Sample of blood was about ten drops..from an overzealous
    finger stick.


    http://curezone.com/upload/_M_Forums/Morgellons/FHW/Blood/fingerbloodinKOH13aug10.jpg


    Odd. only the yellow green mass. No red at all. The
    red blood drops instantly dissolved upon contact with the KOH..and clumped up as ..what you see here.

    So..the red mass formed by lesion fluid in KOH is not blood at all..since "pure" blood only creates the yellow green mass. The red mass..is not blood. So what is it?
    Pigmented gels?..morg particles?..something else?


    ..find one clue..many more questions surface.


    [Whack-A-Mole was like this.]

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    • All you need now is some mild heating. by  Labrat The Tenacious  3 year  2,051
      fungihomeworld,

      All you need now is some mild heating. KOH is used to find fungus in skin etc. http://www.health.com/health/library/mdp/0,,aa140452,00.html



      http://www.brooksidepress.org/Products/OperationalMedicine/DATA/operationalmed/Manuals/hc1c/Chapter07/Chapter07.html#Potassium%20Hydroxide%20(KOH)%20Preparation%20for%20Identification%20of%20Fungi

      Potassium Hydroxide (KOH) Preparation for Identification of Fungi

      Fungi are seen in clustered round buds with thick walls accompanied by fragments of mycelia. Scrapings from the affected area of the skin are mounted in 10 percent KOH for positive laboratory diagnosis.

      Demonstration of the fungi in infected tissue can be accomplished by the following method:

      1. Place skin, hair, or nail scrapings from the affected area on a slide and add a drop of 10 percent KOH. Dissolve 10 g of KOH in 100 ml of distilled water.
      2. Place a coverslip on the preparation.
      3. Warm the preparation gently over a flame, being careful not to boil it, and allow it to stand until clear. Do not allow the preparation to dry out.
      4. Read preparation, using a high-power objective with subdued light.
      * Fungi in the skin and nails appear as refractile fragments of hyphae.
      * In the hair, fungi appear as dense clouds around the hair stub or as linear rows inside the hair shaft.



      Haven't a clue if this would find anything in blood. But, it will find fungus from skin etc.

      Good hunting

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      • Image Embedded Re: All you need now is some mild heating. by  fungihomeworld  3 year  2,023
        I could have been more clear about what I meant by:
        [quote]while dinking about with Potassium Hydroxide and skin samples in search of the elusive fungi[/quote]

        The "dinking" translates to using a modified KOH skin test.

        I've been using the KOH on skin technique for quite a while
        to sort through clumps of goo...to find what is in them.
        Posted pictures in the FHW pic file back in..April..
        testing hair samples with KOH...and posted some unexpected
        results when adding KOH to urine. [white "parfait".]

        To speed the "quick look" along, I dont find it necessary
        to "fix" the sample with heat onto a slide..just pluck the
        curious blob..drop into petri dish..a few drops of pre prepared KOH solution..swish..drop the hand held camera
        onto dish and take a look. aha!..another fiber in that mess. So far I have not found anything other than the
        accursed fibers. Nothing really novel has shown up yet.
        Just..fibers..all colors. Will post this mornings "quick look" of a blob from a leg lesion. As usual..another bunch
        of fibers..buried in morg particles.
        [particles assembling fiber?...fibers attracting particles?] Hmmm...a Pretty blue
        fiber this morning. I think that means it might rain today.


        http://curezone.com/upload/_M_Forums/Morgellons/FHW/Skin/KOH_reveals_fiber14aug10.jpg


        ^^^
        the object above was just a blob of gunk. a few seconds
        of the "dinking"[dunking] technique reveals much with little time lost.

        The post was really about the strange result of KOH on skin
        lesion blood vs fingerstick [clean] blood.
        It appears that much of the "blood" [red fluid] in the
        lesions is NOT blood. Clean blood in KOH yields only
        the yello/green goo...not red goo.
        The lesion "blood", on the other hand..generates two kinds of goo.
        yellow green..AND red..and the red goo does not appear with clean
        blood reactions. Which seems to support my suspicions..
        that not all the red fluid in a lesion is blood. There is
        something else in play in the lesions. I suspect it is the
        red pigmented particles/gels..in a more "liquid" state.

        more experiments required..
        Muppet Labs Never Sleeps.

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    • Image Embedded closer peek at the red mass by  fungihomeworld  3 year  2,063
      ...those suspicious lines in the red goo?


      http://curezone.com/upload/_M_Forums/Morgellons/FHW/Blood/fibersinred13aug10.jpg

      ..more fibers growing in there...what a surprise.


      the yellow lesion mass full of fiber fun as well.


      http://curezone.com/upload/_M_Forums/Morgellons/FHW/Blood/yellogoofiber13aug10.jpg

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      • Re: closer peek at the red mass by  Labrat The Tenacious  3 year  1,998
        fungihomeworld,

        If that's been dissolved in KOH, it looks positive for fungus to me.

        Most of the fibers in Morgellons probably are fungus or fibrosis generated by the body in response to a foreign object.

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        • Re: closer peek at the red mass by  fungihomeworld  3 year  1,993
          ...OTOH...send off a morg biopsy to some
          PhD pathologist ..results are negative for
          fungus. [PAS stain]
          [ doc remarks: " possibly an insect bite"]. That will
          be 600 dollars please.

          ..gee..thanks doc..I'll try to stay away from those
          fiber inducing mosquitos.

          meanwhile..back at the ranch..two skin docs insist
          that since the damage is not due to fungus..it's self inflicted. [..showed the head honcho derm doc pics
          of the the biopsy sutures over run with fibers...made
          zero impact. [ dont you hate it when the Photoshop
          weirdos visit?].



          ...digs out path report..

          diagnosis: epidermal necrosis and ulceration suggestive of insect bite left forearm.

          comment: PAS stain is negative for fungus whereas the control shows numerous mycelia within the cornified layers.

          microscopic description: Sections of tissue show a normal thickness of the epidermis with moderate basket weave hyperkeratosis. Within the center of the specimem the epidermis is necrotic and replaced by inflammatory membrane with underlying acute inflammatory cells.
          A moderate number of the inflammatory cells are eosinophils. The inflammatory infiltrate has a diffuse interstitial distribution and extends to the deep dermis.

          *********************************************************
          *** despite the report of numerous mycelia..the skin
          docs feel content to dismiss any possibility of fungus
          since the PAS stain test was negative.

          I submit that the morg's fibers may in fact be
          part fungus..they act like fungus..grow like fungus,
          dissolve skin like fungus..grow mycelia
          as fungi do...but for some reason do not trip the PAS stain test as "positive" for fungus.
          I got the strong impression that the skin docs just wanted me out of there ASAP...any excuse will do. "oh look..failed the stain test..well..there you go..not a fungus..you're digging all those lesions." The senior
          skin doc was so thoughtful.."won't charge you for this "follow up visit" ..when I was showing her the
          fibers on biopsy sutures..[of course you aren't going to
          charge for this visit..officially this face to face
          never happened..right doc? Nothing in writing...no
          troublesome paper trail leading to you...much less any
          course of action to deal with the fibers..that dont exist...because you dont "see them". Seriously..what sort of dermatologist dismisses a case without so much as breaking out a magnifying lens? or a Woods lamp..or a skin
          scrape test..nothing needed here but five seconds of staring at the damage with unaided eyes..and hands me
          a bunch of phone numbers for local psychiatrists..to get
          an Rx for mind bending drugs. Make everything so much better. [TWO docs do the same thing..their prejudiced
          opinion is all they need. No Science needed.]

          &&&&..and the docs call the Morgs folks "delusional".
          The docs are clueless...and won't take any initiative
          that would put them crosswise with their AMA overlords.
          ...
          ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
          ...
          .....stumbled over posts I made months ago at the candida
          forums..good over view of my extended stay in wonderland.

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          • Re: closer peek at the red mass by  Bythc  3 year  2,102
            Stay away from the docs on this, just a waste of money. Hell you could of bought a good ozone generator for that kind of money. Then you could have bagged and ozonated those bad boys. They can't take the ozone. Your money is better spent on vitamin C, iodine, food grade h202, and CS. The doctors are a waste of time. Lord help you if they decide to treat you, lucky if you get out alive. Just my experience.

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