You seem to be locked into a losing paradigm of health.
You don't know mt health history but I can assure you I over came a very grave set of situations. At first I spun my wheels with poor advice but once I learned how we get sick in the first place and what constitutes good nutrition, it all fell into place and my health was regained very quickly. Yours can too when you fill in that chip and open your mind.
Again you show your resistance to exploring outside a box that you are rooted in and angrily defend. I am pretty sure you are still ill. You will remain so until you change your attitude. That is key. All else will flow out of that. Body follows mind. No healing can ever take place when a person is so very negative. This can be hard to hear when a person is spiraling in negativity and blaming others for their illness. There are outside influences but ultimately people make choices that lead them to health or dis ease.
Barley grass is high in protein and unless improperly grown and fostering mold, it is a power house of essential nutrients for all health conditions. Btw, candida overgrowth is not something to chase down like an enemy. It is an indication of deeper imbalances which must be addressed. When they are, candida will return to its proper balance. Do some reading on biological terrain. This is a paradigm you must become familiar with if you want out of the illness trap.
Health and wellness is all about balance and using knowledge and awareness to return our bodies back to a balanced state.
Your attempt to paint me into some dark being is only a fantasy in your mind. In your attempt you are only painting yourself.
Good effort on using a different "palette" to tint your words, but it hardly changes the fact that faith healing (or, in your case, more like "SMILE HEALING") is strong for psychiatric problems or dealing with terminal and/or lifelong illnesses - but falls short when it comes to bacterial, viral, and fungal cases.
Sure, it might fix a few psychotics, depressives, and insomniacs, but I dare you to smile even a basic toenail fungus to clarity. And no, random cases of "I ignored it and it went away" aren't testimonials for your ideas. Random doesn't cut it, ill people need something more reliable than that.
Oh, right, that's where you hijack everyone and anyone's disease-specific preventive diets and call them "Biological Terrain", referring at once to all or none of them at your convenience. The problem here is that different deficiencies and sensitivities require different approaches, not some arrogant cure-all method or some random healthy diet drawn out of your hat.
You continue to reveal your ignorance about health. Ypu continue to show your lack of understanding about the concepts I am sharing. You should really go do some research on waht biologival terrain is before you condemn it without understanding what it even means.
When you are ready to let go of your limiting beliefs about health let me know. In the meantime you can resist and continue along your closed off path and try to make healing to be something very difficult and unobtainable. Just don't take others down with you.
You have entirely missed the jist of everything I have shared in this thread and gone off on your personal attack rant-a-thon.
But please continue to define yourself. This demonstration may save others from a long and arduous healing path/entropic spiral.
This may be news to you...
BUT...
...there is only one disease masquerading as many. When you grasp this distinction, you will regain your health.
Talking about a method, yet revealing nothing about it means either:
1) There is no method. You may or may not be selling it, but it actually doesn't exist.
*Conclusion: practice or commerce, 100% obfuscation, 0% content.
2) There is a method. It's tacky, expensive, and requires some serious brainwashing to get people to buy into it. However, to keep their attention, you use their curiousity, attracting the weak with a veneer of mysticism, and "rewarding" them for their attention step by step.
*Conclusion: Pavlov's dogging. AKA SCIENTOLOGY. Or the 100500 other cults, organizations, political parties, and direct sales companies that borrowed the method.
3) There is a method. It's an ebook for only $39.99.
*Conclusion: 100% obfuscation, -$39.99, some degree more content than option 1. If relevant content is present, it is very likely directly copypasted by pieces or plagiarized entirely from some classical source.
None of the above. Reread wghat I said earlier and try and understand it . It may be hard though because its quite simple and some pople insist that healing has to be over comp,icated and difficult, which is why they never heal while defending their illness in the process.
On and on you go.
Your filters continue to project a very distorted view. Perhaps spend more time working on your healing and less time running interference to other people's information gathering and healing.
Not sure if your misdirection is intentional or that you are that far off innocently.
Reading many of your other posts it may be a combination.
Nah, I'm just trying to cajole a step by step path, "perfection for dummies" if you will... Suppose I or another board member decided to buy into your ideas - what are we to do?
I'm at a loss.
You talk at great length about some rather intangible concepts - cool - but once the audience is convinced that you've got the right notion... What then? What exactly do you suggest they do to attain their goals?
So far, it could equally likely be a pilgrimage to Tibet or a long chemical romance with MDMA. And that's not even sarcasm, either.
When you are ready to explore this beyond your current frame of mind I will gladly go over the concept of innate health/balance and biological terrain with you and many would join the discussion. But as long as you remain in a hostile stance most people won't waste their time. If you want to get a head start look up biological terrain. There is much written on it.
Another term that may get you going is "only one disease" and look up raw living foods, auto intoxication, etc.
As you do this there will be many jump off points to explore as well.
Then, once you hone up on this area, perhaps YOU can write an ebook. ;-)
As I pointed out before, there is a harmony between several aspects of our lives as humans. When I am talking about spirituality, I mean it as in the simplest and purest form, beyond any dogma. I mean it at a code/informational/energy level of reality before interpretations and meanings form.
No guru required. ;-) No religious affiliation needed. ;-)
The other aspects I also mentioned were physical health including such things as environment, diet, use of herbs and other leveraging tools.
Then there is the emotional component that is quite important for our overall and ongoing health. Such things as toxic relationships do not contribute to health. Being in a flight or fight mode most of the time is not conducive to good health. Etc. Negative emotions have physical counterparts in xeno toxins.
And lastly but not least important is the mental aspect. This is where belief systems and thoughts come to play . They have a major impact on our health.
So when you make comments such as... "So far, it could equally likely be a pilgrimage to Tibet or a long chemical romance with MDMA. And that's not even sarcasm, either."
I know you are missing the jist of what I am saying. Perhaps you have some irritations about religion that is filtering your interpretation and response.
I'm asking you to tell me. And you're making excuses. It's not because I'm going to disagree with what you're going to say - so what? someone else might agree, or I might even see the light - it's because you don't HAVE anything to say.
Hence the roundabout statements about my not-sufficiently-enlightened state (btw, it's not my thread, and the OP is actually on YOUR side - enlighten her, would you?), hence the obfuscating vocabulary, hence the general and roundabout terms... You speak of balance? Cool. But balance requires a frame of reference, a plane, and a number of objects that are to be balanced. Care to list what we're balancing with what?
...or are we balancing emotions? In that case, grasshopper, you've got a lot to learn - from me, no less. Reread our little duel, and you'll see the entire spectrum of them - passion, determination, humour, compassion, protectiveness, etc. - while you sound like a Roddenberry Enlightened Alien Species (tm). Can't have equilibrium if we zero out all you call "negative" - that's not balance, that's trying to play on the seesaw with that older fat kid from next door.
IC stated enough in this thread, and indeed this single post, to keep you busy for thousands upon thousands of hours... if you need the *proof*.
There is an old saying that "when the student is ready, the teacher will appear"...
This saying is about the student... not the teacher, who has been there (right in front of you) all along... the vessel "student" was too *full* of information, themselves\ego, what-have-you, and wasn't receptive to the *teacher's* information until they had emptied themselves of all preconceived ideas, thoughts and beliefs... till they understood.
Read this story... a very famous story in Zen, Buddhism, Martial Ats - indeed you will find it repeated over and over again in many martial arts movies...
Empty Your Cup
The Japanese master Nan-in gave audience to a professor of philosophy. Serving tea, Nan-in filled his visitor's cup, and kept pouring. The professor watched the overflow until he could restrain himself no longer: "Stop! The cup is over full, no more will go in." Nan-in said: "Like this cup, you are full of your own opinions and speculations. How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup."
You can replace the word *Zen* with anything... you can also take it a step further and *break the cup*... which is really what we need to do.
I once thought that enlightenment was living in the moment... and it is... however, my mistake was not understanding that one cannot truly live in the moment unless they first are everywhere always.
one can actually slow time with this last thought - not *really* in terms of time passing, but time within themselves.
Difficult concepts at first, however profoundly true once experienced.
This is realized best for me when physically sparring in martial arts.
The crap with watching fountains to learn martial arts was invented in Hong Kong to make 30 minutes of cheap filler material for hard-to-choreograph and hence expensive action movies. See any one Jackie Chan movie and you'll know what I'm talking about.
As to the crap with apprentices sweeping the master's rug, that's just free labour being exploited. Pure ECONOMICS, zero philosophy.
...if the enlightened feel like sharing, THEY DO. And if they don't, they stay their enlightened self at home and don't push ideas around on CZ.
OH, AND BTW, THIS IS ACTUALLY ****ANGEL OF EVENTIDES**** THREAD. Not TheGuru's.
Hope I never run into some calculus textbook written in your style :)
However, I still firmly believe you are masquerading ignorance as "greedy enlightenment". Secrets? Haha. Exploration? 2x Haha. This is Teh Internetz in the 3rd millenium here. We google stuff and hoover up the information cuz it has proven to be more effective, not cause we're short of fountains to stare at or wisdom to stare at them. Btw, the Japanese use Google, too.
Sayounara, shiranai-sensei-kun. Ore wa tsukarete ^_^
Because I chose to use Zen, Buddhism and martial arts as an example to illustrate my point?
I could have just as easily used this
Matthew 19:21
Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
Which IS the Christian equivalent to the Empty Cup...
Or, would you prefer the SAME message in another faith? They all mean the same thing.
Your mind needs expanding...
its been fun... however , you are the brick wall my head is banging against and I have other things to do.
Pfff. Religion has, over the years, been distorted by the bureaucrats running religious institutions.
The whole poverty=cool gig got written into just about every world religion at a latter date, when the lords decided it wouldn't hurt to have G-d himself tell the peasants that everything's just dandy the way it is.
...and, in any case, it's nowhere near the same thing. Glamourizing poverty calms the masses, sure, but what does that have to do with your claim of having but withholding information for the very good and development of the intended recipient?
You're not exactly a Uni professor who is there to teach kids how to do their own research, and your function as a support forum member is supposed to be to share useful info if you have it or improve your own grasp through debate, not give people a haughty "he who looks well - finds".
>>"Religion has, over the years, been distorted by the bureaucrats running religious institutions."<<
Agree
>>"The whole poverty=cool gig got written into just about every world religion at a latter date, when the lords decided it wouldn't hurt to have G-d himself tell the peasants that everything's just dandy the way it is."<<
Maybe... and maybe not... the happiest people I ever worked and lived around were those in a third world country where they averaged an income of $14 a month.
>>"...and, in any case, it's nowhere near the same thing. Glamourizing poverty calms the masses, sure, but what does that have to do with your claim of having but withholding information for the very good and development of the intended recipient?"<<
I am sure that your reference to *poverty* is due to the quote I used... and I think your idea of glamorizing poverty is a misinterpretation - in general, the more *things* that one *has* the greater their *stress*...
That is one reason why there is a great and strong minimalist movement in the world today... some discard unnecessary *things* in order to reduce the stress levels in their lives (stress causes illness)... it has the benefit of reducing consumption which is beneficial for the environment... and it snow balls from there. *giving away* your things to the poor has nothing to do with living in *poverty*.
>>"You're not exactly a Uni professor who is there to teach kids how to do their own research, and your function as a support forum member is supposed to be to share useful info if you have it or improve your own grasp through debate, not give people a haughty "he who looks well - finds"."<<
IC and myself have shared a great deal of information - I do not think either one of us holds much back at all relative to the conversation... however, why should someone like me, struggle with someone like you when you will not even consider what is being offered?
"IC and myself have shared a great deal of information - I do not think either one of us holds much back at all relative to the conversation... however, why should someone like me, struggle with someone like you when you will not even consider what is being offered?"
Sometimes a well placed grain of sand in an oyster can produce pearls. The beauty of those pearls is in the eye of the beholder.
Kind of like, "when the student is ready..."
I find that when people are locked into only a mechanistic view, being open to the rest is very difficult.
A body at rest tends to stay at rest. It takes a force acting upon it to influence a change of state.
This can be hard to hear when a person is spiraling in negativity and blaming others for their illness. There are outside influences but ultimately people make choices that lead them to health or dis ease.
People have a hard time accepting responsibility for themselves, even though their current state of poor health is primarily their own *fault*.
Having said that, most people do not know any better... we are being taught lies from birth these days that lead directly to illness... and... it is difficult to dodge things like dirty electricity, microwaves, etc... and do not get me started on metal bed frames and box springs.
One of the hardest things I had to do was to let go of those things I was taught, open my mind and explore the idea that what I had been taught, and learned in the process, was wrong.
The more one invests in time and\or money into thier, in large part, worthless, institutional *education*, the harder it is for them to let goof the information, even if it is conclusively proven false at some point... and the grieving process is experienced over, and over again with every lie exposed... some grieving processes being more difficult than others.
Adieu is in the same place many of us have long since come from... perhaps in time.
I disagree Grz, I think there are many people who do accept that they are responsible for the state of their own health, that is primarily the reason many people come to CZ.
What people do need when they first come here, is practical help. There is no point IMHO of telling people about things such as biological terrain, when they are suffering immediate symptoms, that need to be taken care of. Learning how to make good choices for your overall health, can come after.
If I was starving, I don't want or need to hear about all the good food I could be enjoying, if only I had built up my garden soil properly, planted the right plants in the right season, etc etc. I would want some actual food now, and I could learn all the rest when my immediate needs were taken care of.
Same goes for health, no point telling a sick person, all the health they could be enjoying, if only they had known about all this stuff before, and got their biological terrain sorted out.
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