Grz, it's wonderful to see a pro-life post that is done intelligently, without name-calling and hateful energy, done in the true spirit of debate.
I would like to address a couple of your points.
"Why are children aborted as a form of birth control, or for convenience?"
First, since the majority of abortions are performed in the first trimester, these fetuses are hardly children. This seems to be one of the huge differences in the belief systems of pro-choice and no-choice proponents.
Second, we have many posts on this forum discussing the fact that multitudes of abortions are out of desperation, fear, poverty, resulting from rape or incest, and many other stressful reasons. By the no-choice opposition to birth control, to sex education, to contraceptive research, and by destroying numerous health care clinics which provide sex education and contraceptive services, these leaders are actually pro-abortion. Why else would they cause many of them? They actually expect women to practice abstinence and natural family planning as a preventative to abortion. This is very unrealistic, and I don't think the boyfriend or the alcoholic abusive husband or rapist would go for this option either.
Many believe we should all be responsible for the consequences of our actions? Yes. Then how are no-choicers taking responsibility for the millions of babies who they propose to be born, who live in abject poverty as a result of forcing mothers to birth still more unloved, unhealthy, unwanted children?
A good question to ask is "Do you have the right to force a woman to have an abortion?" No-choicers would say no. Then what gives them the right to force her not to have an abortion? They likely would respond that they're concern is for the pre-born "baby". But here we are back into personal beliefs again! What about the billions of people who hold different beliefs? Are they to be denied their freedom? What gives them the right to play God in their life by force?
And men don’t often look at it this way, but, combined with the far right’s hostility to responsible sex education, this is a very deterministic way to look at a woman’s life. Under this reasoning, the world can alter a woman in a way that she cannot alter the world, and bind her, and her alone, to a future that she was, in every instance, not alone in choosing, and in which she sometimes had no choice.
Conservatives can take the position that an abortion for “convenience” (any reason other than grave danger to health) is an immoral act, but instead of acknowledging the difficulties it creates, they demonize women expressing valid concerns as selfish, mock those who share them, and in no way attempt to avoid the difficulty by providing meaningful pre- or post-pregnancy support structures. When was the last time you heard conservatives speak honestly about contraception, or push for incentives, whether public or private, for affordable neonatal care, or day care for working mothers? A woman is a passive vessel for the state to control, and then ignore.
That was regarding convenience, here's more regarding abortion NOT used as birth control, 10 ten year study which busted this myth.
"(Note, I did not state that abortion may not be warranted in extenuating circumstances, and I am very much aware of abortion being practiced for well over 4,000 years or so)."
So grz, this is exactly why we need to keep abortion safe and legal. There ARE extenuating circumstances, and very often.
"Acts of Hedonism, Greed, Lust, Selfishness, etc. all negative *emotions* that many people tend to run on.
This does not make any method chosen of killing these children right IMO..."
Sounds like judgement on the woman. Getting pregnant is hedonistic and lustful and selfish? And once again the use of the word "children" is your belief. Not everyone's.
"Killing children before their birth, or killing them after their birth for essentially the same reasons... what is the difference?"
Huge difference. Many physicians and medical researchers believe that fetuses can begin to feel pain sometime only during the third trimester. This is long after about 99% of abortions are performed. And then only in dire circumstances.
"I guess humans can rationalize most everything and anything, including death, destruction, killing, and murder if it brings them a bit of comfort in doing so."
This is not rationalization. This is about choice and women's rights. It's mainly about freedom from power and control. However, this is my opinion and I respect yours.
And let me say this again, because it is a very important distinction. I am truly pro-life in every sense. I love my babies, and even though one of them was conceived during a very difficult and stressful time, I choose to have her, and would NEVER have considered anything else. But I am also pro-choice. IMO, it is truly the compassionate stance. Plus, no one in their right mind would be pro-abortion. This is a distinction that we have tried to convey on this forum that doesn't seem to get through.
Thank you for sharing your personal beliefs with us. What about those who don't believe as you do, do we simply trample on their rights and on their beliefs? And thank you for the spirit and energy in which you posted. And sorry for the long post! Lol.
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