Just wanted to post my results from the last 42 flushes. I'm hoping that I'm close to the end by now.
I started out mostly using the Andreas Moritz method when flushing then moved more towards the Dr. David Jubb's method later during the last few (which calls for more oil/lemon juice, taking the oil at a different time during the day and doing the flushes more frequently), which has been more effective.
Also I probably have the hardest time with these throughout the whole process than anyone I know but I have been pretty dedicated to it. I end up throwing up about 60% of the time, about 3 to 5 hours after I drink the oil. It's been a little less frequent when I drink the oil during the day rather than at night. I think I'm just really sensitive to any kind of toxins. So when the stones are released and they sit there in my intestines and some of the toxins get re-absorbed I feel pretty crappy.
I started out not making notes about the kind of stones I was getting, but later from flush #12 and on added more details. My first flush in this series started sometimes in Oct 2008. I did 2 or 3 flushes a long time ago in the past 10 years but didn't track the results.
Sometime in the first 10 I had a few flushes where I was getting almost just white or light beige kind of stones, then it returned to being mostly green.
I've been tracking the approximate number of stones per flush and later the characteristics of the stones.
#1 - 7 (large dark green, almost size of a quarter)
#2 - 200
#3 - 50
#4 - 120
#5 - 445
#6 - 530
#7 - 300
#8 - 140
#9 - 300
#10 - 340
#11 - 0
#12 - 190 (also lots of light green sludge)
#13 - 155 (mostly darker green)
#14 - 275 (mix between darker green and some light greenish beige)
#15 - 90 (mix between pastel green and beige)
#16 - 105 (many large, pale green outside mostly beige/white inside, few bright green)
#17 - 230 (emerald green and some pale green)
#18 - 570 (yellowish green on outside, dark green inside, many very big ones)
#19 - 355 (some large, very dark green, pretty hard dark emerald green on the inside, at the end a few were coated with white stuff but dark green inside with other colors mixed in)
#20 - 200 (lots of very very tiny light green stones, almost sludge, and beige sludge)
#21 - 8 (small light green stones)
#22 - 250 (small dark green first, later light green really tiny ones and sludge)
#23 - 190 (small & medium brown soft stones)
#24 - 80 (light green/beige, not very big)
#25 - 160 (mostly big, light green outside, dark emerald green inside, and multicolor sand particle like)
#26 - 110 (small mostly beige and some dark green)
#27 - 445 (many very tiny, first dark green, then lighter green)
#28 - 205 (medium green, some large, the rest medium to small)
#29 - 90 (light green, small, not well formed, seemed newer)
#30 - 0
#31 - 110 (very pale green, at end grainy clumps with white sandy bits, all small)
#32 - 175 (small light green)
#33 - 45 (mostly light green and some beige, all small)
#34 - 65 (small light green)
#35 - 465 (small and medium - some larger than a dime, light green and beige and grainy clumps, at end some bright green chunk of sludge kind of like thickened bile)
#35 - 250 (small and medium, light to darker green)
#36 - 170 (from light green to dark emerald green, some light coated while very dark inside, a few really big ones - larger than a quarter and pretty hard)
#37 - 50 (small, lighter bright green)
At this point I took a long break, was kind of busy for a long time, then from this point onward I switched to the Jubb method of flushing and started using 8 oz of oil and 8 oz of lemon juice. This method calls for taking the oil around 2:30 pm, then doing a coffee enema around 3 pm. Dr. Jubb says that the liver releases the most bile at 3 pm regardless if you ate anything that day or not and the coffee enema helps with this process as well. As you can see this almost doubled my results. Sometimes I didn't get the timing quite right. I got the timing almost perfect on my last one which was the most effective. Doing them more frequently seems to be pretty effective too.
#38 - 400 - from very large to tiny not well formed sludge, light green outside, bright dark green inside)
#39 - 235 - (very dark green inside and out, mostly small, some medium, and some lighter green)
#40 - 415 - (few large but mostly medium size, lighter green)
#41- 180 - (light green, mostly medium size, some small and beige sludge)
#42 - 680 - (light green, some medium, and hundreds of extremely tiny ones. Some came out compacted taking on the shape of the intestines but were basically really tiny green stones all clumped together like as if they were all flushed out at the same time and kind of bottle-necked and stuck to each other, then came out in 3 large pieces, I've never experienced that before. 450 of these came out the next day, throughout the whole day. It was really hard to count these because they were so small, so I'm just kind of estimating. This was by far the most incredible flushes. Also I felt really sick in the middle of the night when the remaining stones were sitting in my guts till the next day. I ended up throwing up twice in the middle of the night.)
Total stone count: 9575
It's really amazing that I have so many of these things, I'm a fairly small person. I've been a raw foodist for 10 years and have had a really clean diet. More recently I've moved to 100% LifeFood, which is Dr. David Jubb's take on raw food where you avoid all hybridized and denatured foods that contain indigestible proteins (all grains and beans, peanuts and cashews), also all starchy vegetables (carrots, beets, potatoes, corn), and other hybridized fruit containing runaway sugars or discharged sugars (all seedless fruit, dates, bananas, kiwis, pineapple, etc...).
I think a huge contribution to all these stones has been the fact that I've had a really persistent problem with candida since I was 17 or 18 years old (I'm 31 now). I know that can really damage and trash one's liver. I also have heavy metal toxicity. I'm really feeling that those things won't get fully resolved until I can complete the liver cleansing ordeal, which would help the rest of my body detox.
I've done a lot of other types of cleansing over the years and all sorts of health regiments. I use an infrared sauna almost daily and do dry skin brushing. I have a rebounded and other health gadgets. I occasionally do juice fasts, or just eat blended raw soups.
I'd love to hear other people's experiences who have finally arrived at the end and are no longer getting any stones in maintenance flushes for some period of time.
I have no doubt that these stones are real, I'm just kind of concerned sometimes that because of the candida condition in my body and it's tenancy to acidify and congest the system that I might be forming new stones fairly quickly. Curious if anyone has experienced that with candida.
I'm going to do another flush this weekend. I have faith that my persistence and commitment will eventually win out.
I've done about that many Clark's LFs and also have gotten out thousands of stones and sludge. I've been on a strict gluten free diet for gluten sensitivity for almost 5 years and that seems to have stopped the gall stone formation - no stones in the last two flushes but I', still not producing green bile in the purge. I'm doing a kidney cleanse now and will follow with a few days of parasite herbs and a Liver Flush. Recently taking Vit B12 has resulted in a great improvement of intestinal problems. I found a pure source of B12 at the Dr Clark Store.
Wow! Thanks for documenting and sharing all this information. You are obviously a special case, and as you say, your persistent problems with Candida must hold a key. I trust you live on a Candida diet and have done much work to eradicate this plague from your system; it puzzles me that you would not have achieved this goal by now. I hope you have a good alternative health professional to help you tackle this issue; I could never have done what I have (I went from a terribly impacted colon to a clean pink colon over three years of dedicated mega cleansing and have continued with maintenance over a total of ten years) without the advice and assistance of my amazing naturopath.
I believe I owe a 100% cure of my "rosacea" and "adult acne", and also a full point improvement in my eyesight, both of which have held for over five years, to the liver flush. I also believe living in mid menopause completely symptom free is due to all the cleansing, and again of course to the amazing liver flush. I also have a smooth and level emotional landscape where I once was on a real roller coaster. Liver liver liver!
I recently helped a friend flush his liver. He had not slept well, had not had restful sleep, in 20 YEARS! After an amazing first Liver Flush with a highly emotional day after, he is sleeping peacefully every night. He is in a little shock from it all, but I had to admire his willingness to tackle what must be somewhat overwhelming to a first time cleanser. The Liver Flush seems pretty esoteric and outright weird to those who have not had the experience.
So again, thanks for sharing your experiences. You are a real inspiration, and I hope you find the way to radiant good health; you're sure to work it out with your determination and persistence!
Yeah I've been on a very strict candida diet for years, mostly because I don't tolerate any amount of carbohydrate foods.
I've seen a whole bunch of health practitioners and I haven't found any that were that effective. They mostly just don't know what to do with me. And whatever they try doesn't work. Also their approaches tend to be more for an average person, not someone who's been doing a million things for their health for a very long time. It's easier for them to take someone on a standard American diet and have them change a few things, take some supplements, and see results. Since I've already done an immense amount of stuff, they kind of seem to run out of ideas. I tend to be more health conscious than the practitioners themselves. I've felt like I'm better off just working on it myself with cleansing and such. That's gotten me better results than any health practitioners.
Even though I haven't resolved some of my main health issue, I definitely feel an overall difference in my heath from my diet and all the cleansing I've been doing. My skin feels better when I do all the flushes and mostly consume blended LifeFood. Slowly but surely I'll get there eventually. I'm kind of thinking that if most people have 2,000-3,000 stones, they might not get better till they remove most of them. So if I have over 10,000, then maybe I still have like 2,000 left in there, and I need to get those out before my liver can really start to recover and I notice a major difference.
I also feel that a big part of my issue with candida is due to heavy metal toxicity. I will have to take care of that, and I feel that the body can't detox properly until the liver is functioning at it's optimum. So I'm doing some heavy metal chelating but really focusing on the health of my liver. I think that's where real detoxification begins. I just wish I started doing this 10 years ago and knew what I know now about diet when I was in my teens and had a lot of digestive problems.
I recently got a bunch of friends and family interested in doing liver flushes. My mom did one recently and is doing one again tonight. My 15-year-old sister might do it as well, if she doesn't chicken out last minute. She couldn't finish the first batch of Epsom Salts , it was too gross, so I had to bring her some magnesium citrate. We'll see if she can down the oil.
Even my cousin and her boyfriend are planning to do the flush, and another friend of my parents'. I talked to all of them over the holidays about the flush so they got really excited to try it. My boyfriend has done it 5 times or so with me. It's good stuff!
My aunt who has cancer recently got out of the hospital after severe chemo and for the first time has been open to really changing her diet and lifestyle. So my whole family has been making a big effort to change how they do things and to serve as an example to support her. I totally thought my parents were hopeless when it comes to health. But I can't believe the changes they've made in the last couple of weeks. Especially my dad, he was just eating the most horrible things and drinking diet soda every day. My youngest sister who is 9 was eating nothing but macaroni and cheese and ice cream. It was just awful to watch. Now I look in their fridge and it's starting to look more like mine. My mom stopped using the microwave and bought a toaster oven. I've been meeting with them and my aunt and cousin a couple times a week to teaching them how to make some simple raw food that I make. Just to show them that there are a lot of better and healthier options so they can make healthier choices. I'm really proud of all of them, and my aunt is doing rather well so far.
I heard mostly after 10-12 flushes our body will be stone free but how someone did 42 flushes and still getting stones? Though our liver is a large organ and its quite difficult for it to hold nearly 10,000 stones.
That's kind of why I'm concerned that I might be producing them while I'm getting them out. Although I have heard of people passing 10,000 stones and then they stop coming out. Also have read that someone diagnosed with a fatty liver condition have more like 20,000 stones and that this can be corrected with flushing. But I guess we'll see. I'll definitely update this thread if they stop coming out.
I guess comparing one person's stones to another might not always work because someone might have 3,000 stones that are mostly larger, and another person can have 20,000 that are mostly smaller, and the number of flushes it takes someone to get rid of them might vary greatly as well, depending on their bodies ability to release them.
I was digging through old posts from a few years ago and found one person who said they've done around 130 flushes and only got out around 3,5000 stones. They seemed to have a hard time releasing them, only 30-50 at a time. Sometimes they'd have 4 flushes with no stones, and then later get 30-50 more. It's very possible they were producing them all along. They did say their diet wasn't that great.
Let me just say WOW!
Amazing job there , greatly appreciate that you are sharing !
Just wonder how often you have done your flushes ?
I am just starting my fat liver journey and trying to plan
Congrats and thx !
Vidda
Hi Vidda,
When I started a couple years ago I was aiming for every 2 weeks, but sometimes other stuff would come up and it would be longer. Then I started to try to do them every weekend. Of course stuff would come up some weekends and I would skip a week or more. Then I took a really long break for several months, was just really busy with other things. I picked it up again a few weeks ago. I'm a huge fan of Dr. David Jubb's work. He recommends doing LifeFood Nutritional fasting in conjunction with the liver flushes. I think his program is incredible. Basically you eat nothing but blended foods, some fresh juices, or some raw nut/seed milks for 14 days. He primarily recommends blending food, like making raw soups and smoothies. During the 14 days you do 3 flushes. Some of them he refers to as a Liver Flush in which you use 4-6 oz of oil, and the other he calls a Gallbladder flush in which you use 8-12 oz of oil. Also his protocol is a bit different in that you take the oil/lemon juice during the day around 2:30 and then do a coffee enema at 3 pm.
Since I've been experimenting with that protocol more lately I get much better results and I seem to throw up less when I do it during the day.
His whole program is amazing because you are not starving yourself while you are doing the fasting but you are actually flooding your body with nutrition. Unlike juice fasting where you might feel kind of low blood sugar, when you are making blended soups you are using high quality oils and avocados, so you actually feel full and satisfied. A friend of mine did a liquid fast on raw smoothies for a week recently and said it was the most effective kind of cleansing results he's ever done.
Over the holidays while I had more time off work I did 2 flushes per week, taking the oil during the day.
Last night I did it at night because I don't have enough time to do it during the day, and I did get sick and ended up throwing up after 2 hours. I've just kind of come to except that this is part of my process, as unpleasant as it is.
I've felt that doing them frequently has worked really well for me but I know that others feel that they need to wait at least a couple of weeks or more.
Dr. Jubb says that he has worked with very sick cancer patients who don't have a lot of time and can't wait 2 weeks between flushes and it has worked very well to have them do these frequently. His ex-wife Annie Jubb with whom he wrote several books, also works with very sick people. She says that the cancer patients she works with keep up the nutritional fasting and flushing every week for like 6 months or however long it takes them to reverse the toxic condition in their body.
I think one might have to just see for themselves how often they feel comfortable flushing. I'm going to keep aiming for once a week when I can, and maybe throw in an extra flush per week when I have more time off work.
I feel like I gain a certain momentum when I do them frequently where my body moves them out better, others feel that they have to wait a few weeks for their stones to take time to move through the bile ducts from further regions. You might want to experiment.
I though I am ready, after red Clark and Moritz, now I am going on Jubbs protocol :-)
Sounds very interesting,indeed. Iwill check it out. It sounded some what extreme every 2 weeks and no enough time to recover the liver. But maybe all these 14 days raw food make the difference in teh world
Thank you so much for your input, your story is so ispirational !
Best of luck to you,
V
If you would like to get some more info on the Jubb protocol, David and his ex-wife Annie have written a bunch of book.
One of them is called the LifeFood Recipe book. Annie mostly put it together. It's much easier to read but because her philosophy is a bit more loose than David's, she has stuff in there that's not always LifeFood. Some of it is more like transitional raw food, like Nama Shoyu or Bragg's Liquid Aminos. Sometimes she might have stuff like dates, bananas and cashews in some of her recipes. The recipes are still good, but I personally would exclude all hybridized foods and use something else instead.
I think this is one of their older books, like from the 80s if I remember correctly. They do outline the LifeFood Nutritional fast in this one.
One book that's just incredible that David wrote is "Jubb Cell Rejuvenation". It's not the easiest to read, it is kind of technical, but really amazing. You can get that book on Amazon.com. I have some of his other books, and those are even more technical. Just be prepared to kind of really sit with it and try to understand what he is saying, like you would a Science book. He goes into colloidal biology and how all living things such as cells and microbe forms are made up of the building blocks which are the colloid of life. Depending on the terrain and condition of the body, these lifeforms can disassemble and form into less friendly lifeforms, and when the toxic condition is corrected they can mutate back into the more friendly microbes and cells. Also in this book he outlines a more advanced 14-day nutritional fast, with certain whole food herbal formulas he recommends and the use of up to 4 castor oil packs per day over the liver while on the fast.
I found that an easier way to do the LifeFood Nutritional Fast for me while I'm working during the week and don't always have much time to do everything he recommends in the book, is to just fast on liquids, take some of the formulas he recommends, and do one or two castor oil backs per day. Then I do the flushes on the weekends. Sometimes I can't do it during the day like he recommends, so then I do them at night, the way Moritz recommends but with 8 oz oil/8 oz lemon juice. So I integrate what I can. One can do this even without the wholefood herbal formulas he recommends, just with blended LifeFood and doing flushes whenever they have time, and as many castor oil packs as they can fit in. If you are just doing blended foods, castor oil packs and flushes on the weekends when you can with some coffee enemas, that's a fairly inexpensive full detoxification program, it's pretty powerful.
Some of the supplements that he sells and recommends in his books like EvacuEase is a whole leaf Aloe Vera formula designed to help move the bowels.
WildZyme is an enzyme formula which has a huge range of different enzymes not found in any other formula. I'm not sure what's in DigestAid, but it helps with digestion. I've also used his BlueMate formula which is magnesium oxide mixed with humic and fulvic acid to allow the body to be able to actually use the magnesium. So if one can't afford his high quality formulas, one can get some whole leaf aloe juice, and some magnesium oxide like Oxy-powder or Colosan, and maybe mix it with some humic/fulvid acid if they have some, then add lemon. Or use a little bit Epsom Salts to help their bowels move. There are lots of inexpensive ways to do this.
David says that when we take some of these different types of minerals that are mined and don't come from food, we need to mix them with some kind of humates in order for the body to be able to use them. So things like baking soda, magnesium oxide, or Epsom Salt, can be more available for the body to use when mixed with humic/fulvic acid.
Another really good formula he has is called EarthMate, which contains several different kinds of medicinal mushrooms with naturally occurring Vit D. I believe it has Reishi, Maitake, Shiitake and some others.
You would have to get a free account in order to download these.
Under "Podcasts" on the right hand side, go to "Heath", then select "Dr. David Jubb". You can listen to the interviews from there or download them. The ones towards the bottom are older, and as you listen through them they kind of build on each other. I have all of them on my iPod and have to really listen through all of them more than once for this stuff to sink it. It's really advanced information. There are also a few interviews with Annie Jubb where she talks about the Liver/Gallbladder flush protocol that they teach.
David is traveling right now and doesn't have a working web site, so to order any of the supplements one has to call the following phone number and leave a message: 212.353.5000
His LifeColloid pro-biotic/mineral/super vitalize formula is really incredible, he talks about it in the interviews a lot. I've been taking it for about a month and a half. I noticed a significant shift and detoxification after just using it for 2 days.
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