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  • Phony journalist at the heart of attacks on Dr. Wakefield. by  befurther  28 mon  596  Vaccination Debate
    "It is quite clear that you do not understand English. Brian Deer is not a member of the Sunday Times staff. He is a freelance journalist who runs his own website and blog and is not under the control or direction of the Sunday Times. Mr. Deer should not represent himself as a Sunday Times journalist. He is not a member of staff, does NOT have a regular salary from us, is not on our pension scheme and pays his own tax as a freelance. If he says that he writes for the Sunday Times that would be correct. He is a contributor to The Sunday Times on an occasional basis but again we have no control over him ..."

    - Alaistair Brett, Legal Manager, Sunday Times

    http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/01/keeping-anderson-cooper-honest-is-brian-deer-the-fraud.html

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    • Freelance = Phony ? by  #124880  28 mon  602
      A lot of professional journalists would take issue with that, many started that way.

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      • Re: Freelance = Phony ? by  befurther  28 mon  562
        Are you saying most "professional" journalists start out misrepresenting who they are, and obfuscating the truth? Because that is what this guy did.

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        • Re: Freelance = Phony ? by  #124880  28 mon  589
          A great amount of evidence from many sources has now revealed that Wakefield fraudulently presented and interpreted his "evidence" in the study at the behest of trial lawyers. Even if he didn't cook the data and/or misinterpret findings, I'm not sure why his work was so highly valued. It was an extremely small sampling and no other researcher could replicate the work! Large volumes of follow-up data produced by further independent research is the only kind that has any weight in the scientific world - Like not here.

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          • Re: Freelance = Phony ? by  spudlydoo  28 mon  553
            Very well said, its nice to see a balanced and sensible view, on this issue.

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            • Re: Freelance = Phony ? by  qualityoflife  28 mon  579
              Hear is an interview with Dr. Wakefield and how he has been crucified in mainstream media.

              http://www.naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=B9D23224EC0AE34FD5415B72B27B1BE5


              Listen to his viewpoint.

              I will upload a MP3 showing vaccine studies conducted on African children that show the real results of vaccines. Stay tuned...it not pretty. The podcast was on the BBC network. Funny that US mainstream media never mentioned this podcast.

              http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00x4013

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              • Re: Freelance = Phony ? by  spudlydoo  28 mon  561
                I've seen this interview before, but I'm not convinced, and people will believe a lot of garbage if it suits their own political views, or Conspiracy theories.

                That being said, although I consider this study to be tainted, I do think that there could be a link between vaccines and the problems 'some' people have, after receiving vaccines, and this needs to be looked into, and studies need to be done, independently of politics, or financial self interest.

                There are a lot more environment toxins polluting this planet today, and focusing on vaccines, to the exclusion of other possible contributors is bad science. Vaccines are merely a popular target at the moment.

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                • Re: Freelance = Phony ? by  RyanD  28 mon  559
                  No conspiracy, just denial .just look at the toxic chemical makeup of the deadly vaccines !
                  If you had ever talked to a mother who brought a perfectly healthy baby into a physician to be vaccinated and within minutes afterwards the poor child begins screaming and falling to the floor banging there head never to return to normal you wouldn't consider your sensible discussion anything more then pure denial and calloused indifference to what awaits any young child whose parent are so uninformed as to allow strangers to inject toxic chemicals into their child!
                  I am not at all surprised by who the people are who support this criminal abuse, some people are totally mesmerized by authority figures !

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                  • Re: Freelance = Phony ? by  spudlydoo  28 mon  546
                    Very emotive Ryan, but all the hysterical emotion changes nothing.

                    There are cases of children that have responded badly to vaccines, just as there are cases of people responding badly to any drug, or even natural supplements. Studies do need to be done, to find out why this is happening, independent studies, where there is no financial interest by those engaged in the studies. Tainted studies and fraudulent studies, only further damage the interests of the other side of the debate.

                    Ranting and hysterical emotive outbursts, add nothing to the issue.

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                    • Re: Freelance = Phony ? by  RyanD  28 mon  549
                      Yes it is very emotional to see a child so damaged by these vaccines that it does this to them! I suppose you think it humorous also!
                      But the hypocrisy is outstanding ,you rant and rave about polluting the planet yet you support injecting some of these very same pollutants directly into an infants fragile body ! Why am I not surprised!

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                      • Audio Embedded Re: Freelance = Phony ? by  qualityoflife  28 mon  807
                        Can someone help me please? I have the African Vaccine Study file uploaded to a couple of sites but you would have to download the file to hear the podcast and I don't want anyone downloading any viruses. I can test the download but you don't know me. These are free hosting sites. The problem is the podcast is 68 MB and the music hosting sites cut off at 50 MB.

                        If you have a good anti virus program, should it be OK to download?

                        Here is the link. I will test it.




                        codebase="http://activex.microsoft.com/activex/controls/mplayer/en/nsmp2inf.cab#Version=5,1,52,701"
                        standby="Loading Microsoft Windows Media Player components..." type="application/x-oleobject">








                        WIDTH="720" HEIGHT="576"
                        autostart="true" designtimesp="5311" loop="false">


                        Launch in external player or download.



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                        • Audio Embedded Re: Freelance = Phony ? by  qualityoflife  28 mon  843
                          The download works just fine. There are so many ads on the hosting site however; the download works. I'll try to find a better site.
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                          The download works perfectly. I have a complete paid for virus program called AVG with free Ad-Aware and had no problems or warnings. I am well protected. The virus scan was clean.

                          If you don't want to mess with downloading this file. I am going to split the file into 2 separate files and upload to a better site. This file is a must hear for vaccine doubters. See how vaccine studies are conducted on the children of the poorest countries in the world.




                          codebase="http://activex.microsoft.com/activex/controls/mplayer/en/nsmp2inf.cab#Version=5,1,52,701"
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                      • Re: Freelance = Phony ? by  spudlydoo  28 mon  545
                        You are making false accusations now Ryan, I have never supported vaccines, in fact I think they are the cause of a lot of health problems, so you are wrong Ryan.

                        Your personal attack is expected, but keep ranting Ryan, the only one who looks silly doing this, is you.

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                    • Re: Freelance = Phony ? by  #128968  28 mon  515
                      NORMAL people become emotive when their children are disabled.

                      one of the symptoms of an AUTIST will display is to be abnormally unemotional.

                      sounds to me like a classic case of stockholm syndrome.

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                      • Re: Freelance = Phony ? by  spudlydoo  28 mon  497
                        Yes, people get upset when their children are disabled. This however is not the case with the poster, that my reply was directed too. This poster uses emotive language, but it is insincere. This poster is interested in furthering his own personal grudges, by falsely accusing others of being uncaring, among other false accusations. This has nothing to do with the topic, which is the veracity of the study by Wakefield.

                        Your comment about Autistic people is wrong. People who are Autistic, feel emotion the same as others, and many Autistic people display a extreme sensitivity to emotional stress. Saying that Autistic people do not display emotion, shows that you have not had much contact with people who have Autism. It is also an insult to those with Autism.

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                • Re: Freelance = Phony ? by  befurther  28 mon  541
                  "I've seen this interview before, but I'm not convinced, and people will believe a lot of garbage if it suits their own political views, or Conspiracy theories."

                  That's not a balanced statement because you have tied the interview into it.

                  Do you mean like the political views or conspiracy theories about by those that accuse Dr. Wakefield of supposed "wrong-doing" as well?

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          • Re: Freelance = Phony ? by  befurther  28 mon  534
            I was addressing the issue of the Journalist who said he was working for a paper that he was not. Wakefield's studies have been replicated in other countries as he mentioned in his statement.

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          • Autism study was not a Hoax. by  befurther  28 mon  517
            http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1754066#i

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