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  • Are we fully prepared to fast? by  serenity now  28 mon  789  Fasting: Water Only
    Someone made the comment, yesterday, that no one on this forum had properly--diet-wise--prepared for their fast.

    Well, apparently they're not reading the posts. Sure, I can't speak for everyone else, but I can speak for myself.

    I've been planning this fast for six months, elevating my diet, consuming nutrient rich foods and juices. On top of that, my wife and I ingest a mind-numbing assortment of powders and juices. You name it, we're probably consuming it.

    I've been a high raw vegan for a year and a half. I've conducted various cleansing programs--Robert Gray and Rich Anderson-- during the past year. I finally completed the last one in November. Believe me, when you're finally done, you know it!

    In the interest of full disclosure, on October 7, I finally jettisoned coffee--my own foolish vice-- because I didn't want the headaches when I started my fast in January, and I wanted to radically elevate my alkalinity.

    I've read all the fasting gods--mostly notably, Shelton and Fuhrman--over and over and over. I could quote them in my sleep.

    November and December, I implemented an even higher raw diet, dominated by greens. The only cooked food I allowed was potatoes and steamed broccoli. Oh yeah, and a little parmesan cheese in my dressing.

    By the way, does my diet make me special somehow? Hell no. I say, let everyone do what they choose. I refuse to judge. But, it does make me determined. And it does make me...prepared.

    Several weeks before I started this fast, I began to get my head into the game, counting the cost, reminding myself of what I was about to do.

    And finally, several days before the fast began, I went to the clinic and completed my blood profile. My potassium level was 7.5, much higher than the reference range of 3.5 - 5.0.

    I was finally ready.

    And today, mid-fast, my daughter--she won't let me drive!--will be taking me down to the clinic again, for another potassium blood test. If my potassium has dropped to 3.2--according to Fuhrman's advise--I'm out.

    However, if I'm still in the game, next week I'll do another blood test.

    So, I'm following the rules.

    However, there are others here who haven't done this kind of preparation. And they're not following all of the so-called rules.

    Does that give me the right to judge?

    No, because that would make me a hypocrite. You see...despite my preparation, despite my planning, despite my research, despite my adherence to Fuhrman's protocol, I'm still violating his primary advise.

    In the end, I'm in no position to do anything other than support others, give advice if they ask, and sometimes--if they're open to it--gently, non-arrogantly, suggest a safer, more effective approach.

    Happy Fasting!

    Serenity



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    • Re: Are we fully prepared to fast? by  NH.is.Scientific  28 mon  730
      Hi Serenity,

      Glad to see you've got past the hunger!

      I'm planning to read all of your back entries but, just in case I don't find the answer, are you following Shelton's advice about qualified supervision during the fast?

      Regards,
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      • Qualified supervision? by  serenity now  28 mon  719
        Exellent question, NH.

        That was my final point, regarding not following Fuhrman's protocol.

        At the beginning, I didn't enlist qualified support. Why? Frankly because I didn't think I'd last beyond the first three days, much less seven.

        However, now that I've made it this far, I've enlisted an experienced Naturapath, someone who ran a fasting clinic for years, and has helped many to cancer recovery, including my sister-in-law. (She juice-fasted, by the way)

        But...even my fasting superviser wouldn't match Fuhrman's criteria--he's not a medical doctor.

        Hope that answers your question!

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        • Re: Qualified supervision? by  NH.is.Scientific  28 mon  733
          Serenity,

          Yes and thank you. I'm informally studying NH and would like to one day gain experience supervising fasting because here in the UK, practitioners are few and far between and the need is great. I'm also hoping that my wife who suffers from MS will one day take NH seriously and, with any luck, gain some benefit from it.

          Unfortunately, here in the UK, practioners and fasting institutions are incredibly scarce so I must make do for the moment with reading the experiences of people like yourself.

          Keep the end goal in mind and may your journey be fruitful.

          NH

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          • Re: Qualified supervision? by  serenity now  28 mon  701
            NH,

            My prayers are with you and your wife. I pray that she will find the benefit she seeks, and that perhaps NH is the answer.

            I, too, have habored a secret desire to either buy or create a fasting clinic. I'm not sure if I'd focus on modified juice fasting, or water fasting, or both.

            Cancer seems to resist water fasting. But it bows before
            certain kinds of juice fasting.

            I'd run the business aspect of the clinic: someone else would handle the clients--for the most part, that is.

            While I'm not degreed or appropriately educated, running such a place would be a labor of love.

            I wish you well in your endeavors!

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    • Re: Are we fully prepared to fast? by  montecristo5216  28 mon  766
      Lucky you! Yes, you are doing it the right way, the ideal way... However, not everybody can do it the right way, not at first.

      In my case, I started my first fast out of desperation, cause I was obese and very sick. Many of us get into fasting after trying conventional medicine to no avail. Then, we feel desperate, and jump into fasting without knowing much about it.

      I learned about fasting while fasting. And then I learned that the refeeding process, if done correctly, it is a lot more difficult than fasting itself. But it prepares the body for the second faster, which becomes easier, and easier. In the meantime, reading is a must.














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      • Re: Are we fully prepared to fast? by  serenity now  28 mon  709
        Montecristo, I couldn't agree more.

        The first time I fasted, years ago, I'd come home drunk the night before, and suddenly realized I was throwing everything away.

        Desperately, I began a ten day fast the next day.

        However, because I hadn't prepared, it was the hardest ten days of my life. Hunger NEVER left. The pain was agony. I crept across the finish line, completely and utterly lethargic.

        Most important, though, I completely erradicated the biological craving for alcohol. Therefore, I accomplished my purpose.

        Also, you're absolutely right. Refeeding should be relentlessly addressed on this forum.

        I've read, time and time again, that newfound hunger becomes voracious once the fast is finished. According to Shelton, very few are able to handle the incessant hunger demands. Very few are about to follow a strict refeeding program.

        Whew. I can only hope that I can maintain the discipline.

        I sure will try!

        Happy Fasting!

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      • Re: Are we fully prepared to fast? by  montecristo5216  28 mon  738
        I forgot to add that we are always better prepared to fast than to ingest drugs and deal with their side effects. The side effects of fasting are never bad, and almost always desirable, as oppose to those created by pharmaceutical drugs.
        After all, Fasting-not Starvation- is the best medicine. Animals fast when they are sick. They do it spontaneously, Mother Nature tells them to do so.


        The message is to fast, no matter if we are prepared or not. Yes, the discomfort is bigger when our bodies have not been properly prepared for it. But when we are sick, we are to fast, no matter what. It is always the most intelligent choice.

        As I said before, preparing the body for it's the idea. Only that, the ideal, is somewhat elusive for the great majority of people who fast at first out of necessity. When we are sick, we do not always have the time nor the presence of mind to prepare the body beforehand.

        I respect the fact you could do it, and that you decided to do so long time ago, as a preventive measure to protect yourself from future disease and pain.











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        • Re: Are we fully prepared to fast? by  serenity now  28 mon  657
          Yes, yes, and that's why we should hesitate to judge those who appear to "jump" into fasting.

          Many here have sounded very...desperate.

          Also, I suspect that some, with imminent heart issues, should begin fasting immediately. Fuhrman seems to imply this, but I'd have to recheck.

          I like your comment: fasting is safer than drugs.

          And in line with your analogy, how many animals, who become sick, have "adequately prepared" to fast?

          By the way, Montecristo, I've been meaning to ask you something. In a previous post, you indicated that water fasting can make eye floaters go away.

          Why do you believe that?

          Is it primarily your own experience, or have you heard from others as well?

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          • Re: Are we fully prepared to fast? by  montecristo5216  28 mon  756
            Both, Serenity Now, both.

            I have read about it -but could not cite exactly where. Some say floaters are parasites, others blame the inner components of the eye, and even advise us to check ou eyes to rule out retinal detachment.

            I had floaters since I was a young teenager, and the doctors never offered a solution for it. This is a very common problem and mine were increasing and bothering me. In a way, I was used to them.. because they do not hurt. But I had a nagging concern in the back of my mind about this issue.

            Nothing happened to my floaters after my first extended fast-my eyesight improved, any way. After my third fast of 25 days, I found out my floaters were all gone. I did not realize it at first-since we learn to ignore them with the passing of time. I suddenly discovered they were not there, not anymore, no matter how much I tried to see them. This experience reaffirmed my trust in WF.

            I have a laconic nature- do not talk much, usually. My temperament is reserved, and talking is not easy for me. I know this is rare in a woman. My native language is not English. This last thing tends to make me even more reserved.

            But I have learned to express myself better in this forum. I am simply in love with Water Fasting, and like sharing these things.

            Re: floaters. I don't care the real reason for them, to be honest. I believe now that Toxemia is the root of most diseases - bad germs only take advantage of the poor "terrain" we turn into with our bad habits.

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