You have to read all the info that's been posted and the SUCCESS stories on a Yahoo group we've discovered, before you make any sweeping judgements. Turpentine is from pine resin...yes, it can be dangerous in larger doses....but people are starting with only drops at a time.
There is a minimum order requirement of at least $19.00 subtotal, so, I had to order three 8oz bottles and I hardly think I'll need that much. But, at least it was only 7.50 per bottle.
It is hard to believe we can take it when is really a poison. How we can figure out the right dose ?? Who has the proper information about how to take it orally ??
Jorge.
1999 Merck Manual states the dire effects of turpentine poisoning with destruction of the kidneys and lungs.
1899 Merck Manual states that turpentine therapy is effective for a wide range of conditions including gonorrhea, meningitis, arthritis, abdominal difficulties and lung disease.
BaDnOn ~ Thank you for understanding...I KNOW how nuts it sounds...the people who are trying it are all very skeptical and a little scared to do it...I am also. The thing is, once they started getting some results, the fear lifted, especailly when only using drops at a time, in order to avoid a dramatic die-off reaction.
Is there a health issue you're suffering from? Maybe I can help you research? :)
This is probably the wrong place but I'll give you a quick rundown. Look at my other posts on this forum so you can understand my position. I'm the "War Against D. Fragilis" guy. ;) Reading those posts will give you a lot of the story. I'm on (I think) day 6 now of my drug regimen. I've lived the last 6 or 7 years pursuing good health and then this whole train wreck hit me. I've done plenty of research on D. Fragilis, and what really has me stumped is the nervous system stuff. I have strange half-numb (for lack of a better term, parasthesias?) sensations in my fingers and sometimes face and feet as well as headaches often. My vision has seemingly suffered from this too, with new floaters appearing and becoming bothersome in the past months. Now, I've attributed the nerve problems perhaps with a bad reaction to Prilosec (docs didn't know what was wrong with my stomach, so that's the quick fix). I didn't have any nerve symptoms at that point, but after a week of that drug, I thought I was coming down with MS. Parasthesias everywhere, weak legs... It was even hard to talk sometimes. I wrote about it on http://www.askapatient.com.
Anyway, I don't know if the parasite has anything to do with it, but those problems are still present to a lessor degree. Sometimes they briefly abate. Don't know, but I'll quit eating up bytes on this turpentine thread and maybe we can start something else. :)
I did try turpentine and it did absolutely nothing observable for me, except that it quite freshened my breath. On the other hand, it did absolutely nothing observable against me either. Mind you, I was strictly on turpentine on what came to 110 metric drops of turpentine on 3 cubes of sugar without any dieting etc. every third day for 6 weeks. It appears that much higher doses are possible from at least one anecdotal testimony, something like an ounce a day, but I have not confirmed that on the dog (me). I also do not suffer from cancer. I have other problems. When it comes to candida, from what I have learned during the last 3 years, there is no point trying to get rid of it unless you get rid of parasites. Without that, candida just keeps coming back and at best you can constantly keep it at bay with diet, MMS etc. but not with your immune system. Candida, as any fungus, onlz cleans up to start with, even though once imbedded, does its own damages as well.
Dr Daniels was forced out of the country because she was curing people with this cleanse. I don't know how she makes a living now except I do know that she sells these wonderful capsules that help with the cleanse. All I ask for giving you this information is that you please repay her in some way when you can, as soon as you can. You can reach her through vitalitycapsules.com and I also recommend purchasing them as well. Maybe that's how you could pay her back for her wonderful knowledge and extensive research she put into finding this cure. That being said, you all know what you should do! So here it is:)
First, you want to clear the body of as much candida as possible by staying well hydrated (1 quart water per 60 lbs body weight)and putting only the best of foods and liquids into it. This means basically all whole foods, organic and local preferably; the fresher the produce and less sprayed with chemicals the better! You can have overcooked grains as well. And it's preferred that you eat a mostly raw vegan diet but cooked is okay as long as you follow the protocol. I recommend making a huge batch of veggie broth at home and using it throughout the week to cook your grains and veggies in INSTEAD of oils. It works just as well and tastes amazing! No animal products are allowed. Or nuts or oils or fats of any kind. So basically veggies, fruits, and overcooked grains are acceptable. No prepackaged anything including rice milks, granola bars, raw bars, dried fruits are out, bread (even raw breads) etc. You must drink lots of water and omit anything else but herbal teas. This means no alcohol!
Once you have been eating cleanly for 2 or 3 days start taking ACES by Carlson, a B-50 Complex, trace minerals (twice the dosage),B-12, and 1/4 cup flax seed soaked overnight in 1 cup of water, stir and drink in am. I recommend B-12 from Hippocrates Health Institute and a raw B-50 supplement, they have these at whole foods.
You also must make sure you are omitting waste 3 or more times daily, if this is not occurring for you, Dr Daniels' vitality capsules work wonders! But just going on this whole foods diet and drinking plenty of healthy fluids (no caffeine or alcohol!) will help in this process so you may not need to.
Then, you are ready to take the turpentine. I would say make sure your diet has been pure for a week at least, but if you are a person who has never cleansed and who eats the Standard American Diet daily then you should cleanse for up to 4 weeks before attempting this. I would also test it out first by taking a lesser dosage because Candida die-off can be worse for some people, especially if you are a little heavier. So the regular dosage is 3 sugar cubes (domino dots) and stack one on top of the other. Drip 1 tsp. turpentine of pure gum spirits (it must be of pure gum spirits!) onto the top sugar cube and wait until it soaks into all three. Then eat and chase with water. It tastes kind of minty and refreshing and the sugar gives it a nice sweet taste. No complaint at all!
She also recommends that if you have had symptoms for more than 2 years you might want to take this dosage once every 4 days, then twice a week until you feel like you did before you had it. Long term dosage is twice a year like our ancestors did.
Be careful though, if you have had candida for a longer period of time or have been on the Standard American Diet for your whole life like me you will have more candida and toxins to rid your body of, so take it slow and cleanse your body right! Remind yourself upon waking and throughout the entire day that you are doing this cleanse for your well-being and praise yourself for doing something so loving for your body. It will pay you back, I promise! Your body is amazing and it will heal, but you must step out of the way and let it. This is just as much mentally as as it is physically. So clear your body and your mind of the toxic energy we tend to pump ourselves with on a daily basis in this society we live in. Love yourself and you will heal!
That's really sad about Dr. Daniels. I would love to know the whole story about her experience and being run out of the country. What a shame when it becomes a crime to heal others. It breaks my heart.
I would be willing to donate to her cause for providing this protocol. Perhaps she can put a donate button on her site or someone can make a site for her. It's horrible when someone is run out of the country for helping others naturally but that is exactly what's happening here in the U.S. Hopefully this will change. Perhaps those in power will someday see that money and power are illusions. As far as Dr. Daniel, I feel it's only fair to give back something to those that help us. Even if it's a few dollars or only a thank you. It's good karma. People who only take in life without giving back often wonder why they are broke, down and out and suffering.
I have a question about this protocal to those that know. Do you take the 1tsp of turpentine with 3 sugar cubes every 4 days until you feel relief? (when do you stop?) or 2 times a week until relief? what are some of the reactions people are getting on this protocal? die-off? can this cause liver damage? sorry i'm confused how long you do this for and it really sounds scary. I would love to hear some testimonials and what others have experienced on this system. As fascinated as I am with this I have to admit I'm nervous. It sounds like you only take very little. I've always loved pine trees, such a lovely tree. What a blessing if this really works. Well..good luck to those that try it. Please post and share. xoxo
Hi and thanks for all the info. I have done i bit of search about a month worth on identifying the pure turpentine and getting hold of it and it is not clear cut for lots of misleading and contradictory info on the web. But. I did buy some in Canada (no shipping of this stuff from US) and apparently found a source. Just to make darn sure I got the true turpentine, I did some more searching and found this.
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A gallon or two of true Pure Gum Spirits of Turpentine. Nothing else will do. Not Spirits of Turpentine. Not Turps. Not Turpentine. And, even if it says on the can that it is pure gum spirits of turpentine, don't believe it. Smell the stuff. If it doesn't smell exactly like pine sap, don't use it--it probably has some petroleum additives to increase its bulk. And even if the store keeper says that nothing is added, trust only your nose. If it don't smell like pine sap, it probably isn't.
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How ironic that you are writing on the same day I tried this stuff. I've been reading these boards for a couple months now and I've noticed that all the postings are from way earlier this year. I thought maybe this turpentine thing blew over.
Honestly after trying the stuff, I don't feel much different, and all that stuff that whatever "daddy" guy was saying about it hurting is not happening to me, given I just took it moments ago. I'll give it some time and I'll probably take a few more doses, but I think it's a lot of hype for nothing, on both sides of the arguement. Either way, don't get careless. It is turpentine. I kept it at 1 teaspoon. I'll let you guys know if my condition changes. Don't hold your breath though.
I have tested 8 metric drops yesterday on a sugar cube and I felt marginally better today, but that may mean nothing, as these things I am trying to get rid off are a fluctuating business. I have downed 90 drops tonight after 12 hours without food and on the occasion checked that my teaspoon contains ~110 metric drops of turpentine, while Canadian cube sugar, Redpath brand, edge length 15mm, can hold the teaspoon easily in two cubes.
What is going to happen is to be seen, but I have started to record what I am eating, when, when and how much turpentine and with what has been ailing me etc, which will eventually find its way here whatever the results, while I have dropped all other little helpers I have been, with a fair success using till now.
When it comes to the general term "poisonous", what a bull!! What is not poisonous? It is pretty much a question of how much. Turpentine is deadly at 1500mg/kg in 50% of rats [acute oral], that is 1.6g/kg, that is 112.5g/75 kg (still in rats :-) That is my dear a 1/4 pound hamburger worth, the bun and condiments included, because the 1/4 pound comes before the patty is cooked (still in rats :-)
In any case, it is much less poisonous than hulevalot of standard pharmaceuticals as well as food additives and not much more poisonous than kitchen salt, which stands at 3000mg/kg still in rats [acute oral]:-) Considering, that among many kinds of trees, I have never seen a sick pine, contrary to cedars, spruce, firs etc, including infestation by damaging insect, it has occurred to me that pine certainly knows what it is doing, contrary to many a foolish man.
Ok guys, don't know if anyone still reads this stuff, but I've done this "candida cleaner" for four days now. Keep in mind, I started Nystatin around the same time. For the first couple of days, I got a little thick phlegm, even a little of that white kind out of my throat and sinuses, but no real relief. At this moment, my symptoms are still here, although after noticing a little red in my stool last night and this morning, I've decided to quit the turpentine treatment. I'm pretty sure this will clear up on it's own, but I am a little concerned. Some of you may think I'm a fool for ingesting this crap, but when you are practically chained to your house for 8 months straight, and every doctor has no answers, you'll try just about anything. Just thought this would be useful information to anyone else considering this treatment.
The protocol calls for two treatments a week and you state that you have quit after four days, which is maximum two treatments. What have you expected as a result on such a short notice?
Anyway, I have actually tested it and am still testing and the result is so far rather neutral. No Herxheimer and my problems got only mildly better so far. It sure boosts and stabilizes the mood though, which itself is a strong positive. I have also gone rather beyond Dr, Daniels advice and subjected myself to a teaspoon of turpentine on sugar every third day and 1/3 of a teaspoon every day in between since 6th January till 18th January. It may be too much and therefore I have switched now to strictly Dr. Daniels dosage. If it still does nothing for me to report, too bad. If it does, I would report.
The way Dr. Daniels described it, it shouldn't take many doses to notice a difference. All I know is it was getting painful and I had dark stool with red in it. Seemed like a no-brainer to stop. Stool has cleared up and no more irritation in my digestive tract.
I've now been using diflucan for about 2 weeks. I've shown some improvement but I've got a long way to go. Seems much more promising than turpentine and less risk.
I`m glad this was of some help.I posted this here not because i doesn`t work,but because it does.It really works,and believe me,I`ve tried EVERYTHING!!!One thing I must point out though,especially to knufflesmcblimp, is that you absolutely MUST abstain from refined sugar and ALL breads/sweets for at least a week in advance or you`re wasting your time.Drink plenty of water too.Also,the bowels MUST be clear (as in,'ready for action' at all times :). When you pass a significant amount of this wrenched stuff and get a good look at what systemic candidosis really looks like,you`ll understand where the blood came from.Imagine a small jelly fish with it`s tendrils extending through your intestinal walls.Now imagine the little bugger ripping out those tendrils so that it may make a hasty retreat from what it perceives as a threat to it`s survival(rightfully so!) If the bowels aren`t clear,it will have nowhere to escape to and will simply retreat further into your tissues and die,increasing the so-called die-off symptoms.Some people have reported their skin actually turning black because of this!Also,pro-biotics are a must.In my case,I eat tons of sauerkraut and this works for me.When in doubt,follow the protocols and you`ll be fine.
Forgot to add that I`m free and clear for over a year now,having suffered intensely with it since about the age of twelve(I`m 39 now) after spending a month on antibiotics for tonsillitis.I still maintain a maintenance dose for the simple reason that I no longer get sick.Ever.Prior to beginning the program I would get everything going around and the flu at least once a year like clockwork,so I definitely see a connection.Take from this what you will.
I found the "manual" that she sells. It was online somewhere. the recommended dose was 1 teaspoon pure gum turps drizzled over three 1 cm cube sugar cubes stood in a tower. She was very specific that there must not be excess turps at the base, that the turps had to be only part of the way thru the bottom cube. If 1 cm cubes not available, then 3/4 teaspoon of turps onto a teaspoon of sugar. All sugar had to be regular processed White Sugar .
Must have good bowel movements before you start.
I actually found this page looking for the web site which had published it although I did download the document - it was a pdf file.
My MD gave me a glass of water in his office today, one drop of turpentine for every 10 pounds. He stood there while I drank it and told me to come back in 10 days for another dose to kill all the eggs that would hatch in that time. He gave me a protocol to recondition my gut and that was it. He talked about a turpentine that started with an R. Sorry folks but the candida affects my memory. I hope this works cuz I've had candida forever and spent a fortune getting rid of it ... And I've still got it.
Hmm. Turpentine did nothing for me, but.
First of all I am now convinced, that dosage I used was inadequate. That is number one. Number two, I have found out about abscisic acid ABA, and I definitely recommend anyone to research it. It is certainly involved in Maple sirup sodium bicarbonate cure, humans produce it too and the most appears to be produced, or at least stored in brain and liver tissues, none the less, it is also a part of urine. As for urine, for all I have found out so far, females from first pregnancy to menopause, after which all kinds of problems begin, including heart, cancer, osteoporosis etc. Therefore, even the medical quality of turpentine, being derived from plants, will depend on the time, when in the season has the raw material been collected, because ABA survives long boiling, or wet distillation as used for making of turpentine. Not that Abscisic acid is a cure all, but it is a cure hell of a lot and in conjunction with correctly used urine, is almost cure all. ABA functions in the body are mostly regulatory, but ABA among other things regulates cell division and if I am not entirely stupid, it is a natural compound used by Dr. W.F.Koch between 1918 a 1921 curing terminal cancers with more than 90% success rate due to its capacity to cause apoptosis strictly in cancer cells. It also appears to be able to trigger regeneration of tissues lost to tumors. It most certainly also harms fungi, bacteria and viruses, even thou it appears that the mode of activity is not known. ABA actually ties at least to a substantial degree several curing methods and products.
A)Use of fresh juices, because whatever greens are relatively freshly picked, but not used immediately, produce ABA between their removal from the garden to the time their cells are destroyed.
B)Use of any sprouting seeds and bulbs etc, including fresh juice form potatoes, from which ABA is extracted commercially, besides cotton.
C)Autohemotherapy, even though the role of ABA is relatively low here. It involves recycling ABA in blood plasma
D)Urinotherapy as mentioned
E)content of ABA in Mumio, which is derived from seasonal dying of mountain vegetation, where there are conditions for its seepage through the ground and its drying out sheltered from rain.
F)Maple sirup and bicarbona as mentioned
G)The spontaneous cancer cures during and after pregnancy.
H)Since the precursor of ABA production in the body are carrotens, intense carrot juicing is also a related cure. One of the ABA pioneers, Dr. Livingston, ran a successful clinic in California till her rather unexpected death using crushed raw liver with carrot juice as the main curing agent.
One of the major functions of ABA appears to be its capacity to scavenge not free oxidative radicals, That theory is finally being recognized as false, but by scavenging hydroxyl radical OH, which causes severe primary chelation of calcium and magnesium from blood serum with any inflammation in the body from whatever cause, even with correct blood pH and even with high blood pH, which body supplements from the bone reserves removing from them calcium, phosphorus, magnesium and copper, to name the most important ones. One ABA molecule can pick up at least 3 OH groups. This can actually be also achieved by drinking water bubbled through (enriched) by hydrogen, or by breathing it regularly. Hydrogen would actually do this for us, if our intestinal flora were not screwed up by the lousy diets and antibiotics.
I apologize for being so curt, but time is rather scarce and all info can be gotten on the net.
BTW, mentioning the never really proven oxidative stress theory from 1956, even orthodox sources from the West are beginning to realize, that it has been a total clinical fiasco. But, the groundwork has been done i Russia at least 30 years ago and Japan has been cottoning up during the last 10 years. Oxidative radicals, especially H2O2, NO group and any metallic peroxides are essential to our oxidative (read cellular breathing) and processing of compounds not oxidable by O2. What needs to be addressed is the hydroxyl group OH, which is the real reason behind ischemic injuries and during any inflammation, be it caused by bacteria, virus, radiation or poisoning.
SDK
P.S. And please, before you object, do your homework.
Been sick with systemic candida for over 2 years -HORRID stuff. Hard to manage when you have a child and a full time job.
Haven't found a cure but tried lots of things with bad die offs. My die offs have been lasting MONTHS with no end in sight. If I get a virus, seems I have to start all over again.
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