I have come to the conclusion that I have swayed to the hypo side!
I am taking all the companions, as per recent posts, and am at 50 mg. of lugols.
Right now I am in such a brain fog, not sleeping as well and my period will not stop. My hands and feet are freezing. I want to do the basal temperature first thing in the morning but last night I had to get up before I could take it (my dog woke me) so I could not get an accurate reading. I know Brownsteins book says this can happen and I am not jumping ship, just have 2 questions if someone has experience with this....
1. Should I increase my Lugols?
2. Stop Lugul's and switch to SSKI and magnescent since they are the ones the thyroid likes better. I have both items on hand.
3. Increase the selenium (I'm only taking 200)
I have looked back at old posts and found some wonderful information but not really how to get the thryoid working again!
I would up the Iodine AND the selenium for a few of months; you can use the lugols, simply "reduce" it in vitamin C then you get the thyroid version. (while you wait for Trappers SSKI & magnacent)
Let say double it; 100 mg of iodine, and 600 mcg selenium; that was about the right dosage for me (60 kilos of weight)
Coconut oil?
Dry brushing your skin?
Adress adrenals; as they also have a say in low temperature?
I just bought coconut oil.....how do I take it? Just cook with it or try to actually eat it....
I have the SSKI with magnents and magnescent here. Took them for a good 6 months before the switch to Lugols to address the FBD.
I take 4000 of C divided into two doses.
High fermented cod liver oil too which I thought would give me my good fats.
I think I have been doing these periodic "swings" to the hypo side its just the symptoms are different/worse this time.
I have looked through old posts and this has happened to many before me. It is always good when you can find someone else this has happened to so you don't feel so bad!
I am doing nettle and jiaogulan tea and honestly I thought the whole program sort of addressed the adrenals.
Oh yes; I am mostly hypo but I have had had the "swings", definitely ; I had very few hyper symptoms; racing thoughts and heart, the "high" feeling if you know what I mean; not the good, high energy from iodine, but the bad high as if one are driven by something. the hypo symptoms was much worse IMO, the lack of everything.. bowelmovements, energy, body temperature, libido, the drive to do..
I have always done the protocol a little bit different; as I take my Iodine with vit c (thyroid), + painted my breasts with straight Lugols (for breasts).
The FBD after iodine; was on and off, then off, then on, and now I dont have any pain at all, not even tension before my periods.
Coconut oil; just eat it by the spoonfuls; it is instant energy that last for hours, reduce cravings for sweets.
I have tried the jiogulan; no effect on me (2-3 months), but long term liqorice seems to do the trick.
What are your symptoms right now, emotional, physical, whats up ?
I copied and pasted what I wrote yesterday as I think it got lost....maybe not but just in case:
I am a frequent poster here but no name to my number!
I have been supplementing Iodine for about 18 months. Started with SSKI magnescent but switched to Lugol's when I wanted to address female problems.
A short history of myself.....Currently 42, 5'8" 140 lbs.
Very clean diet (all organic and no preservatives cook all foods myself. Tonights dinner menu was a beef broth with lots of veggies!)
My health problems was early stage Breast Cancer 13 years ago (DCIS), thyroid issues my whole life although never formally diagnosed, major cramping during menstruation thus anemia has been a factor.
Started iodine and love what it has done for me. Periods were 3 days in and out, minimal cramping, clearer thinking, more energy, sleep so soundly, overall feel so much better.
I was very late this month for my period and it has been off and on for the last almost 2 weeks.
This is what I do:
8-10 drops of Lugols (I did go from 6 - 9 drops this month)
200 mcg. of selenium
magnesium malate (I need to up this)
2000 - 4000 vitamin c
b-comlex
black strap molasses
cod liver oil (for vitamin D and vit A for cramping)
1/4 teas. himalayan salt for salt loading
lots of water
I rebound on a mini trampoline most days, walk my dogs a few miles (lately the weather has not permitted this), grow fresh sprouts to eat and so on.
Right now I have major brain fog, mild cramping with a period that is here for the better part of 2 weeks with many clots in the beginning but that has stopped (sorry if too graphic), sleeping is not as good, really losing the energy to do anything, haven't cooked like my normal self. I quite sure it is hypo symptoms. Many on here have said that the estrogen receptors can shut down from time to time and that it is a good thing but I feel like crap right now and this iodine journey has been mostly a good one. I was also 10 days late but ever since I got it I have not felt right.
Ok; much better;
brain fog first; iodine; up a little for a while; Trapper says 100 mg is a must over there.
Selenium; up to 400-600 mcg for a few months.
Salt; at least half a teaspoon + what you use for cooking.
Magnesium; the RDA is around 300 mg; you will probably need to double that. Andy 82 just teached me to start lower then go up to the needed level.
Boron; oh yes maybe some of you are tired of me mentioning it, but ; this survey was for only 3,5 mg of boron; what if one had an optimal intake IMO lets say 12 mg ?
It is a up an coming mineral. Mark my words..
" Collectively, the data from these three studies indicate that boron may play a role in human brain function and cognitive performance, and provide additional evidence that boron is an essential nutrient for humans.
"http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7889884
" Boron improved brain functionBoron appears to have a positive effect on the brain and central nervous system. Inadequate boron intake can contribute to a lack of energy, ability to stay focused on tasks and mental alertness.
A class of medical students were given either a three milligram supplement of boron or a placebo daily for three months. At the end of the study both the students and their teacher were asked to predict which of them had been taking the boron supplement and which the placebo. The students' predictions were pretty accurate but the teacher got it right in 92% of cases!
The likely explanation for these results was that inadequate boron intake lowered activity in regions of the brain associated with alertness. This has been shown experimentally in humans who were carefully monitored for changes using an electro-o-encephalogram (EEG) following boron supplementation"
I had to re-read your post because of brain fog and wanted to add that the following is sooooo how I feel!!!!
"Oh yes; I am mostly hypo but I have had had the "swings", definitely ; I had very few hyper symptoms; racing thoughts and heart, the "high" feeling if you know what I mean; not the good, high energy from iodine, but the bad high as if one are driven by something. the hypo symptoms was much worse IMO, the lack of everything.. bowelmovements, energy, body temperature, libido, the drive to do.."
And I did get those hyper symptoms the week before I swung to hypo I think!!! The hypo are so much worse! Thank god for this board in this quest! It is so difficult to feel so crappy and not have support like this. That is so me...so I guess I am not losing it :-))
Ginagirl, what do you mean by taking Lugol's with Vit C (thyroid)? - what does this do for thyroid?
By the way, just my two cents here. But it sounds like it's all the adrenals, if you are getting hypo symptoms again, as cortisol is needed to help thyroid hormones to be utilised by the body. In other words, once the thyroid begins to work it needs to have strong adrenals to carry the new hormones into the body otherwise, the strain on the body adds pressure on the adrenals which give very similar symptoms as underactive.
I am only guessing as i am getting the similar symptoms, but when i increase my cortisol levels via licorice root etc my hypo symptoms mysteriously disappear. Anyone got any comments on this point of view as i am only guessing here.
Adrenals and thyroid are definitely dependent on each other; and licorice is a great way to support the adrenals.
I dont know however if it takes my hypo T symptoms away; as I hardly have any left; but I take licorice daily and have done so for over a year.
Experiences like yours are great; thanks for sharing; as other forum members may benefit from it.
There are two forms of iodine; one preferred by the thyroid and another one by the breasts.
If you take Lugols with vit c you get the thyroid version (iodide; clear, no colour)
That is the simple explanation; for the newcomers it is confusing with all the different forms of using the iodine; so I keep it that way.
If you take Lugols with vit c you get the thyroid version (iodide; clear, no colour)
Oh no, Ginagirl, I'm really confused now. I though Lugol's had high potassium iodide levels in it anyway. Mine has 10% potassium iodide compared to 5% iodine. Or have i got it wrong is the "potassium" iodide different from just iodide?? And what about Magnascent? - it's clear but my understanding is that it is all iodine, not iodide?
Damn all i want is something for my dodgy thyroid, now i'm not sure i'm taking enough for it...eeek.
My first answer in this thread was for Kirsten that has been on Iodine for a while.
For the newcomers I try to answer simplicified; because it is very confucing about the different forms of iodine AND the fact that the forumers here do it differently.
+ we often have major brain fog before iodine; all this info is difficult to assimilate.
1. and foremost; get started on the iodine you can get hold of; all kinds referred to at this forum are good!
After a while some feel the need to change their iodine or adjust the intake to tweak into their target; for some it is the thyroid, others have cycts and breast pain that needs to be adressed first.
It is enough potassium Iodide in Lugols to adress your thyroid. Lugols have both forms. It is the 5 % iodine that is changed.
To get over my hypo thyroid I took over 50 mg Lugols for over a year; I have been on 100 mg for months. The only "danger" I can see on a high intake like this is if one take to lightly on the companion minerals. High iodine needs higher selenium, magnesium, salt, vit b, c etc to handle what iodine initiate.
I've started on Lugol's for my thyroid mainly and of course accompanying thyroid nodules, ovarian cyst and pituitary cyst. I'm holding out on not having to take thyroid meds meanwhile. Very hard as Lugol's still has a bit to go. I feel my adrenals are also suffering a bit with the new changes in my body but i will preserve. I just want to make sure i'm taking all i need mainly for the thyroid as this brain fog is really having an affect on my ability to function.
Iodide as opposed to Iodine is the key for quicker thyroid recovery then?
And did higher Lugol's dose have an affect or impact on your adrenals? - reason i'm holding out on increasing Lugol's dosing at this stage. It's a well known fact that you shouldn't increase thyroid function without ensuring good adrenal function, so as to support the improved thyroid and accompanying increase in hormone output/metabolism - what a bummer, no wonder i can see positive changes in my body, but brain fog and fatigue are still there even stronger than before taking iodine! - bummer!
"It's a well known fact that you shouldn't increase thyroid function without ensuring good adrenal function, so as to support the improved thyroid and accompanying increase in hormone output/metabolism "
I have healed my thyroid simulanously with my adrenals.
Still a little bit left on the adrenals, but it is easy to live with compared to hypo T.
In general; as long as one support Iodine with all its companions + the adrenals at the same time, one should do ok. All I know is that I needed to hit 50-100 mg of Lugols daily before the energy, warmth, brain function etc happened. Basically I cant see how ones adrenals can heal without a good functional thyroid and vice versa.
I can absolutely affirm what Ginagirl says about working on both thyroid and adrenals at the same time. What you say about doing adrenals first I've usually read in conjunction with increasing thyroid hormone medication. That's different. Here you're healing both systems. With both ovarian and thyroid problems, stay with Lugol's. It gives you both the elemental iodine and the iodide you need. Keep it simple right now. Follow GG's lead -- she's steering you true.
Since your brain fog is worse now than before Lugol's, that indicates bromine detox. Your companion supplements taken regularly are an absolute must.
Good to know, tx guys. I always listen to Ginagirl cause she has that whole adrenal/thyroid recovery thing happening that i can relate to and need guidance on. So tx Ginagirl!
Anyway, i can feel thyroid working better since on Lugol's for sure or at least my endocrine system for sure, but my adrenals are still lagging behind a bit.....damn those darn adrenals! Not sure if headache is Bromine detox or adrenals as i have also weaned off HC further, since being on Lugol's. Dizziness, severe brain fog and headache also feels like adrenals and like Hypo T symptoms. So hard to tell which one it is.
However, wonderful thing is, that despite this, i am getting bursts of energy during the day since on Lugol's which i didn't have when i tried previously weaning off hydrocortisone (HC) on it's own. i have been able to decrease my HC dosage quicker than i imagined while on Lugol's and increase my licorice root in take instead which previously didn't work till i took Lugol's- but have some way to go still. Now I understand that Iodine or Iodide is also good for supporting the adrenals - anyone know which one it is (iodide or iodine)?
By the way sorry I just realised that I've hijacked this thread! ooops
I think 600 mcg selenomethionine is fine, especially for someone who hasn't supplemented it before. It does buildup, but it takes awhile. After a few months, the amount can be backed off. The selenomethionine version ties straight in to what the thyroid and glutathione pathways want. The SeMC version comes later in the cycle and is, I believe, more useful as a cancer prevention tool. Both forms can be supplemented. I like Fig. 2 in this article --
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