What desperate dieters fail to focus on is that it's not really bout loosing weight through fasting but a radical >>LIFESTYLE CHANGE<< Fasting or diets dont work without the follow up!! unless you radically change your lifestyle/diet. If you loose weight through fasting and you don't radicaly change your lifestyle/diet add regular exercise it will all come back gangbusters. All forms of fasting slow the metabolism. Continued fasting without the change and regular exercise to bring the metabolism back to speed may cause permanent damage and make it really difficult to continue to loose weight in the future.
Fasting is just a tool. It is not "the" answer. Balanced quality nutrition and regular exercise is and will always be the key to permanent weight loss. Being overweight is not a thing in an of itself it is a "health" issue.
If you want to see more vids on someone who turned their life around and >>healed<< himself and lost a bunch weight too, go you YouTube a do a search on "Dave the raw food trucker"
Yes, fasting is a tool for weightloss and it's a good tool. Not only will you loose weight but you'll detox and heal your body, UNLIKE, other weightloss methods INCLUDING eating less and working out until your blue in the face. :)
For the record, I'm all for a raw foods diet, too. It also allows the body to heal and detox, but at a slower pace.
Fasting in NOT a tool for weight loss. It is a a tool for "cleansing and healing". Obesity is a HEALTH issue!!! For those ignorqant and desperate dieters not seeing the bigger picture I'll reiterate it's about LIFESTYLE change and regular exercise and that absolutely includes "working out till you are blue in the face". That last statement is what will give the fastest most lasting results. Muscle burns fat!!!! Exercise will also bring the metabolism back which in a large majority of cases of overweight folks it's already slow to begin with. Without a lifestile diet change of nutrient dense foods fasting often becomes part of a "chronic dieting tool" that facilitates eating disorders akin to binge and purge.
I just finished watching the video and it's exactly what I keep repeating about "lifestyle change" which definitely includes exercise and if you want to see the fastest results in attitude , health and yes weight loss, you will "work out till you are blue in the face". There are no shortcuts. It is a long term commitment of which fasting is just a small part and not the main focus.
You are making a blanket statement about the body, assuming every body can be placed into a box, that every person out there was given the same clean slate as the next and they we are the sole determiners of our health. While I used to agree with this train of thought, it took an out of the box diagnosis to broaden my horizons. Our bodies are much more complex than you seem to realize. There are factors such as environmental, genetic and even mental that effect our bodies in ways we are only now beginning to realize.
Explain to me how someone who is unable to build muscle can burn fat? Did you know there are hormonal diseases that prevent the building of muscle, that a specific hormone (cortisol) in excess can actually eat away at the muscle, including the heart? Did you know that the body then begins to build a defense system of FAT to protect vital organs from the overproducing cortisol and that much of that FAT distribution is located in the abdomen and back? Did you know that exercize increases the production of cortisol so that when these people, who are not as rare as we think, exercize (IF they can manage), just compounds the issue of cortisol overproduction putting them at a higher risk of death? Did you also know that this disease can be caused by steroid use (inhailants, alergy meds, cancer meds, etc., etc.) and GENETICS? The genetic cause is called MEN1. Multple-Endocrine-Neoplasm, meaning multiple endocrine tumors. The other causes are presently unknown, even in the world of natural health, although there are theories.
Did you also know that specifically located tumors can actually destroy the body's ability to produce Growth Hormone, which if you're an athletic person you should know, means bye-bye muscle and endurance! Good to know you! It also means you begin to gain weight around your lower stomach area. I was ranch hand when my tumor took out my production. Imagine going years at certain pace, lifting 100 pound bales of hay with ease and then slowly losing your abililty to do anything. Imagine working hard, harder than 90% of society, eating a somewhat healthy diet (you cheat every once in a while) and not being able to explain weight gain. Fun, right?
Now, the question is and the one I'm trying to answer for myself is how do we maintain a level of health besides our broken bodies? Not everything can be repaired, but it can be improved. Where can we gain the best health for our particular bodies, with what is available to us?
Now, I agree that every person out there will benefit from a radical lifestyle change. A lifestyle change that includes a healthy diet, exercise (at whatever level works for their body) and a positive mental outlook on life. It also helps to have an open mind. :) What I disagree with is that these factors alone will cure ALL things, including obesity. Obesity isn't always the cause of disease, sometimes it's the result or symptom of disease. Getting rid of that disease or hampering it's effects on the body is sometimes complex. Not impossible, just complex.
Don't assume that every person who fasts, even on a regular basis, is some fanatical yo-yo dieter looking for an easy way out. First, fasting isn't easy. Second, I'll say it again, our bodies are much more complex than you realize.
For the record, I can't stand that fasting has turned into a weightloss only tool for some over the last few years. I just read of someone drinking hot chocolate during a "fast" and just about died...
Look I didn't just fall off the turnip truck. I've been doing this for quite a while and have been around Curezone for more that 10 years. What you are stating is the "obvious" and you know all the 50 cent words to describe people with "specific" conditions. For the sake of brevity and to address the vast majority of dieters that have started to take over fasting forums with ridiculous things like you said about the hot chocolate on a fast or fasting on diet soda for 65 days. Those are the folks in the majority and the ones with specific issues are the ones to be addressed on an individual basis according to their specific conditions. If I was to get into a page long missives as you just posted I would spend all my time on the internet.
The starting point to address any of these complex issues you allude to will always beging with a "radical lifestyle change" and as I always say just not in this particular post is that it will take education and most of all experimentation till each finds their own groove. It will always be a "work in progress" and not some cackling in the fasting for weight loss forum about some guy that lost 80 lbs because he juice fasted.
Every one will benefit from some form of regular exercise no if and or buts about it and barring the very specific conditions you mention the fastest and most efficient way to loose weight and "get healthy" is to "exercise till you are blue in the face". We know what I mean by exercise and this does but equate to "Working harder than 90% of society" and wearing that as some sort of badge of honor since the occupational hazards of repetative action motion are well known. It may not apply in your case but you also cannot readily dismiss it. Also I would suggest that you take a detailed and most of all "honest" look at what you are refering to as"eating a somewhat healthy diet". I am personally as guilty as anyone else when looking at at what I thought was a relatively healthy diet. When all is said and done and reality hits the fan the real answer is different when the personal "not I" filters comes off. Genetics? Absolutely!! but this is something you can't do a damm thing about and the sooner that you stop looking for "external" causes the sooner you are able to deal with any issues you may have I did NOT say that obesity is the cause of any disease. My specific words were "obesity is a health issue" "it is not a thing in and of itself" that pretty much covers the fulcrum of my statement and quite different from the words you are putting in my mouth.
I am not assuming anything I'm just going by my years of personal experience and more that 10 years around Curezone. I generally will look at a persons posting history before I address them. I was around when the MC forum and the water fasting forum just about became useless because of the cackling disfunctional chronic dieters and finally the fasting for weightloss forum had to be created so intelligent useful discussions could be carried out for those that understood that fasting was so much more than weightloss diet.
I started with curezone over five years ago to get more information about the juice fasting I'd already been doing five years previous to that, and have been absent for some time. When I came back a few weeks ago I was very surprised to see the tides changing, per se', in regards to the attitudes and popularilty of juice fasting especially where weightloss is the only motivation. So, let me just say that I understand your frustration. It frustrates me, too. I completely agree with you that juice fasting is so much more... For me, it's a very personal experience, one that brings me the only real health I've ever known. But I won't deny that weightloss is one motivation, and one that I celebrate.
Any form of weightloss, obviously, will be a miserable failure if the person doesn't make a lifestyle change and I do worry that juice fasting will get a bad name because of those who "try it and fail".
I just wanted to address the notion that a healthy diet and "exercising till your blue in the face" will NOT cure all things, including weightloss, for all people. AND that obesity can be the result or symptom of a disease, and not just a disease within itself. Now that I've made that clear, again, I'll move on...
Your statement- "We know what I mean by exercise and this does but equate to "Working harder than 90% of society" and wearing that as some sort of badge of honor since the occupational hazards of repetative action motion are well known. It may not apply in your case but you also cannot readily dismiss it. Also I would suggest that you take a detailed and most of all "honest" look at what you are refering to as "eating a somewhat healthy diet". I am personally as guilty as anyone else when looking at at what I thought was a relatively healthy diet. When all is said and done and reality hits the fan the real answer is different when the personal "not I" filters comes off."
Repetitive action was not my problem. I stopped producing growth hormone (at age 25), according to the vast amount of medical testing insurance companies make you go through. It got so bad that opening a jar became a near impossibility. This is not a normal occupational hazard. I've been on growth hormone replacement for three years, now. Oh, and what's with the "wearing it as a badge of honor statement"? Sheesh... I was simply making an example of the kind of work I used to do, for those who may have no idea what a rancher's life entails. It's very hard work. Work that I used to love...
In regards to diet, I am my own worse critic. Having been raised in the world of natural health, since say age 10, when I say "somewhat healthy" I mean healthier than most Americans. I don't waste my time sailing the river of denial. Now, I've never been vegan or only raw foods, so if that's your litmus, I fail. :)
So hey, I appreciate your passion and I think we agree for the most part. You didn't just didn't fall off the turnip truck and this isn't my first rodeo. :)
Simply put what triggered my response was that you said "you didn't need to exercise till you are blue in the face" which is a key middle of the road "cliche" phrase that chronic dieters attribute to a key component of fasting as a weight loss diet. No more no less. In the overwhelming majority of cases exercise is prolly the most neglected but essential key component whether the goal is health or weight loss .
Water fasting is the only waythat I went from weighing 192 at my highest weight to now 105. So it works and it heals (I still have asthma, but no shortness of breath from being so fat).
Fasting is the no brainer easy part where everything is all worked out for you. Little to no thinking or effort involved other than the will to stick to it. It does heal in many cases but it is a temporary fix. It will always come down to what I keep repeating about a radical lifestyle/diet change and regular exercise post fasting or things will just go back to where there were. The real healing happens after the fast in the rebuilding phase with the nutrients that you put back in the system so it can rebuild after you take the trash out through fasting.
Did you watch the film?? If not when you do you will see that both the protagonist and the other fellow he helped have changed their habits completely and both exercise regularly. Towards the end he sez that he thought that it was all about the fasting at first but that it really was about the radical "lifestyle change". Same for Raw Food trucker Dave on You tube. He did his initial healing and weight loss through juice feasting but continues on with the radical lifestyle change.
Thank you for this information. I'm just amazed at how many people are willing to take on fasting, now. Years ago long-term juice fasting was unheard of...
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Man who lost 80 lbs in 60 days juice fast and filmed it 
