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  • Testing what happens when DMSO is added to MMS by  SilverFox  24 mon  2,237  MMS Debate

    One "improvement" on the MMS protocol has been the idea of adding DMSO to the dose. This is supposed to allow the chlorine dioxide to penetrate deeper in the body.

    The problem with this is that DMSO is a free radical scavenger. With chlorine dioxide being a free radical, the addition of DMSO would be similar to adding vitamin C to the dose.

    It appears that the addition of DMSO is actually making the MMS dose less effective. Look at what people are saying about this. "It makes the dose much easier to take." "It greatly improves the taste."

    Why? What is the reason for these observations?

    DMSO is reacting with the chlorine dioxide in the solution and eliminating it. This is also happening with any juice that is added to the dose that makes it taste better. Chlorine dioxide is very reactive. When you add juice to it, it oxidizes the particles in the juice and gets used up. You notice that the chlorine dioxide odor is gone, and the dose tastes much better.

    In water treatment, extensive filtering is done to reduce the turbidity of the water. When it is crystal clear, chlorine dioxide as a gas is added to disinfect the water. Why do they do this? Because water that is cloudy is difficult to disinfect. The particles in the water use up the chlorine dioxide before it can kill the pathogens in the water.

    To explore the reaction of DMSO and sodium chlorite I took MMS, added DMSO to it, activated it and compared the free chlorine dioxide in that solution with a solution just using MMS. In addition, I took MMS, activated it, then added DMSO and compared that with activated MMS.

    Adding DMSO to sodium chlorite and then activating it resulted in a 75% reduction in free chlorine dioxide in the solution. Activating sodium chlorite then adding DMSO to it resulted in a 58% reduction in free chlorine dioxide.

    It looks like adding DMSO to a dose not only improves the taste, but does so by reducing the effectiveness of the dose. The free radical scavenging of DMSO is working very well.

    Jim Humble can't afford to do any testing, so you will have to demonstrate this to yourselves. A very crude method of determining concentration is to visually look at the color of the solution. A better measurement can be done with a colorimeter or a spectrum analyzer or even chlorine dioxide test strips, but if you look closely you may be able to see a change in the color just by side to side comparisons.

    Improvements noted when adding DMSO to the MMS does are most likely from the reduction of oxidative stress to the body.

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    • Re: Testing what happens when DMSO is added to MMS by  idph811  24 mon  2,099
      Silverfox,

      I took MMS as per the latest 1000 protocol. I don;t know if there were any improvements in my condition except that my head felt a little bit clearer. Yesterday was day 1.

      I am also fasting in the meantime. I started my fast as well yesterday.

      I was wondering if I should just take the inactivated sodium chlorite instead. What I did was add 5 drops of NACLO2 to 3 litres of distilled water. Is that too high a dosage?

      PPM is confusing. Can you simplify it in terms of drops and litres? A drop a litre or two drops a litre? What would you recommend? And if 5 drops for 3 litres is too high, should I just throw that can of water away and prepare a new batch based on whatever you recommend in response to this post?

      BTW would dosage that you recommend be safe enough to take on a fast(I am eating nothing, just resting and drinking water)

      THanks Silverfox. I have read many of your posts and have noted that you have made new discoveries about mms in the last three years. Could you have a FAQ section on curezone where people like me who ask questions repeated in the past can access that FAQ section thereby also reducing the banality for you answering the samq uestions again and again?

      Thanks again

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      • Re: Testing what happens when DMSO is added to MMS by  SilverFox  24 mon  2,070
        Hello Idph811,

        When dealing with concentrated chemicals, the results desired are directly related to the concentration used. With sodium chlorite the goal is to end up with a concentration that is used for a specific purpose.

        Since sodium chlorite comes in many concentrations, we look at the concentration of the ending solution. Since only small amounts are needed for most applications, we deal in Parts Per Million.

        Drops as a measurement are not all that accurate. It takes practice to form a "standard" drop, and then the amount in the drop varies depending upon the size of the hole in the dropper and the concentration of the chemical. MMS presents a particularly difficult situation because you are using a highly concentrated sodium chlorite mixture and only mixing a half a cup of solution. It is more repeatable to measure in ml or cc and dilute the concentration of the chemical to allow for standard measurements.

        If PPM is confusing for you, perhaps you can think in terms of %. For example with hydrogen peroxide you may start with 35% (which is 350000 PPM) and you want to dilute it down to a base solution of 3% (30000 PPM). From there you dilute as needed for your applications.

        With MMS you are starting with 224000 PPM or 22.4%. The Lubbers study showing no adverse effects was done with 5 PPM or 0.0005%.

        Long term water storage utilizes the preserving properties of sodium chlorite. Taking water that has been purified, you add enough sodium chlorite to end up with a concentration of 6 PPM. When stored in a cool area away from UV light, this water will keep for around 5 years.

        When activating sodium chlorite with water you are entering into the area of "stabilized oxygen" products. The "usual" dose recommended is in the 20 - 50 PPM range. In comparison, your 5 drops of MMS in 3 liters of water gives you a concentration of around 22 PPM or 0.0022%.

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        • Re: Testing what happens when DMSO is added to MMS by  idph811  24 mon  1,964
          Thanks Tom. I will stick to that dose or even lower.

          I will take the occasional 1 drop, 1:1 JH protocol but will mainly stick to NACLO2 as I am taking now.

          My conditions are that I am suffering from constant back pains, fatigue, sore throat, mucous and I eat only fruits and vegetables. So its not my diet that is causing an issue. My blood work and other tests showed no problems. Except that my gut flora showed an overgrowth of bad bacteria and since I started adding probiotics the flora was sort of re-established (i tested again)but chances of the bugs migrating to other parts causing infections is what I think I have. I went to the doctor and she thought I have the flu and asked me to just rest and hope things will get better.

          I wanted to thus take a steady but low dose of this to help me kill any infection causing agents.

          BTW, I came across a doctor in the US who lists down many oxidative therapies like ozone and hydrogen peroxide
          http://drglennwilcox.com/index.php/What/Ozone-Therapy.html

          but not sodium chlorite or chlorine dioxide.

          I am wondering if I should take herbs or NACLO2 or both and if I do I cannot eat fruits and vegetables much as they are antioxidants rich and so are the herbs.

          I know you cannot give medical advice but can you help think this through with me? Thanks

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          • Re: Testing what happens when DMSO is added to MMS by  SilverFox  24 mon  1,952
            Hello Idph811,

            The key to health is being able to maintain balance within the body.

            When the body becomes infected, killing is important. Once you are "out of the woods," healing becomes the more important focus.

            Perhaps it is time for you to focus on healing and set the killing weapons aside while your body gets back into balance. Keep in mind that even at very low concentrations these chemicals are still oxidizers that need to be balanced by the body.

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            • Re: Testing what happens when DMSO is added to MMS by  idph811  24 mon  1,889
              But the killing isn't done yet. I have used activated naclo2 only for one day.
              I have used the herbs only for a couple of days.

              I am yet to treat myself though these killing agents for sometime before I can say that the killing is done.

              Ironically I avoided these agents and fasted for 23 days in January. I felt good for the first few months but since the last two months my symptoms have returned. Note that I only eat raw fruits and vegetables as per the 811 diet so I already eat very healthy.

              My prognosis was that I was heavily infected prior to the fast and the fast helped clear out some of the toxins and infection causing agents but not to full effect.

              So here I am. My plan is to go on a killing spree for a week or two, alternating between NACLO2, CLO2 and herbs along with a raw veggie diet and then start healing again using just food and lifestyle. If after two weeks my conditions don't improve, I will then consider a fast as the killing would have reduced the load on the body.

              Thanks Tom. Your comments are appreciated.

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              • Re: Testing what happens when DMSO is added to MMS by  SilverFox  24 mon  1,876
                Hello Idph811,

                Are you sure...?

                Take some time and read up on chlorine dioxide and chlorous acid. In industry using the concentrations involved in the MMS protocol, the kill is done in 15 - 60 seconds.

                If you followed the MMS protocol for a day and if it is as effective as Jim Humble claims, you should have killed everything off in the first half a day. The other half would have just been for good measure.

                Now if your pathogens do not respond to oxidation, or if you are unable to get the oxidant into contact with the pathogen, you are better off trying something else. Continuing to expose your body to oxidative stress can be counterproductive.

                If you need killing, use it and then move on to the healing. You may end up doing more damage if you try to kill over and over again. I guess you could ponder how dead is dead, but ponder this while you are resting on the beaches of health sipping the margaritas of life.

                While there is little data on using these chemicals in the body, Jim Humble seems to think that they work just like they do in industry. If that is really the case, then spend a few hours killing and then get on with the healing.

                Now, after all of that, activating sodium chlorite with water and using low concentrations of that seems to have some energizing factor on the electron transport chain. It is too early to know what exactly is going on with this, but it is a very interesting theory. Rather than killing, this is more like digging in before an assault.

                These are very powerful chemicals. At the levels involved with the MMS protocol, they are designed for immediate results, provided they make contact with the pathogens.

                You may want to reconsider your approach and focus on healing.

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                • Re: Testing what happens when DMSO is added to MMS by  idph811  24 mon  1,990
                  Thanks Tom.

                  I thought a lot about it and finally came to the same conclusion. I don't have life threatening illness to be so desperate to try anything and everything.

                  I am back to eating my monomeals of fruits. Whenever I felt tired or something, I would in the past go back to simpple eating of just one type of fruit.

                  That makes the equation simple as well. Do not have to wonder what among the different stuff I ate that could possibly cause some symptoms.

                  I will cosnider using those chemicals for topical use occasionally, especially for cleaning my vegetables.

                  Also I did read your several posts that you have written in these three years about MMS, JH, the chemicals themselves and I have seen that you have learnt a lot more about this whole treatment protocol and of course have shared everything you know with others. Thanks for that! I see that while initially you used MMS yourself intenrally, you have slowly stayed away from it and advise others to do so, with Science and logic to back your arguments with a healthy skepticism instead of just jumping to conclusions. Thanks again and please keep up the good work.

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