In order to produce a vaccine, researchers have to know what causes the various diseases they want to vaccinate against.
Bad sanitation does not cause disease, it may provide an environment in which disease can be spread, but it is bacteria, or viruses, that cause diseases that there are vaccinations for.
Good hygiene, as well as isolating those infected with a disease, certainly helps stop disease from spreading as much as it would without good hygiene.
There is this book my counselor had me read, it is called "Unstuck"--I feel like I learned a lot from it. I am not suggesting you have any issues at all, I did and if anyone does maybe they will enjoy it. We both are stuck here, right? so anyway... http://www.amazon.com/Unstuck-Guide-Seven-Stage-Journey-Depression/dp/1594201668
Thanks for the suggestion. I hope someone who suffers from depression or anxiety can find help in the book.
I don't really understand what you mean by us both "being stuck here" though. I was under the impression that we were discussing vaccination, and the pro's and con's of this action.
I understand your view, I just don't agree with it. This is a difference of opinion, not "being stuck".
I always enjoy our discussions, even though we may not agree on the issues.
It wasn't a veiled attempt to make you read a book. It is a good one though...do you ever hear of a book that makes you want to read it? I am not trying to debate about vaccinations, your argument is the same over and over, that's fine just not a very serious attempt to me. Besides, I know people generally don't want their kids poisoned with all of the chemicals in the name of "vaccinations" here. I don't need to convince anybody...
Why are you in the vaccination debate forum, if you aren't trying to debate vaccinations?
My argument will be the same, as I have seen nothing in this forum that would make me think differently, perhaps the anti-vaccination crowd, have nothing more to say, and just give the same argument over and over.
That's just fine, but shows that their arguments are not a serious attempt at debate, just an attempt at pushing their world veiw.
I'm not here to convince anyone either, but just to put out information that balances the issue. If people are going to make decisions about vaccination, they should have as much information as possible, from both sides of the issue.
Yes, not to eat protein foods and carbohydrate foods together.
But mainly, to simply let the body heal itself. After working for years as a medical surgeon, he put down his knives because he healed his own major health problems with diet alone.
Vaccines do provide immunity, there is a wealth of information and studies to prove this. Are they 100% effective all the time, no.
Vaccines do not tear down the immune system.
I'm very glad your friends children survived whooping cough, but that in no way negates the death of children who continue to die of this horrible, and preventable disease.
Personally, I would not want my child to suffer through diseases, that could have very damaging effects, if they didn't have to. My own daughter had a very severe case of chicken pox, (before there was a vaccine available), she has had very bad scarring, and has suffered lung damage because of this disease. My friend's son came very close to being blinded by this same disease. Thankfully my grandchildren will not have to suffer through this disease.
As I've said before, it is up to individuals to decide whether they vaccinate or not. People need to decide whether they want to take the risk of their children, or themselves, contracting these diseases, with the possibility of adverse outcomes, and whether that risk is greater then the risk of an adverse outcome from a vaccine.
My friends, and those people I know, have suffered very badly from contracting preventable diseases. Through no fault of their own. To say that they were seriously immune deficient, (when you have no idea what their immune status is or was), is flippant, and dismissive of the real pain that these people have suffered. In particular my friend who lost her 6 week old baby to whooping cough.
A person's immune system, can only deal with pathogens it knows. A disease which is unknown, and that the body cannot respond to quick enough, can cause damage and death.
Perhaps people who do not eat a healthy diet, or the have unsanitary living conditions, (through their own fault or not), may be more likely to contract a disease, but this is not always the case.
A healthy person is also able to contract and be harmed by a disease. A strong immune response can even lead to a worse outcome, particularly in cases of influenza.
I would encourage everyone who can, to improve their immune system, as in most cases this is a good thing. A strong immune system will not mean you will not get any disease, and it certainly wont protect you from an adverse outcome. Not leaving yourself open to getting the disease in the first place is the best way of avoiding an adverse outcome.
Personally, I won't go anywhere without my essential oils, which are known to be potent anti-bacterial and anti-viral substances.
I also won't knowingly inject vaccines, or, for the most part, take pharmaceutical drugs (which have been rigorously tested using double-blind studies) into my body or have them put into the bodies of my family (if I have any choice in the matter).
Studies, which can be manipulated, and which I didn't see take place, or which can be written about by people in the pay of vaccine companies (directly or indirectly) hold no sway with me.
What is wonderful, is that you and I live in countries where we can make up our own minds, with little risk of having to deal with the consequences of those decisions.
The community I live is not selfish. People are constantly giving, especially to those who have experienced a disaster.
It's also not always easy to make up your own mind, when health authorities threaten to keep your children out of school if they're not vaccinated. (The message being, inject poisons into your chldren or else ... )
My comment was not about people not giving, there can be selfish reasons for giving, as much as altruistic ones.
I don't agree with forced vaccinations, but I do agree with not allowing unvaccinated children to attend mainstream schools, where they could pass on diseases to those that are too young to be vaccinated, or those who are immune compromised. Those selfish parents who did not immunise the children, who passed on whooping cough to my friend's 6 week old infant, and the day care centre that allowed unvaccinated children to attend, are being forced to take responsibility for their decisions, and rightly so.
I'm all for parents making decisions about their children's health, and if they choose not to vaccinate their children, they will have to accept that they will have issues to face.
I am absolutely making a judgement call, that the parents of the unvaccinated children were selfish. The baby that died was too young to have a developed immune system, and too young to receive a vaccination, so was not vaccinated. The other children in the day care centre were vaccinated. No vaccinated child contracted the disease.
Thankfully laws have now changed, and unvaccinated children, (except for babies too young to be vaccinated), will not be allowed to attend day care centres. So tragedies, such as the death of my friend's baby, will be less likely to occur.
Parents do have the right to not vaccinate their children, but they do not have the right to endanger the lives of other people's children.
Vaccines have been proven to provide immunity against certain diseases, there is plenty of evidence to support this. Is it 100% effective, no. There is a small incidence of adverse effects to vaccines. There is a much larger incidence of adverse effects from the diseases that vaccines prevent.
Its up to each of us to decide which risk we are willing to take.
My own personal view, is that the risk of an adverse effect, or death, from a preventable disease, is far greater than the risk of an adverse effect from a vaccine. This view is based on extensive research into both sides of the issue, not simply from an emotional reaction.
What you're doing is stating your belief system as fact. Basically you're saying you're right and everyone who disagrees is wrong.
The evidence that you believe in is not evidence that I believe in. What you're stating isn't fact, it's what you believe. Some people think that Jesus was a real man who died on the cross. They'd like to crucify me when I say that I think he was made up, a symbol (Lamb) turned into the figure of a man, to convince people to give the church power and money. They'll say that there's evidence and I'll say that it's not evidence that I believe in. I live in a different paradigm than they do. This is very threatening to most people.
Vaccines caused a boy I know to have seizures. He'll never be able to drive.
A family member of mine who is high up in the medical field and believes in Medical, recently warned me not to take a certain pharmaceutical drug for osteoporis because it's so dangerous. He explained in great detail how it works in the body. He said they know it's harmful but push it on people anyway. He told me that his doctor had recommended for him not to get the H1N1 vaccine. They know and tell each other the truth but that truth is sure not for the masses ...
I wish you all the best Spud; I'm bowing out of this discussion... for now, anyway. We'll have to agree to disagree.
There is a world of truth and healing outside of double-blind medical studies and statistics. They are designed to deceive, IMO.
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