Hi all
had some dental surgery today (also have mitral valve prolapse which means I have to have massive dose of antibiotic intravenously). Surgeon wants me to continue 7 more days of oral antibiotic. As MMS is a good bacteria killer I'm thinking I would be better off continuing taking it rather than antibiotic(started a week ago to help combat candida - don't really want to stop it now.)
Any thoughts any one?
NB - also been on an anti fungal protocol for four months. Rather stubborn stuff - taking probiotics, kefir, cultured vegies, doing the "diet", taking candaplex (which I think has worked to a certain extent but don't think it is strong enough. Just waiting on order from Kolorex)Patience is a virtue!!!!!
MMS is an excellent anti-bacterial agent. However... I would urge you not to skimp or gamble with antibiotics and tooth infection. Because there is always the possibility that the MMS does not impact the entire strain of infection which could in turn lead to a serious secondary infection after all is said and done.
PS. Tooth infections can easily lead to life threatening conditions. Take it from someone who knows! it's not worth the risks. Grab a good probiotics, stay the course and do all you can to clobber that infection.
I agree with the points that John brought up. You want to do everything possible to eliminate spreading infection from your mouth to your bones and heart.
You indicated that you are already on IV antibiotics, so I would guess the purpose of the oral antibiotics is to keep any additional local infection from forming at the oral surgery site and clearing up any infection left over after surgery.
I don't think there is any problem taking 7 days of oral antibiotics, other than the problems antibiotics do to the body, but substituting a mouthwash for the oral antibiotics will most likely also work, if your mouthwash is of the proper strength to handle the infections that can occur in your mouth, and you use it properly.
The medical professionals have studied antibiotics and have a reasonable idea of what works for most people, and have a list of possible side effects. An alternate mouthwash may also work, but you don't have the test results showing how much is needed and what the possible side effects are.
Dentists have been using chlorine dioxide to bleach whiten teeth and have noticed that if the concentration is too low, it is ineffective. If the concentration is too high, damage is done to the enamel on the teeth.
There are test results that indicate the proper concentrations of chlorine dioxide solutions to eliminate various pathogens on hard surfaces. If we consider the teeth as hard surfaces, you may be able to extrapolate those results and use the concentrations indicated for the possible pathogens you may encounter.
If it were me, I would hope that the IV antibiotics would be effective, and I would go with a chlorine dioxide mouthwash to deal with local infection. I would not do this alone. I would keep the dentist in the loop and send a picture of the surgery area to the dentist periodically to make sure no infection is forming.
There is a possible conflict. Chlorine dioxide solutions are strong oxidizers. It is possible that it could oxidize the IV antibiotics and make them less effective. I don't think this has been studied, so we don't really know.
On the other hand, I have seen tooth and jaw bone infections clear up using a chlorine dioxide solution, so the benefit may outweigh the risk. However, that is a discussion you should have with your medical professional team.
I recently found out that my "candida" is a different strain of infection:
Aeromonas serbia and aeromonas cerviae
I found preliminary results of a stool test that was sent STAT to my chiro. What scares me is that he said that the lab NEVER sends STAT reports before the rest of the lab results are in....he said that this means that my infection is very serious. I have a rare infection of:
Aeromonas sobris and aeromonas cerviae.
Have u heard of these? God only knows what else is brewing, but the lab said that the only cure is Cipro. I'd rather avoid such a heavy-duty antibiotic, for that may cause more harm than good.
There isn't much info out there, but it is a Gram-negative, non-spore-forming, rod-shaped, facultatively anaerobic bacteria?
Good overview, treatment, presentation, causes. Maybe my "MRSA" infection was actually the aeromonas, but it didn't show up on the culture sample.... I still get flareup of cellulitis in my hand at random times (not to mention the acne and GI issues). Did the Vanco make it worse?
Does anyone have any knowledge on this? Any suggestions?
Should I do the Cipro, or is there another alternative? I'm afraid it might cause secondary infections....should I take an anti-fungal with this to prevent candida?
SHould I do MMS?
Should I MMS AND the Cipro (and how would I do this? MMS in AM and PM and Cipro in the afternoon?)
Would Hydrogen peroxide therapy be better? (and should I do Cipro with it?) I found these products:
My chiro wants me to do MMS (which I have been doing for the last couple weeks), but I've heard that H202 works better, without the possible side effects of MMS. And, it's been around longer, thus it has been researched more. It is similar to ozone therapy, but cheaper (IDK much about ozone, but I heard it's really fantastic....if u can afford it)
The reason I'm hesitant is b/c I took a heavy-dut antibiotic for a MRSA (plus other microbe) infection years ago...and it ruined my health. Sure, it prevented me from dying within a week's time, but I've been slowly dying since 2005 from the Vanco. I also think these 2 strains were in the colony that infected me when I had MRSA, yet the vanco only killed certain strains, thus leaving these to wreck havoc on my body.
I don't want another opportunistic infection to take over.
Thus, I was wondering if H202 therapy would work (the links I posted are gentle products that contain aloe, thus being less corrosive) and if H202 therapy would be safer/gentler/more effective than MMS?
My chiro says to do MMS and the Cipro. Would that be advisable? I have yet to ask about the h202
So....
Should I do the h202?
Or, should I do the cipro, then do the h202 afterwards, to kill off any pathogens that might have jumped in during the cipro?
Or, the MMS and Cipro?
No one seems to know much about these things, thus IDK how to make an informed decision
So, based upon past experience you have made the decision that you would rather dive into the unknown than use a drug that western medicine will probably work for your bacterial infection.
Let's move on.
You have tried a round of MMS and that doesn't appear to have worked either.
Let's move on.
I am sure you can find instructions on how to use hydrogen peroxide. So that is another route to follow.
You may be better off exploring ozone, but I believe you don't want to go down that route because of the expense.
While we can give you various opinions on what may work, I don't believe any of us have extensive medical training. My opinion is that since you know what the bacteria is, and since there is a drug that deals with that bacteria, you should go that route. In addition, you can talk with your medical professional about your concerns and devise a plan to rebuild your flora after you have killed off the bacteria.
It is also my opinion that you shouldn't take MMS, hydrogen peroxide or ozone while you are taking the drug, if you decided to follow that route. It is not know what effects extra oxidation have on the effectiveness of various drugs.
It appears that there may be some urgency in getting started on something. Here are a couple of questions you should consider before making a decision.
When people use cipro to deal with this particular bacterial infection, how effective is it?
When people use other alternative treatments with this particular bacterial infection, how effective are they?
If this video doesn't scare u off from using Cipro, IDK wha will. I'm STILL paying the consequences from Vancomycin in 2005. Who knows how many of my chronic health issues are from Vanco?! Probably most of them. That stuff is worse than chemo...and no one told me to "rebuild my gut" while on it or after.
I am not being rude, I am providing you with a course of action.
Every drug has adverse reactions. Medical professionals are well aware of this. You provided observations from those where were adversely effected. The other side of the story is that although some people suffer adverse effects, many people find their infection removed.
Your medical professional should be able to give you this side of the story. I don't have information for cipro, so let's make something up for illustration.
If, and this is only speculative, 1 person in 1000 suffers adverse effects, that would mean that 999 improved.
The reason you need to take notes is because it is never that simple. They tend to group side effects from slight to severe. What you are looking for is side effects that compound your situation.
Medical professionals are usually willing to discuss concerns like you have presented and offer an explanation of what they think happened and how they think that won't happen with you. They also may come up with an alternative that you can explore.
If you don't feel that you can handle a discussion like this with your medical provider, take someone along who you trust to act as an advocate for you.
I fully understand that you are in a difficult situation. You need hard answers. This is a way to get hard answers from medical people.
My doc agrees that Cipro is not the right choice... it would make my situation worse due to my already-established fungal issues and my poor constitution.
We aren't sure what route to take. Continue MMS but try a different protocol (and unfortunately, there are a lot to pick from, so how do we know which to do?) or try H202 like using Oxy Aloe Flush http://www.phoenixnutritionals.com/ldo.html
I reacted badly to MMS...it dropped my blood pressure down to 72/38. That's dangerous. I also lost 7 pounds while on it (3 weeks), putting me at over 20# underwt.
So, my situation is a tough one, thus the reason I am asking for advice.
In such situations, I'm afraid we are all at the mercy of the same limitations in terms of success. That being said, I've been struggling with a bone infection for years and all I've managed to do(to date) with antibiotics, was either hold off the inevitable or slow things down.
On the issue of Cipro and the likes, I could call only categorize these types of treatments as buying time in my own case. To which I'd add, I've been very fortunate(if one can say such a thing) to have escaped some of the horrors and effects associated with long term with these particular treatments.
Having said all that, if I had to start all over again, I'd most certainly take a completely different approach to treating my condition. That is to say that I'd attack the issue from all sides so as to maximize blood flow and promote healing rather than waist my time with such things as antibiotics and pain killers. Though I'd also mention that we always knew that we were dealing with a bone infection which is unlikely healed through conventional treatments. That being said, here is the path I'd take if I had to start over: Cold laser therapy, magnetic pulser, blood zaper, ozone therapy, MMS or CDS, and /or colloidal silver and a sodium bicarbonate protocol. And the reason I'd resort to such overkill is based on the fact that my particular condition turned-out to be highly time sensitive. IOW. the longer it was allowed to exist, the more difficult to proved to treat.
Having said all that, the biggest issue with bone infections and treatments today is where many practioners are completely oblivious to the condition. Which is not limited to; dentists, dental surgeons and various other specialists.
As for antibiotics, I'd give colloidal silver a serious look before committing to exposing myself to further risk and effects. I'd then place MMS and/or CDS in close second to this. Though I also think it's important to know that both treatments require a measure of prevention in the process such as probiotics and electrolyte supplementation and in the case of MMS or CDS, a good understanding of the risks associated with use such as: mucus membrane, electrolytic imbalance and secondary effects that may have on other parts of the body.
In closing, I'd add that there are no hard fast rules in the realm of self diagnosis and treatment. Then again... as you are well aware of, there are risks associated with treatments from either side of the fence(see: Cipro). And so this isn't a black and white issue either I'm afraid.
Hope this helps.
PS. if you feel this post draws on fear it is because it should. the repercussions of a root canal gone bad can mean life or death. - don't make the same mistakes I did and not give it the attention it deserves.
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'A DROP OF GRAPEFRUIT EXTRACT ON TOOTHPASTE WHEN YOU BRUSH'
what a great idea!
There are topical and internal natural antibiotics to use
I am so sorry to hear of your dental problems! Despite heavy brushing etc., over the years, I too suffered from lots of dental issues. I learned a lot the hard way.
I have found some things to be extremely helpful in getting rid of infections, whether bacterial, viral, or fungal. One is Olive Leaf Extract liquid form, and the other is Collodial Silver. (Be sure and get quality products. I happen to order mine from Herbal Healer, because I know the products to be effective without being expensive. You will not be able to get Collodial Silver in the winter months though unless you get a local source).
Topically, a good Grapefruit Seed Extract will help reverse dental issues. A good Grapefruit Extract is too potent to use directly on the skin without being diluted. You can add one drop to your toothpaste on your toothbrush each time you brush. It shouldn't have much if any taste.
The fact that you have had a root canal isn't good. That's another one of those expensive dental procedures which doesn't fix a tooth permanently but they sure make lots of money doing them! The nerve and the pulp of that tooth is removed in a root canal. That is what supplies the tooth with the moisture it needs. Without it, in time the tooth becomes brittle and will break off if not permanently capped.
Another disservice to all of us is the heavy use of fluoride in our toothpastes and water. If most people knew exactly what the fluoride was and where it came from, there would be a huge outcry!!! Short version: Fluoride is toxic and causes tooth damage. Don't use toothpastes with it, and make sure it isn't in your water. If you want to find out exactly what fluoride is and how it's a major fraud on the public, go to Google and search on the subject.
I would consider doing a detox of your choosing once the infection is gone. Several years ago I started using a product from Health Plus,Inc.,called Super Colon Cleanse. They have a website where you can order it if you cannot find it locally. It is not a laxative! Start slow with one capsule at bedtime and gradually build your self up to two in the morning and two at night. Use for two months. At some point you will feel worse before you feel better, as the toxins are eliminated. But once you are through it, you will feel like a new person!!!! I like the Super version as it has many herbs for digestive support and gentle detoxing. It should be gentle and not harsh. The very first time I used it several years ago, I came down with bronchitis when it started cleaning out my lungs. If you have the Collodial Silver and Olive Leaf Extract liquid, you will not have any problems with any secondary infections from toxins being eliminated. Then once a year do an annual detox to stay on top. You will have more energy and feel great!!!!
At this point you may need to consider dentures or a partial. They are not cheap, but if you have access to a dental college, the work can be done for a lot less. If you are in the process of getting your income tax refund, maybe that will enable you to get your dental needs. Our teeth have a large role in our overall health. Don't put it off!!!
I wish you the best in overcoming this challenge.
And here is a tip for future use in case of teeth pain from infections. Due to infection, our pain pills cannot get through to the nerve to eliminate pain. However, the nerve ending for the teeth end in the hand on the same side. If your pain is on the right side, use the right hand. In the "webbing" between our thumb and index finger you can apply pressure with an ice pack. I press rather hard into that webbing and it doesn't hurt. I would always be pain free in a couple of minutes!!!! It also caused me more pain when I would lay down at night. So I would take several pillows and prop myself into a comfortable position and keep my head as elevated as possible. It helped me a lot and I hope some of this helps you too.
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