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  • Gallstone? by  healthyartist  21 mon  1,403  Natural Healing
    I'm not liver flushing right now, but I have been taking the liver gallbladder tincture for a few months now. Tonight I pooped a stone looking thing that I also pooped one other time. They were both a little larger than a chickpea and a little more dense than a corn puff. Also the same yellowish color of a corn puff. Both floated. When i squished them they looked kind of grainy and light yellow all the way through.

    Are these gallstones?

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    • Re: Gallstone? by  bkrisp  21 mon  1,436
      I've only done 3 big flushes, one recently and 2 five years back. All the 'stones' after the flushes have floated, even the large ones I've seen most recently. The first time they were green chickpeas, then second was tan 'chaff' (like tan split lentils), and the third were grape sized green chickpeas encrusted with tan chaff. Go figure ;)

      I know I've read Miss Helfinger drinking a certain decoction during her IP, and unexpectedly seeing stones, so it seems possible with a high quality liver tincture.

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    • Image Embedded Re: Gallstone? by  unyquity  21 mon  1,422

      From here: www.pathology.washington.edu/about/education/gallery/jpgs575/spd/img0030.jpg

      These definitely seem "corn-puff-ish" to me:

      There are several different types of gallstones - some are "rock hard" and can't be broken open at all - however, others are porous and composed of all kinds of biliary fluids, acids, cholesterol, minerals, etc.   ALL kinds of gallbladder/liver stones are continuously in different stages of formation.  And of course, after exiting the gallbladder they make a trip completely through the digestive tract where all the various acids/enzymes, digestive fluids and billions of microbiota will "do their thing" (particularly if the stone is porous in any way).  So after it's been through the process of "digestion" (where all the fluids/microbiota are trying to 'break it down'), a stone that may have been (or appeared) 'solid', not crumbly or grainy, or not able to break apart while it was IN the liver or gallbladder, may be a totally different consistency when we find it in the commode (even the water in the commode will play some part in it's consistency if it's in any way porous).

      It is common to pass gallstones 'spontaneously', so those looking for them will sometimes see them.

      I haven't missed/overlooked your other posts - I've got them compiled and am working on a response :)

      Blessings aplenty -

      Uny

       

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      • Re: Gallstone? by  healthyartist  21 mon  1,342
        That's great! Thank you both of you!

        Uny, I have a question to add for your response. If I do try to do the small flush with veggie juice and olive oil in the morning and apple cider vinegar throughout the day as you suggested, how much apple cider vinegar would I need to take? I am currently very reactive to small amounts, so I would have to work my way up.

        Thank you!

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        • Re: Gallstone? by  unyquity  21 mon  1,382

          Hmmm, olive oil & veggie juice in the morning and ACV throughout the day...I'm thinking your "small flush" is referring to a way to customize the morning flush/cleanse drink of the 5-day cleanse (that's actually a prep for a liver flush).  The morning flush drink is only a part of the 5-day cleanse (details copy/pasted from the FAQ below).

          The ACV is for the malic acid content (to help soften stones).  It's not imperative to have it when prepping for a liver flush, but it's definitely a goodness.

          The more compromised one is, the stronger I feel about sticking to Dr. Schulzes full protocol as much as possible for the 5-day cleanse (or prep*).  The 'sour citrus' (lemon, lime or grapefruit) has a cleansing effect on the gallbladder (or if using, the apple juice contains malic acid).  *Prep - I call it that because I've seen DOZENS of people do the 5-day cleanse and not follow it with a full flush, and get into some deep doo-do symptomatically.  So regarding this >>>  If I do try to do the small flush <<< please be sure you're ready to 'see it through' to the liver flush on the 6th day...as well as comitting to doing a flush every 2 weeks consistently enough to get 'over the hump'

          The most common problem people run into with liver flushing is 'starting & not following through' :(   We can stop/start at lot of different cleanses & therapies without experiencing "detox issues" or problems, but once we get things good & stirred up in our liver, the only way to "sail smoothly" is to be consistent.  ('just wanna make sure you know that before you start :)

          Blessings aplenty -

          Uny

           

           

          5-Day Liver Flush & Detoxification Program 

          IMPORTANT NOTICE: You must complete the 2-week bowel detoxification and rebuilding program using Intestinal Corrective Formulae #1 and #2, and CONTINUE taking #1 & #2, while completing this program. Then you may either do this 5-day Liver Cleanse, or the 5-day Kidney Cleanse. Or you may do both! The liver usually is detoxified before the kidneys, but you may reverse this if desired.

          Day 1: Upon arising drink 8 ounces of distilled water

          Breakfast: This is a great way to start your day. The water rinses and flushes your digestive tract of any leftover food and digestive juices. Within 1 hour prepare for the following Morning Drink: Morning Drink (Liver & Gallbladder Flush ) (Mix in a Blender) (in Spring and Summer ) 8 ounces of fresh orange juice or a citrus juice combination (1 lemon or 1 lime and enough orange, grapefruit or tangerine to make 8 ounces) or (in Fall and Winter ) 8 ounces of fresh apple and/or grape juice

          8 ounces of Distilled Water

          1-5 clove(s) of garlic (start with one and increase daily)

          1-5 tablespoon(s) of organic virgin cold-pressed olive oil (start with one and increase daily )

          1 small piece of fresh Ginger Root (about 1 inch long)

          15 minutes after this drink, consume 2 cups of Detoxification Tea. Consume 2 dropperfuls of Liver/Gallbladder - Anti-Parasite tonic 4 times daily during this cleanse. Take in a few ounces of water. It should be quite bitter.

          Day #1 Breakfast
          Live, FRESH fruit or vegetable juice is the best way to get your Vitamins, Minerals and other Essential Nutrients. They are also very important for cleansing and detoxification. If you are hungry before lunch time you may have fruit, diluted fruit juices, and fruit smoothies. Stop all fruit or fruit juices at least 1 hour before lunch. It is best while on this program not to mix fruit and vegetables together.

          Day #1 Lunch
          For lunch you can have diluted fresh raw vegetable juices, raw vegetables alone or in salads, sprouts, potassium broth, and herb teas. You may make dressings for the salad if you like using Olive oil, Avocado, Raw Apple Cider Vinegar, Lemon Juice, Garlic, Onions and any Herbs and Spices.
          Afternoon Snacks: Raw vegetables, raw vegetable salads, diluted vegetable juices, sprouts, potassium broth and herb teas. All vegetable food must be stopped by 6 p.m.

          Day #1 Dinner
          Diluted fruit juices, fruits, fruit smoothies, fruit salads and herb teas.

          Day #2, #3 and #4 Now we begin the 3 day fast. Start with your water, morning flush drink and herbal tea. Diluted fruit juices and herb tea until noon, diluted vegetable juices, Potassium Broth and herb tea mid-day and afternoon and diluted fruit juices and herb tea again in the evening. Consume at least 1 gallon (128 ounces) of liquid. That is 8 ounces every hour! If you get hungry, DRINK MORE!!!

          Potassium Broth Recipe
          This is a great-tasting addition to your cleansing program. It will flush your system of toxins, poisons and unwanted salts and acids while giving you a concentrated amount of vitamins and minerals.
          Fill a large pot with 25% potato peelings, 25% carrot peelings and whole chopped beets, 25% chopped on-ions including 50 cloves of garlic , 25% celery and dark greens. Add hot peppers to taste. Add enough distilled water to cover vegetables and simmer on very low temperature for 1-2 hours. Strain, or just dip your mug in, and drink only the broth. Put the vegetables in your compost. Make enough for two days, refrigerating the leftover broth. It is important to use Organic vegetables. We do not want to consume any toxic insecticides, pesticides or inorganic chemical fertilizers while we are on a cleansing and detoxification program.

          Day #5:
          Today is the day to break your fast. Make this day the same as day #1. Continuation of the fast with your morning drink and then you can have some fresh fruit. Chew it very slowly and mix each mouthful with plenty of saliva. Remember, breaking your fast is a very important part of this program. Chew your food well and eat until satisfied, not full. You can always eat more later if you are still hungry.

          After 1:00 PM you may have a small vegetable salad, and fruit again in the evening, chewing everything to a liquid pulp. Remember, this program restricts the types of food you will be eating, not the amount. If you are hungry at any point during this detoxification program, drink and/or eat more. The more you eat and drink, the more you will flush the toxins out of your body. Also remember to have a fun time. Your positive, healing attitude is most important to achieve maximum benefits out of this program; be loving to yourself. Take it easy when returning to a new healthy food program. Choose lighter foods for a few days and be careful not to overeat. Chew your food well. Eating smaller meals more often is better than one or two large meals. Enjoy your new set of values on food choices and amounts. For the best health, become a vegetarian. Repeat this program until you are well but do it at least once every 3 months.

          Notes about the 5-day Liver Cleanse instructions:

          --In the morning liver-cleanse drink, you'll see that you add 1T of oil and 1 clove of garlic each day.  There are some people (me included) that simply cannot ingest more that 2-3 cloves of garlic at any one time.  It will NOT "ruin the cleanse" if you can only take 1-2 cloves of garlic each 'drink'...and you can add (and I highly recommend adding) extra ginger root.

          --You can make the Liver Tea using the same instructions as the Kidney tea (but you do NOT have to macerate the herbs)

          --You do not "have" to do the 3-day juice fast in the middle of the 5 day cleanse, but it's beneficial.

           

          --Dr. Schulze suggests adding the Liver/GB tincture to the Liver Tea...and this is NOT the most effective way to use the tincture.  Anything 'bitter' triggers the liver to produce/release bile, and the Liver/GB tincture is VERY bitter.  So rather than mixing it with the yummy spice tea (and ruining the taste of the tea, and diluting the bitter tincture), it's far more effective to mix the tincture dose with a 'gulp's worth' of water and have it separately.  Here more info about that tincture: http://curezone.com/schulze/handbook/lg-ap.asp

          --Because of this 'bitter prinicple', getting an extra 2oz bottle of the Liver/GB tincture is highly recommended.  That way, 5x a day (after taking the IF#2 is a good time), you can put 5 single drops of the liver tincture directly on your tongue to stimulate bile flow.  This is very beneficial to the cleansing process and outcome of the next flush.

           

          --The Liver/Detox/Digestive tea is based on an ancient Indian digestive remedy.  It doesn't have a strong effect on the liver proper, but helps IMMENSELY with all the "urpy-burpy-ness" we all experience when cleansing the liver.  It's also a very welcome substitute for coffee :)  You do not have to follow "dosage recommendations" (you may have as much or as little as you prefer) http://curezone.com/schulze/handbook/detoxification.asp

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      • Not a gallstone afterall :( Re: Gallstone? by  healthyartist  20 mon  1,345
        Hi Uny,

        I just passed another one of my supposed gallstones and this one looked like the round betaine hydrochloric acid pill that I take with protein. Oh well.

        I'm planning on going to a DO next week because I want to have an ultrasound to find out if I do in fact have any visible gallstones in my gallbladder. I will let you know what I discover.

        Xoxoxo
        Beth

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