Yesterday I received a PM from a 'silent CZer' wanting to let me know of how Hver has affected her/him & CZ, and thank me (others) for our continued insistance that the Webmaster take action so that posters can regain their freedom to post without fear of attacks from Hveragerthi. I responded briefly and the 'silent one' replied via email (with a copy of a PM that he/she had sent someone else)...saying that he/she didn't feel comfortable posting and if I wanted to combine the two PM's and post them here, he/she would be very appreciative.
Here it is:
Hello Uny
I know we don't know each other, but I've been on C-zone for a few years now and value the site. I've healed myself through protocols from the Liver Flush and parasite forums, as well as from other assorted forums. I've seen much deterioration that I attribute to the egomaniac, Hv.
I just wanted to also let you know that there are many, many members here on C-zone who would like to see this guy prevented from intimidating other members, and from dominating the site further who support the long-awaited Webmaster action against Hv. You spoke for many of us when you submitted that post. He is like a sniper painstakingly taking out the enemies. If only he would stay in his forum and be king of that castle. You guys are acting on behalf of all the members who feel uncomfortable speaking up for fear of Hv reprisal. We hope that this guy can have boundaries enforced that allow the site to provide a positive experience for all of us.
As another C-zone member so aptly put it, the word 'bully' is absolutely applicable to his persona here. I can tell you that his presence has affected my confidence to post on this site - I am now extra careful about what advice I give - which is only ever from my own experience and not mere copy/paste internet conjecture - and in what forum I post, lest I utter something he chooses to challenge, and incur the ominous bold font that spells my drawn-out demise. He is like a steam-roller here, demolishing anything/anyone that stands in his way of being seen as ‘right’, with zero regard for an individual's feelings or vulnerabilities.
I particularly recall the woman who was trying to tell people here about her cancer cure a while back (she kind of worked a whole lot of stuff out herself and the cancer remitted) and the disgusting manner in which Hv systematically and sarcastically invalidated everything she said, effectively silencing her, thereby preventing any further communication of her effective and unique method to curezone members. He consistently acts from ego, not from a position of altruism/caring, and is an awful model of a health professional.
In contrast to this egomaniac, curezone members such as yourself, Wombat, Grz, Humaworm, Trapper, Andreas Moritz, and many others who did and still do contribute so much to this hugely valuable knowledge base and resource that is Curezone, represent the core of this site, operating from a magnanimous mindset and ultimately helping a great number of people to improve their health situation. The information I found on this site changed my life and it is distressing to see the health protocols that most effected these profound body/mind transformations getting trashed by this know-it-all tosser who most likely has never even tried any of them himself. This is why I recently asked him to speak from his own experience, or from direct observation of his patients (God help them!), rather than present material from the internet sites he finds.
Anyway, hopefully the good webmaster won’t suffer grief as a result of any attempted litigation.
So you think these grievances are "contrived" or a "conspiracy" perhaps to oust HV? and that these have no foundation or substance?
I suggest you re-read the threads, because Uny, Wombat, DQ and others have a genuine case which needs resolving one way or another.
I am aware of the long feud between DQ and HV, but putting that to one side, and in my own experience here, HV's behaviour has been unacceptable, and where an apology from him is long overdue.
An apology is hardly likely to be expected, and whether that is acceptable to you or not is irrelevant; but it is highly relevant for those on the receiving end of his unacceptable behaviour.
If James, aka FSM, ever apologizes I will wash myself in fecal soap.
ain't gonna happen.
But, thanks for speaking up and being a voice of reason.
I have received many pm's since this all began, many people lurking in silence who have been outraged at James' behavior. Some have since spoken up, but be assured there are many many people who he has offended. And this has nothing to do with his regular longstanding feuds. There is in fact no definable group of people that are against James. In other words he is an equal opportunity offender, crossing all sorts of demographic boundaries.
It's true. I am the other person that this PM was sent to and I replied that the person should post his/her concerns. I am glad that (s)he brought it to you.
But I do know, I have the distinction of being the 1st one banned from the Hv forum, for arguing about the affinity that sugar has for water, LOL. I'm also banned from Conspiracy theories forum. I guess all ya gotta do is challenge what other folks perceive as truth, and then they get upset and ban ya.
"most profound statement i have ever heard...."there is water at the bottom of the ocean!"
Here are the lyrics
- Talking Heads "Once in a Lifetime"
"And you may find yourself living in a shotgun shack
And you may find yourself in another part of the world
And you may find yourself behind the wheel of a large automobile
And you may find yourself in a beautiful house, with a beautiful
wife
And you may ask yourself: Well...How did I get here?
Letting the days go by; let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by; water flowing underground
Into the blue again; after the money's gone
Once in a lifetime; water flowing underground.
And you may ask yourself
How do I work this?
And you may ask yourself
Where is that large automobile?
And you may tell yourself
This is not my beautiful house!
And you may tell yourself
This is not my beautiful wife!
Letting the days go by; let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by; water flowing underground
Into the blue again; after the money's gone
Once in a lifetime; water flowing underground.
Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...
Water dissolving...and water removing
There is water at the bottom of the ocean
Under the water, carry the water
Remove the water at the bottom of the ocean!
Water dissolving...and water removing
Letting the days go by; let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by; water flowing underground
Into the blue again; into the silent water
Under the rocks and stones; there is water underground
Letting the days go by/let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by/water flowing underground
Into the blue again/after the money's gone
Once in a life time water flowing underground.
And you may ask yourself
What is that beautiful house?
And you may ask yourself
Where does that highway go to?
And you may ask yourself
Am I right?...Am I wrong?
And you may say to yourself
MY GOD!...WHAT HAVE I DONE?
Letting the days go by/let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by/water flowing underground
Into the blue again/into the silent water
Under the rocks and stones/there is water underground
Letting the days go by, let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by, water flowing underground
Into the blue again/after the money's gone
Once in a lifetime/water flowing underground
Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...
Look at where my hand was
time isn't holding us, time isn't after us
Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...
letting the days go by(x3)
once in a lifetime
letting the days go by(x3)
once in a lifetime"
(Not suggesting this but) What would happen if the debate forums were segregated by sex/gender... so that men could only debate other men, and women other women? Would there be these dramatic Battles Royale....? I wonder.
My real question is... Setting Tony aside, doesn't it seem that Hv mainly has a problem debating "the women of CZ?" Seems that way, if you think about the most-entrenched, most contentious battles.
I think what happens is that Hv responds to the women no differently than he responds to men, which is to say, he "cuts to the quick" rhetorically. And the women to a certain extent feel like they were just disrespected, or "scolded," or treated like a girl/talked down to. And so they naturally resent this and retaliate. (?)
The sexes can push each other's buttons so easily.
(- insert lusty comment here -).
And as Robert Bly commented, "The sexes can shame each other very easily."
"[Misogyny] is a central part of sexist prejudice and ideology and, as such, is an important basis for the oppression of females in male-dominated societies. Misogyny is manifested in many different ways, from jokes to pornography to violence to the self-contempt women may be taught to feel for their own bodies."
all men come from women. misogyny is just another form of self loathing. whats wrong with loving one another? our differences are miniscule in comparison to the myriad of ways we are exactly alike. ALL of the "isms" are nothing but hypocrisy.
I also received a PM from a 'silent CZer" yesterday. It was from a woman who had tried liver flushing but had bad experiences. She wanted to comment in the Liver Flush Debate Forum but was afraid she'd be set upon by the "wolf pack" in there, as she called it. She also happened to be someone whom Hv had helped tremendously with his advice. Here is her PM:
Dear Cargoshorts,
I want to thank you for chiming in to help push back the rabid mob in the LF Debate Forum. I've been wanting to post in there to relay my experiences, but who wants to be set upon by that wolf pack? You see, I've tried some liver flushes - 2 of them, and they went horribly wrong, the 2nd one worse than the first. I have many thoughts on the subject, and I want to post, but who wants to withstand the attacks, the viciousness, the ridicule, and more, just for saying something critical about LF's?
I know of at least two other people in the same boat as me. One of them picked up on a comment I made in the LF Support Forum and sent me a PM. That user, after I replied, passed my sentiments on to a third CZ user who also had a bad LF experience, and then contacted me. There's like an underground network of us now! lol
I can't believe the grief that Hv has to go through. I've posted many times in his forum and his replies helped me tremendously, not just for one health issue but for several. Before this current crop of jackels ganging up on Hv it was a DIFFERENT crop, and before that a different crop. I remember users like "Afflicted" and "InnerCalm" and "Ryan" and others, heaping tons and tons of abuse on Hv.
And so anyway, I just want to thank you for trying to be a voice of reason and joining forces with HV in the LF Debate Forum, even though, as I read in earlier posts of yours, you yourself are pro-liver flush under certain conditions. Also, O/T, I want to thank you for posting that link to that Mission of Burma song. I love that song.
Sincerely,
Edna (don't worry, nobody here knows my name)
p.s. What's with these jobless losers "occupying" Wall St. and other thoroughfares around the country? Forget about "teabaggers," we've now got "fleabaggers."
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