Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu joined over two dozen Republican lawmakers in calling on Attorney General Eric Holder’s to resign over Operation Fast and Furious, the gunrunning program that saw the ATF deliver some 2,000 guns directly into the hands of Mexican drug gangs, labeling the scandal worse than the Watergate cover-up that brought down the Nixon White House.
The fundamental attribution error, also called the correspondence bias, describes the tendency for observer’s to attribute other people’s behavior to internal or dispositional factors and to downplay situational causes (Gilbert & Malone, 1995).
Every day people make causal explanations for their own and others’ behavior, as well as for events in general. These explanations, or attributions, are a crucial form of information processing that help explain the situations and behavior occurring in the world around us (Kazdin, 2000). Psychologists have come up with multiple attribution theories to describe the different ways people use various pieces of information when trying to explain particular events. According to research, humans actively engage in attribution methods because they have an innate desire to understand, predict, and control what’s going on around them (Forgas, 1998). In doing so, people’s ability to know, and, in some ways, control the social world around them is enhanced.
A federal appeals court has upheld a 55-year prison term imposed on a Utah man with no criminal record who was convicted in 2003 of selling several hundred dollars worth of marijuana on three occasions.
"More info to dispel the suggestion that legalization will relieve the citizens of any costs related to drug consumption."
The word "drug" is not even clearly defined by you or the authoritarian jack boots. There are all kinds of problems with using blanket statements as I have already pointed out. The fact that you ignore it and continue to make blanket statements show the lack of scientific discernment in your posts.
"to distinguish" something which you have continually, NOT DONE, in your posts. No statements distinguishing the precise details. That means they are statements lacking scientifc and logical accuracy.
As you can see the Etymology dictionary makes distinction between possible definitions. Why do your messages always seem to use blanket statements, why not stick to the specific point of debate instead of making the comparisions and spurious connections between distinct substances?
Sorry but people use medicine to ease their pain, that is simply reality, when you take away the ability of people to mitigate their pain and put it in the hands of unjust law enforcers and doctor/priests, you also revoke a basic human right of self determination. Next they'll be telling people what jobs they can or can't do, based on a techno-caste system, that's where it goes, and that is the true gateway to corruption and injustice, not marijuana. Evil lies in the hearts of men willing to impose the goals of their distorted perception on others. With the intent to destroy others natural rights on this planet. Evil does not lie in a coca or cannabis plant, they are God given food and medicine. Which can deliver relief in a benign manner when utilized properly, and can supply important chemicals that improve body function simultaneously. With all things taken into account, including agricultural upbringing, minimal processing, and mode of ingestion, the proper methods can be utilized with no ill effect.
Your right relative to taking the substances for medical purposes.
It is the non essential consumption of the same mind altering and physically altering drugs taken by millions of people that concerns the law enforcement officials and the people who are in positions of authourity.
If I knew that every drug consumer who takes the drugs for recreational purposes was a responsible person and or responsible while stoned on the drugs and everything associated with the drug consumption was good for society I would not be here debating the problems.
You can not defend the use of the drugs without considering the negatives also and you can not argue on behalf of the drugs without acknowledging the drugs associated detriments.
Maybe for you personally the drug has made your life better in many respects...but you can not use your own personal positive results as the "standard example" used to justify the consumption of mind altering and physically altering drugs consumed for recreational purposes sucked up by millions and millions of people.
You can not turn a blind eye to what is going on with the millions of people who do have negative experiences with the drug consumption and all that the consumption entails.
If anything just take your drugs and be happy they are there for you to consume...but do not defend the widespread use of the drugs because when you do you are also, in effect, supporting the negative aspects of the drug consumption.
Even if the drugs are legal and free to consume there will always be a long list of negatives attached to the widespread consumption of the drugs.
If you do support the consumption of the drugs then it means you are willing to accept all the various negative aspects of the supply and consumption of the drugs....like all the corrupted practices of law enforcement and people in authority that you are posting.
The drugs will always come with many negative side effects related to their supply and consumption.
Dont think that any of the negatives will never touch upon your life or any of the people in your lives.
The more people that consume the drugs the more chance the drugs will effect you in some negative way, sooner or later.
Yes, just like many other products or substances that are supplied or consumed people have to live with the negatives associated with the supply and consumption of each product or substance being consumed.
Drugs are up there in the top percent of consumer products that come with much more negative aspects related to thier consumption as compared to the many, many products and substances that the nation consumes.
If you expect it to be readily available at the flea markets and on display at Wall Mart without any regulations and rules and laws then you are truely living in a dream world.
More non essential drug consumption means more problems having to be factored into the drug consumption equation on top of all the existing problems associated with the already legal drugs.
Yeah, but you make no distinction as far as "drugs" go in your comments that is the big flaw to your rambling argument. You use a blanket term that is not accurate and infact only brings more confusion. Then you comment about negative side, when the rhetoric you utilize in your messages is a negative side to your inane nebulous argument. Then there are you personal attacks another negative side to your supposed lucid comments. Not very elucidating at all. no specifics only blanket comments of falsehood.
The Real Cost of Prisons Project seeks to broaden and deepen the organizing capacity of prison/justice activists working to end mass incarceration. The Real Cost of Prisons Project brings together justice activists, artists, justice policy researchers and people directly experiencing the impact of mass incarceration to create popular education materials and other resources which explore the immediate and long-term costs of incarceration on the individual, her/his family, community and the nation.
What, just what if drugs or that word were not on this earth. Sure would be wonderful world wouldn't it? We would not be wasting all this time on this subject.
The US rose to eminence by producing value, and by a fair percentage of citizens sharing the wealth. The further the nation has been corrupted from the stability of fairness, the faster our rate of decline. Runaway greed, lust for power, and raw crony capitalism have reversed our national trajectory so insidiously that not just we, but even Earth’s biosphere, are in free fall. Is it more than simple coincidence that such comprehensive decline so closely parallels our prohibition of hemp?
Sure, there was a glitch 5 years after hemp was banned as the evil weed with roots in hell. Top government officials still insist, forcefully, that there is no difference between “marijuana” and industrial hemp. With that in mind, please compare marijuana propaganda and hysteria that heralded hemp prohibition and haunts us to this day, with the government’s own film, Hemp for Victory, produced in 1942. We needed hemp to “win” WWII, so under duress, the feds resorted to truth.
So what changed in those 5 years? Certainly not hemp, exactly the same resource extraordinaire that has served humanity for at least 12,000 years. Priorities changed, propaganda changed. And hemp didn’t change when the war ended and hemp reverted to our enemy. You might wonder, whose enemy?
Arguably, hemp is the most useful member of the entire plant kingdom. So how could nature’s premier converter of sunshine and water into value, a superstar of the biosphere and powerful supporter of life on Earth be considered an enemy?
War is our enemy. Nobody wins in war, everybody loses...except the “money changers”. Ever since Jesus ran them out of the Temple with a whip (remember him, the Prince of Peace?), they have relentlessly, progressively embedded as a certain subspecies—psychopaths born without conscience, without any sense of right or wrong, without a soul; beings to whom truth and justice are alien concepts, to be in any way so much as acknowledged only under extreme duress. So yes, all of humanity loses in war, there are no winners. And coincidence has nothing to do with those at the root of hemp prohibition being the same as those who have blessed us with perpetual war.
As in the words of humanity’s Rosthschild malignancy: “We own you. We will take everything.”
Greed is Not Good
Remember “Morning in America” (mourning?) when “greed is good” pealed like church bells? Reaganomics was born that morning. Even after decades of wealth gushing ever upward, hardly any of it ever seems to trickle back down. Imagine that, shucks, the whole concept sounds so...Reagan. Millions of fossil Americans can still get misty at any mention of “Dutch”.
Despite reality (real reality, not Bush, or reality TV kinds), the GOP (repugnantcan party) clings tenaciously to this fiendish canard even as we approach midnight in America. Trickle-down theory...Reaganomics.
Greed is the glue that sticks wealth to wherever it rises. Greed is also the essence that keeps hemp our enemy. Hemp has every potential to spread wealth down through the workers who actually create wealth, potential to energize regional economies—perfect antidote to the plague of globalization, that concentrator of wealth into, as George H. W. Bush described, “...higher, tighter and righter hands.” Same hands now steering humanity toward hell; hands with the stickiest fingers, and the greatest distance from those passé concepts: humanity, and commonwealth—or common good.
War is All Hell
Keeping track of all our current wars gets increasingly difficult, especially with CorpoMedia so focused on future targets, such as Iran, Pakistan, Syria, Lebanon, Russia, China...even, as certain tea-party princesses have said, the “country” of Africa.
After so much of our manufacturing base has been gutted, fully one third of it within the first decade of “America’s century” (four-fifths of that during the Bush/Cheney nightmare); and with so many other good jobs herded offshore, it might seem that war and financialization are becoming our primary industries. Plunder and casino, rape and manipulation, destruction and parasitism, murder and financial malignancy...the future is so bright we’ve gotta wear headlamps.
The farcical War on Terror is a dream come true for the money changers. The war against a ghost that could never surrender because it’s, well, a ghost. Forever war. And the slimiest war mongers of all feverishly masquerade as hardcore fundamentalist Christians. The Prince of Peace would puke.
Almost seems we can’t engage anything without declaring war on it. And talk about (intentionally?) miserable aim. The War on Terror, besides being a lurid excuse for pirating resources, especially oil, and “spreading freedom and democracy”, it cloaks a maniacal assault on our Constitution (with or without “boots on the ground”) to render the US a police state. Such irony might have only one viable competitor....
The War on Drugs
Somehow, it might not seem quite so bad, a government waging war against its own people to eliminate the scourge of drug abuse; but when that same government is the world’s top drug trafficker...rather exceeds the term irony, transcending into the Twilight Zone.
If more people knew how much the Taliban’s eradication of opium poppy production had to do with why we invaded Afghanistan, and have stretched it out to our longest war ever...well, it probably wouldn’t matter.
It’s sensible business, filling our increasingly-privatized prison system with marijuana smokers to capitalize on a huge, reliable slave-labor pool. And after all, as president Calvin Coolidge said:
“The business of America is business.”
Bad business is one thing, but, the worst business...guess that’s why we’re Number One. When you’re the Boss, anything you might say or do is right; hard right, nowadays, as hard as the righteous wing cherry-picking scripture...and through the most twisted, tortuous exegesis, all but actually saying—indeed, platforming: “In the beginning, God created corporations....”
Of course that’s not quite correct. Hemp came way before corporations. Hemp is even older than money—has actually been used as money, the real kind, not faith-based money (fiat). In early America, taxes could be paid in hemp. Nowadays our tax dollars feed the rounding up of marijuana offenders and packing them into work prisons. Yes, our taxes perpetuate the drug war cash cow (that would wither without marijuana), and insure that hemp will not threaten the status quo in this corporate-controlled home of Big Oil.
Wisdom Versus Cleverness
Our star, Sol, the sun...it gives us all the real-time energy we might ever need. The challenge is harvesting that energy as elegantly as with growing hemp. Luckily...or perhaps exactly the opposite for us—and even more unluckily for our progeny—Earth has been very good at fixing solar energy into fossil energy.
Millions of years worth of solar energy mostly sequestered from the biosphere; toxic, biocidal energy, black death safely isolated from Earth’s life processes.... Perhaps fossil energy is some grand test of human wisdom, along the lines of: If you’re clever enough to significantly tap fossil energy, are you wise enough not to disrupt the biosphere with it?
Cleverness is plentiful—the human brain is magnificent...except for the wisdom deficiency, which so dependably invites disaster. Cleverness often breeds destruction; wisdom involves nurture, greater awareness and esteem for what gave us life and keeps life going, and utmost respect for the future. Wisdom versus cleverness influences being born into heaven, or hell.
Wisdom feeds the creation of value. Cleverness too often engenders a world controlled by parasites who create no value, but instead, employ every form of violence, murder, destruction and manipulation to usurp value from those who create value. Hemp is a paragon of wisdom—of fitting perfectly into and furthering Earth’s living energy systems. Hemp could shield the wisdom in humanity from the parasitical cleverness driving us down the road of perpetual war, toward utter biospheric collapse.
Where will we, and the rest of Earth’s species live after human cleverness collapses our biosphere?
For at least 12,000 years, humanity’s wisdom embraced hemp as an indispensable ally. For 74 years (except for those few years of Hemp For Victory!), cleverness in this nation now become the greatest parasite the world has ever seen has kept hemp our enemy. But wisdom hangs on in the more than 30 countries treating hemp as the supreme natural resource it has always been. Those countries feed the annual $450 million retail hemp business in this country—business living exclusively on imported raw materials.
Nothing compares with hemp in terms of powering good jobs that cannot be offshored—millions of acres of hemp, an agricultural revolution creating an expanding spectrum of gainful employment. Nothing could touch hemp in terms of impacting the near total dominance of corporations in virtually every aspect of modern America.
Hemp offers many thousands of superior products that perpetuate living systems, instead of killing them as the fossil-energy empire is doing—a whole new industry of vast scope, creating value, virtually independent of the corporate fossil empire. Only hemp has such fantastic potential to wrest power from the parasites and spread it among their victims. Hemp could turn Power to the People from a trampled cliché, into glory!
If you believe that marijuana realistically had anything to do with the prohibition of industrial hemp farming in this world’s most powerful parasite...please try to not judge me too harshly. I’m simply advocating wisdom.
For further reading about hemp, and its prohibition, please go here.
The doctor group questions the medical value of pot and acknowledges some health risk from its use but urges it be regulated like alcohol. A law enforcement official harshly criticizes the new stance.
Pot should be available over the counter at every grocery store and corner
market. By making it illegal America has made international organized
criminals wealthy and entire governments corrupt. This is simply a repeat
of prohibition which was never enforced.
As an aside, one acre of hemp produces four times the amount of paper that an
acre of trees but the Fear Mongers of the 1930s (also known as corporate logging
interests, competitors of hemp) frightened the hell out of everyone and they
still do it. We currently import hemp products costing the USA millions of
dollars while it could be home grown. Hemp, if I remember right, has about
1/100th the amount of TCP of marijuana.
As an ancient old fart I have never used marijuana and never intend too but
the absolute mess that we've made out of it and the idiocy of anyone trying to
ban it while saying nothing about alcohol is absolute insanity. Take down
the unregulated prescription serotonin reuptake inhibitors which only benefit
the bit pharmaceuticals - FIRST.
USA: Tobacco-Related Health Costs: $800; Booze-Related
Health Costs: $165; Pot-Related Health Costs: $20
Health-related costs per user are eight times higher for drinkers than
they are for those who use cannabis, and are more than 40 times higher for
tobacco smokers, according to a report published in the British Columbia
Mental Health and Addictions Journal.
According to the report, “In terms of [health-related] costs per user:
tobacco-related health costs are over $800 per user, alcohol-related health
costs are much lower at $165 per user, and cannabis-related health costs are the
lowest at $20 per user.”
The review, authored by researchers from the Centre for Addictions Research of
British Columbia at the University of Victoria and the Canadian Centre on
Substance Abuse at the University of Ottawa, stated: “Alcohol is used by a
very large number of people with the vast majority of these using in low- or
moderate-risk ways. Conversely, cannabis and tobacco are used by far fewer
people. The majority of cannabis use is low- and moderate-risk, however, while
the majority of tobacco is high-risk.”
The study reported that social costs applicable to marijuana are primarily
“enforcement-related.”
The authors concluded: “The harms, risks and social costs of alcohol, cannabis
and tobacco vary greatly. A lot has to do with how the substances are handled
legally. Alcohol and tobacco are legal substances, which explains their low
enforcement costs relative to cannabis. On the other hand, the health costs per
user of tobacco and alcohol are much higher than for cannabis. This may
indicate that cannabis use involves fewer health risks than alcohol or tobacco.
“These variations in risk, harms and cost need to be taken into account as we
think about further efforts to deal with the use of these three substances. …
Efforts to reduce social costs related to cannabis, for example, will likely
involve shifting its legal status by decriminalizing casual use, to reduce the
high enforcement costs. Such a shift may be warranted given the apparent
lower health risk associated with most cannabis use.”
According to a recent Rasmussen national poll of 1,000 likely voters, Americans
believe by more than two to one that alcohol is “more dangerous” than
marijuana.
Hearst in its era was the News Corporation of its day. "Hearst
newspapers introduced the word "marijuana" into English and inflamed
the public with outrageous stories of drug-related violence."
"Make the most of the Indian Hemp seed and sow it everywhere."
- George Washington, 1794
1. "Since 1937, about half the forests in the world have been cut down to
make paper. If hemp had not been outlawed, most would still be standing,
oxygenating the planet." - Alan Bock
2. Historical tradition, if not current federal law, favors hemp. The U.S.
Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, The Gutenberg Bible, and Old
Glory (our nation's first flag) were all made from hemp - as was the favorite
fuel of Henry Ford, the reading lamp oil of Abraham Lincoln, the paints used by
Van Gogh and Rembrandt, and the parachute webbing that saved the live of George
Bush.
3. Hemp canvas covered the Westward-bound wagons, the tall sailing ships, the
bi-planes and zeppelins of World War I, and provided the original Levi pants
worn by California goldminers in 1849.
4. Hemp was so crucial to colonial America that its cultivation was mandated
by law.
5. INDUSTRIAL USES: As an agricultural commodity, hemp is arguably the
world's top renewable resource for fuel, paper, cloth, paint, plastic, protein,
soap, oil and over 25,000 other products.
6. Anything made from oil or wood can be made from hemp.
7. Hemp biomass can be converted into fuels (methane, methanol, gasoline)
more efficiently than fossil fuels (coal, oil) and without the sulfur or acid
rain.
8. Hemp fiberboard is stronger than wood; hemp houses are as strong as cement
houses and better insulated.
9. Plastic, rayon, cellophane made from hemp are biodegradable; plastic and
nylon made from petrochemicals are non-biodegradable. Grocery shoppers given the
choice between paper or plastic bags must decide between cutting down trees or
spewing toxic chemicals. In landfills, both biodegrade slowly if at all.
Visualize a third choice: biodegradable cellophane bags made from hemp. The
paper industry uses nearly half the world's timber harvest. According to the
USDA, hemp produces four times the paper/acre as trees, and grows in all climate
zones of the contiguous 48 states.
10. Hemp paper will last up to 1,500 years; hemp cloth is stronger than
cotton. Cotton requires more pesticides than any other agricultural product (39
million pounds in 1993).
11. Hemp grows without pesticides. Hemp's long taproot improves soil quality
and reduces erosion.
ERADICATION CONSPIRACY: During the 1930s, machinery was developed for
separating hemp fibers from the stalk, thus making widespread industrial use
feasible. Popular Mechanics called hemp a "billion-dollar crop."
12. Hemp's future looked promising but this was not to be. DuPont had just
obtained patents for making nylon from coal, plastic from oil, and paper from
trees.
13. Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon (an oil baron) was DuPont's chief
financial backer. The Hearst newspaper empire owned enormous timber tracts. The
oil, synthetic fiber, timber and cotton industries stood to lose billions if
hemp was not outlawed.
14. Secret meetings were held. Treasury Secretary Mellon appointed his
nephew-in-law to head the Federal Bureau of Narcotics. Hearst newspapers
introduced the word "marijuana" into English and inflamed the public
with outrageous stories of drug-related violence.
15. Anti-marijuana films (Reefer Madness and Assassin of Youth) fanned the
flames of hysteria. The strategy worked. In 1937, Congress outlawed hemp by
imposing a prohibitive tax - just as DuPont's annual report predicted: "...
the revenue-raising power of government may be converted into an instrument for
forcing acceptance of sudden new ideas of industrial and social
reorganization."
16. DuPont Corporation, 1937 As a model of deception and orchestrated media
manipulation, the anti-hemp crusade constitutes one of the greatest hoaxes ever
perpetuated on the American People. Few public relations campaigns in history
can match its success in eradicating competition while transforming citizens
into unknowing pawns of big business. The legacy of Reefer Madness lives on
today. Industrial-grade hemp is worthless as marijuana since its THC (tetrahydrocannabinol)
content is so low, as little as 0.06%.
17. Industrial-grade hemp varieties poses no psychoactive effects. In
contrast, high-grade marijuana strains can have THC contents exceeding 10% but
are worthless for industrial purposes.
18. This vital distinction is lost on those caught up in the anti-drug frenzy
currently fashionable in this country - a frenzy perpetuated by vested
interests. The New York Times, for example, owns a pulp mill in Canada and
benefits from wood pulp paper production.
19. DuPont, Monsanto, Dow Chemical and Standard Oil are protected from
competition by the marijuana laws...as are the cotton, coal, timber, chlorine,
polyester, latex paint and vinyl plastic industries. The major considerations
blocking hemp's utilization are not agricultural or botanical, but political.
20. PATENTED HEMP At least 18 European and Asian countries now grow
industrial-grade hemp. France, the world's largest producer of industrial hemp,
recently patented a hybrid strain containing only 0.4% THC.
21. This ensures ongoing seed purchases from France. French hybrid hemp
requires fertilizers, growth stimulators and pesticides.
22. Patents promote the cultivation of inferior seeds which adversely affect
hemp's overall commercial value.
ENERGY CONVERSION Global climate change is the most threatening and
intractable of all environmental problems we face. Carbon dioxide (CO2) is the
most crucial of the greenhouse gases contributing to global warming. Since
pre-industrial times, CO2 levels have risen by almost 30% due to deforestation
and fossil fuel combustion.
23. The U.S. currently burns fossil fuels for 93% of its energy needs and
consumes 25% of the world's supply.
24. One tank of gasoline generates up to 400 pounds of CO2. During the 1930s,
Henry Ford grew hemp on his estate to demonstrate the efficiency of methanol
production. Both Henry Ford and Rudolph Diesel (inventor of the diesel engine)
intended to power their vehicles with plant-based fuels.
25. Hemp biomass grown for fuel would reverse global warming by converting
CO2 into oxygen during the growing cycle. Hemp is one of the richest biomass
sources. Each acre of hemp yields 10 tons of biomass (1,000 gallons of methanol)
in 4 months.
26. The gas turbine generates cost-competitive electrical power using biomass
fuels. Researchers at Princeton University estimate that biomass fuels combined
with advanced gasifier-gas turbine technology could compete in cost with coal,
nuclear, and hydroelectric power in both industrialized and developing
countries.
27. If vehicle fuel efficiency were doubled, biomass energy could replace all
fossil fuels now used in cars and all coal burned for electricity in the U.S. To
maximize efficiency, plant-based methanol, plastic, rayon and electrical
production could occur at the same facility. In 1982, U.S. nuclear power plants
consumed 540 tons of nuclear fuel, and coal-fired power plants released 2,772
tons of radioactive uranium and thorium into the environment.
28. Hemp biomass farms would abate foreign oil dependency, soil erosion, acid
rain, air pollution and global warming, while laying the groundwork for
revitalized rural communities. Rural pasture land (7% of U.S. acreage) could
produce enough biomass to end U.S. dependence on gas and oil.
29. By converting cotton, tobacco, sugar and cattle feed production into
biomass, energy independence would be within reach. The least valuable hemp
product is biomass fuels. Each acre of hemp grown for fiber and pulp is worth
$750 - considerably more than each acre of corn or wheat.
30. In 1994, President Clinton issued an executive order naming hemp in the
National Defense Industrial Resources Preparedness Policy.
31. In 1995, the Hemp Production Act was introduced in Colorado, and the
Governor of Kentucky appointed a hemp feasibility task force.
32. Several American companies are using imported hemp to produce clothing,
paper, oil and other products. Hemp ice cream, cheese, cookie and pancake mixes
are now available. In each case, demand outstrips supply. Domestically-grown
hemp products would generate new job and business opportunities that benefit the
environment. Innovative economic and environmental programs can benefit
communities. When Oregon restricted logging in 1991, a state restraining program
turned timber workers into auto mechanics, cabinet makers, health care workers,
or accountants.
33. Similar programs can retrain workers now employed in the chlorine,
pesticide, bleached paper, cotton, tobacco and coal industries. In the long run,
every American job depends on our natural resources. Let us uphold our
forefather's traditions by restoring hemp to its rightful place as this nation's
top renewable resource. Let us use its bountiful harvest to heal the mistakes of
generations past and ensure the quality of life for succeeding generations. The
transition of our economy from petrochemical-based to plant-based will ease the
conversion to a chlorine-free economy. Both conversions should be planned and
coordinated simultaneously. During World War II, America's prohibitionist hemp
laws were suspended to meet pending material shortages.
34. Our government asked Kentucky 4-H Club youths to help in the war effort
by growing hemp.35 Farmers were encouraged to grow hemp through the USDA film
"Hemp for Victory." Critical environmental pressures call for these
laws to again be set aside.
Yes ..legalise it and lets see what evolves.
It will be an interesting grand social experiment where a yet to be unknown percent of the citizens can be the human guinea pigs and laboratory rats that a grandiose social experiment would require.
The non consumers of alcohol and cigarettes have long known that marijuana is far less harmfull than alcohol while still debating the harm levels of tobacco verses marijuana smoking.
Tobacco, however does not get you high and does not alter your physical and mental state leaving you good and stoned and in effect intoxicated and therefor a possible liability to yourself and or others around you.
I am not prohibitionist by any means but I do,like most citizens , want law and order and the drug known as marijuana is not conducive to law and order.
To the drug consumer it is a social past time that they all like to seemingly bragg about while telling the world that their drug of choice is less harmfull than alcohol so it should be accepted by society and the other drugs should be rejected.
What is really irksome is just how many of them follow the dogma of the drug consuming brotherhoods propaganda that tells people the drug is "Harmless" and there are no problems caused by pot consumption
However if the mass of citizens decide to reject all of the drugs, including marijuana then the pot heads call foul and want special privilages for their consumption of their drug of choice.
It would almost be acceptable if the drug was actually consumed on its own ( seperate from all the other party hardy drugs and alcohol) and or if the drug consumer actually stayed at home and never go outside and or have to interact with the rest of society.
However, statistically, the very stoned pot heads and or habitual marijuana consumer is outside and going about their normal everyday activities and interacting with all the other citizens, most of whom are not stoned and they are not interacting and functioning in a altered mental and physical state.
I like to envision all the pot heads with a dog collar around their necks and a very short leash that effectively keeps them from leaving their designated pot smoking point of drug consumption.
Feed them some more pot and watch them wag thier tails.
I sometimes envision 2 habitual pot heads having a major car accident while stoned on pot and then stand back and watch them argue about who caused the accident.
"No..it is his fault, I only smoked 1 joint and he is lying...he smoked more than me ... I know it because I am a experienced pot head myself..I can see it in his eyes and I know he smoked more pot than I did so he is to blame for the accident"
"Hey man.... you deal in the stuff so you are to blame. Carrying around all that pot in your car makes the car go out of balance and caused you to swerve into me...have a look in the back of his car officer"
Cannabis has been around and used for thousands of years, the vision you put forth only spans a century at most, this shows how infantecimal the perception put forth in your messages is. Along with all the other mode-earn psyentists it is as if documentation is only reliable for less than a century, and anything before that is myth, when in fact data in this day and age is massaged and manipulated in order to create a false perception. It is generally covered in marketing classes at major colleges, "How to lie with statistics" comes to mind.
Cannabis never destroyed a society in the past, and was only deemed a scourge less than one hundred years ago. And that was based in part by the wealthy TPTB that wanted to control industry. With industrial hemp legal, they would have never been able to accomplish the iron grip they now hold on society. Welcome to the corporate fascist reality that is now and realize drug prohibition and especially the prohibition of cannabis is indicative of the current jack boot system. When it is once again legal, they(TPTB) will continue to try to control it, but it won't work free society will slip through their grasp. Natural law will be triumphant, because it is based on life not money and power.
Grow the hemp and use it for the industrial purposes it was meant for.
Why dont you smoke the industrial hemp?
Tell us why you dont smoke the industrial hemp same as you would tobacco.
I am certain there are many benifits of smoking industrial hemp that would be usefull for your medical conditions.
You smoke the hemp that gets you high because that is what you want more so than any relief you get from the chemical substances that are in the marijuana for medical purposes.
Will you always be addicted to the drug and your everyday existance revolves around the habitual high you get from the drug???
I don't get "high" from cannabis, I get normal, that is, I am not in pain and suffering to the same extent, and I actually have a healthy appetite also as a result. And generally I like not to smoke it, as it is more affectively delivered in different manners.
Well. You may be thinking I am attacking you but that is not the case.
As I said before:If you do have a legitimate medical condition and marijuana helps you then I do not oppose the use of marijuana for medical use.
What I do oppose is all the "cretins" who abuse and fraudulently use the medical marijuana system to obtain marijuana to get high on when they do not have a legitimate reason for using it.
I have yet to see you post any articles about the fraudulent abuses and corruption of the medical marijuana system. The compassionate system that has evolved on behalf of persons such as you.
You know I could easily find and post news articles and data revealing how the medical marijuana system has become a gateway for all the pot heads to get their drugs under invalid and unethical circumstances.
It is a great scam for all the pot heads and has numerous social implications and "ramifications":
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From the dictionary: "Ramifications"
"A related or derived subject, problem, etc.; outgrowth; consequence; implication: The new tax law proved to have many ramifications unforeseen by the lawmakers"
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When all the pot heads abuse the system then that is one more negative ramification for people such as yourselves that are in need of the medical marijuana as it reflects badly on the legitimate consumers and further reinforces the belief that the pot heads and marijuana consumers are untrustworthy, questionable characters and far from honorable.
But I am curious to know why you do not use the common commercial hemp or at least try it?
Have you tried the many hemp plant by products such as hemp oil or hemp powders or hemp seeds or specific hemp derivatives??
On your behalf I have posted information in support of commercial hemp production.
Everything said in the above article of information I already knew. A long time ago I knew that hemp production is extremely beneficial to society and the consumers of the many hemp products.
I know all about the history and have read dozens of publications about commercial hemp.
I support its cultivation.
In Canada we have some of the largest legal hemp production in the world and I have used the hemp oil and hemp powders myself. (None of them are cheap)
I do not oppose the commercial hemp production and neither did all the other citizens.
The fact that large corporations and powerful individuals sought to destroy the hemp industry comes as no surprise to me and the fact that people and certain entities conspire to keep it that way also comes as no surprise to me.
They are protecting their agendas at the expense of the others and they do not care and that comes as no surprise also.
It is the hemp plant variety that produces the realized "drug effects" that people oppose.
That aspect of hemp cultivation comes with a sinister twist and always has and will continue even after it is legalized.
I wish it did not, but it does because of the drug induced effects that are all part of the substance and all part of the consumption.
Take away the "high" created by the drug and you will not find all too many people interested in smoking it or consuming it if it does not get you stoned.
I know people want to have fun and get stoned for laughs and I can not stop them from doing so if that is what they want.
However, if the drug consumption causes any problems at all for me or society in any way whether it be legal or illegal you can hardly expect people to simply ignore any of the related problems and hope they will go away or fix themselves.
Maybe you never see or feel the problems that I am discussing and maybe you actually believe there are no drug related problems in your world.....but for many others there are problems and they are not happy about having to be confronted with those associated drug consumption problems, what ever they may be and however minor or insignificant they may seem to be in your opinion.
Just as you are not going to back down on your position I can assure you many who oppose the use of the drug are not going to back down on their position either! Why should they when they are not the ones consuming or supplying the drug...the very drug that creates the contentious issues.
All over the country people are finding themselves confronted by the various social contentions that arise when the drug comes into their lives and into their neighborhoods.
Problems that did not exist before the drug came into their lives and or the lives of people around them and changed the comfortable patterns of the social environment they live in.
As I have said before and will say again and always say: "When you are living a lucid, drug free, alcohol free, tobacco free life but you have to be subject to the personalities and antics, actions and habits of drunkards and tobacco addicts and drug addicts and or habitual drug consumers who think it is OK and acceptable to impose their drug induced and drug seduced personalities, mentalities and attitudes upon the rest of the people around them, then you are and will have people opposing the use of the substances and or the people who use them.
If you think the drug is ALL good and causes no harm and no problems and it is only the people factor or the human factor that causes any harm and any problems then that is your right to think anyway you want to think.
Regardless of how you think you will still have to live with the fact that there will always be lots and lots of people who oppose the use of the drug and do not want it to be around them and certainly do not want the drug to be made easily available.
The drug is not problem free and or harmless to everyone under all circumstances of its supply and or consumption.
If you can not bring yourself to acknowledge and or recognsise the many negative social implications and detrimental ramifications of marijuana consumption then you are just wasting peoples time when you attempt to paint a pretty picture concerning non essential, recreational drug consumption.
drug free56 "Well. You may be thinking I am attacking you but that is not the case.
As I said before:If you do have a legitimate medical condition and marijuana helps you then I do not oppose the use of marijuana for medical use."
Thats not what you said last message. Your messages are flip flopping.
Here is what you said.
drugfree56 "You smoke the hemp that gets you high because that is what you want more so than any relief you get from the chemical substances that are in the marijuana for medical purposes.
Will you always be addicted to the drug and your everyday existance revolves around the habitual high you get from the drug???
Kind of pitifull really."
That's attacking the messanger and not the message, plain and simple. You are utilizing a hypothetical without stating it as such. Here's how it works.
Will you always be ignorant of the facts, your everyday existence is not a lucid one, but one of foolish ignorance.
Now that it has been established that fluoride (F) exposure contributes to the calcification of the pineal gland, the question remains: what are the subjective affects of these tissue changes to those who undergo them?
Prozac may represent an archetypal example of how fluoride affects the personality/soul. This drug (chemical name fluoxetine) is approximately 30% fluoride by weight and marketed as an "antidepressant," even while a major side effect of its use and/or withdrawal is suicidal depression. Modern psychiatry often treats depressive disorders - the "dark night of the soul" - as an organic disorder of the brain, targeting serotonin reuptake by any chemical means necessary. Fluoride and fluoxetine, in fact, may accomplish their intended "therapeutic effects" by poisoning the pineal gland. Animal studies confirm that when mice have their pineal glands removed they no longer respond to fluoxetine. Source
Perhaps the primary reason why Prozac causes a favorable reaction in those who are treated (poisoned) with it, is that it disassociates that person from the psychospiritual conflicts that they must normally suppress in order to maintain the appearance of sanity and functionality in society, i.e. it is control and not health that is the goal of such "treatment."
If Prozac and other sources of fluoride in our environment deposits within the pineal gland, accelerating the transformation of functional pineal tissue into calcification, is it possible that it works by dehumanizing and flattening the affect of those who are under its influence?
HMMM..then you may be the first person ever to not get stoned when you consume Marijauna.
I would rather have you consuming marijuana to relieve you of what ails you as compared to the nasty addictive legal drugs that are supplied by the pharmaceutical companies.
Many of Those drugs are chemical formulas that are about as toxic as toxic can be on top of being down right dangerous to consume in regulated doses..but they will tell you different of course as long as it results in sales.
And I never said I support them in favour of marijuana as a medical use substance.
You and I would agree on how they are a bunch of manipulative, corrupted, self serving entities.
But they serve a usefull purpose and the drugs they do supply have benifits enough that they are not going to dissapear anytime soon to be replaced by marijuana.
If I have to choose marijuana over chemical drug formulas for any future medical conditions I will be joining you in your consumption of marijuana if I do confirm it helps me.
But I will not be recommending it to other people for recreational consumption and I will exhaust all other avenues related to other natural substances before I try marijuana to relieve me of what ails me.
For example: I have pain in my left knee cap area and I have never suffered an injury but when I walk a lot more than usual I feel knee pain...fortunately nothing serious ..but more or less just aggrevating.
I could try to smoke some marijuana and learn if it relieves me of my pain and discomfort but I am 99.99 % sure that the marijuana is not going to address the associated problem with the knee itself...rather the marijuana is going to simply relieve me of the discomfort and make me feel comfortable and at ease with the condition.
Meantime I know that a good MSM joint formula ( MSM, Gloucosamine and Chondroitin Sulfates) does work because the natural substances in the formula are related to the function and integrity of the knee cap joint.
I take the formula and the condition "does go away" because the ingredients are part of the associated knee function and relative to the associated problems of cartilage degeneration.
When you have a vitamin or mineral deficiency you can not expect marijuana to correct that problem.
It should be obvious that the problem can be addressed by way of eating foods that contain the vitamins or minerals and or vitamin and mineral supplements can and often do solve the problem.
I am 99.99% certain that marijauna is not going to reverse a vitiamin or mineral deficiency in people with such problems.
I envison all the more people turning to marijauna to solve their medical conditions when that is not the correct way to address the medical condition and solve the associated problems of the condition.
It will become way to easy for people to smoke some marijuana and then claim they feel better while stoned on the marijauna while not correctly addressing the root of the problem.
I envision legal medical marijuana becoming just one more quick fix drug used and recommended by people and or physicians to relieve people of what ails them rather than understanding that there are better natural choices and or lifestyle choices that can eliminate the problems or relieve the patient of the problems but not by way of a drug effect type of substance administered to the patient.
That is how it is with all too many of the pharmecutical drugs and you can be assured the marijuana, as a medical use substance will also be applied in such a manner resulting in all too many believing they are getting better when they are not actually getting healthier.
Once the drug becomes part of the mainstream medicinal products available for consumers to choose you can be assured it will be misused and abused and corrupted and touted as a cure all for what ever ails you rather than practising better health and better lifestyle choices.
The scam artists and con men are waiting in the shadows for this one to become a regular mainstrem medicine to be sold to the public.
If it is proven that specific elements derived from cannabis can be applied to the patients medical condition then then I would support it, of course.
Research is doing just that but of course you would want the people selling the cannabis derived elements and substances, to be used for medicinal puposes, to be sure that there are minimal side effects for the patients using the substances.
Anyhow...if it is drug you can expect good intentions to run amuck more so than most other substances.
"I could try to smoke some marijuana and learn if it relieves me of my pain and discomfort but I am 99.99 % sure that the marijuana is not going to address the associated problem with the knee itself...rather the marijuana is going to simply relieve me of the discomfort and make me feel comfortable and at ease with the condition."
See how you are ignorant of the proper use of cannabis. You could simply use a cannabis salve, That would make the pain go away and you wouldn't have to smoke at all.
"I take the formula and the condition "does go away" because the ingredients are part of the associated knee function and relative to the associated problems of cartilage degeneration."
Well is that formula really essential?
"I envison all the more people turning to marijauna to solve their medical conditions when that is not the correct way to address the medical condition and solve the associated problems of the condition."
You can envision whatever you want, thats not going to make it true.
"It will become way to easy for people to smoke some marijuana and then claim they feel better while stoned on the marijauna while not correctly addressing the root of the problem."
Pure speculation, and all that would be able to be addressed if cannabis was legal.
" envision legal medical marijuana becoming just one more quick fix drug used and recommended by people and or physicians to relieve people of what ails them rather than understanding that there are better natural choices and or lifestyle choices that can eliminate the problems or relieve the patient of the problems but not by way of a drug effect type of substance administered to the patient."
Cannabis is natural, been used thousands of years, envision all you want, but please take reality into account.
"Once the drug becomes part of the mainstream medicinal products available for consumers to choose you can be assured it will be misused and abused and corrupted and touted as a cure all for what ever ails you rather than practising better health and better lifestyle choices."
Thats right no drug will change peoples choices, which is counter to what you have been stating.
"The scam artists and con men are waiting in the shadows for this one to become a regular mainstrem medicine to be sold to the public."
You mean like hundreds of years ago when it was legal and was commonly accepted as a medicine? They wouldn't be called scam artists and con men if they push something that actually helps.
"If it is proven that specific elements derived from cannabis can be applied to the patients medical condition then then I would support it, of course."
That is the whole problem with Mode-earn drugs. They are not natural, they are refined substances which are not complete. Marinol is the perfect example of a failed pharmaceutical that tries to mimick a natural herbs potency.
"Anyhow...if it is drug you can expect good intentions to run amuck more so than most other substances."
Any time money is involved we can be sure there will be problems.
I could try to smoke some marijuana and learn if it relieves me of my pain and discomfort but I am 99.99 % sure that the marijuana is not going to address the associated problem with the knee itse ... Sorry, we had to truncate this message! ... Click here to read it
"As I said I am 99.99 % certain that marijuana taken in any way is not going to address the core problems associated with the knee joint degeneration."
Well you are ignorant of the facts then.
"For relief of the pain...to make the pain go away ...while consuming the marijuana in any way and while stoned, very well could be used to make the pain go away but I know for sure marijuana is not a cartilage support and cartilage generation substance that is going to reverse the condition.
Other substances have been proven to address the core problem..not mask the problem and cover it with pain killing abilities."
You are wrong on this one.
Arthritis
Arthritis refers to any more than 100 inflammatory joint disorders characterized by pain, swelling, and limited movement. Arthritis involves the inflammation and degeneration of cartilage and bone that make up the joint. Experts estimate that more than 31 million people in the United States alone suffer from various degrees of the disease. Common forms of arthritis are osteoarthritis and rheumatoid arthritis. Emerging evidence implies that cannabis can help alleviate symptoms of both conditions.
Cannabis' pain reducing properties are well documented and emerging evidence indicates that it holds anti-inflammatory qualities. Dale Gieringer, author of the paper "Review of Human Studies on the Medical Use of Marijuana," cites three animal and laboratory studies documenting cannabis' potential anti-inflammatory effects. In addition, a 1988 study by an British research team found the cannabinoid CBD (cannabidiol) ameliorated inflammation in mice.
As I said before: There are other products / substances / ingrediants that are a first choice before marijuana and they do not come with a stoned feeling and the stoned effects of ingesting marijuana.
I dont need to be stoned on pot all the time or any other drug while seeking to remedy a common condition.
I imagine you consume marijuana for everything that ails you and I imagine you recommmend it to everyone as a means to cure their ailments.
I imagine you are going to tell me you have tried "everything else" and ONLY marijauna is what helps you....as you beleive nothing else can help your medical condition.
With the hundreds of possible products in the market you choose to take marijuana.
And I suppose you are going to tell me that the stoned effect,the intoxicated effect, the high that "everyone" gets from ingesting marijuana has nothing, nothing at all to do with the reason you choose marijauna as your drug of choice for what ails you.
While the drug helps you in certain aspects of your condition it could also be causing problems in other aspects but in your mind the drug can do no harm so any negative side effects that could be developing or maybe exist at present are not to be recognised and simply ignored.
You have self diagnosed yourself and proclaimed that marijuana is the ONLY substance that can resolve your medical problems and there is no need now to look any further for other possible choices.
You carry on taking your wonder drug called marijuana and I will carry on taking substances that do not have a drug like, intoxicating effect on me after I take the drug.
What I take is not a drug but what you take, although it works for you, is still classified as a drug and always will be and the scientific community is not going to be persuaded by you and your arguement that the marijuana you consume is NOT a drug...just because "befurther" says so and the pot heads of the world attempt to convince us it is not a drug.
I asked before: Why do you not consume the commercial kind of hemp that does not have the intoxicating abilities.
There is a very good chance the elements found in the commercial variety of hemp are the same elements found in the intoxicating variety of hemp.
I surmize the reason is: You like the "high". You like the intoxication that marijuana consumption gives you and even if you did not have the medical condition you have then you would be one of that percent of citizens that likes to be stoned / intoxicated all the time any how.
Go ahead...I choose to live a drug free life and live without being intoxicated all the time on a drug substance and do not support or advocate the use of drugs...any drugs and especially the ones that are classified as illegal recreational drugs.
Have I taken the available pharmaceutical drugs over the years?
Yes, as they are available but I would rather not take them and I would rather try to find other choices and yes , if I had to choose marijuana over most of the nasty pharmacuetical drugs then I may consider marijuana.
However if the pharmeceutical drugs did not intoxicate me the way that I know marijuana will intoxicate me I may very well decide to take the pharmaceutical drugs.
I dont want to be high / stoned / intoxicated by any substance that I ingest for any medical condition that I may have or could have.
My first choice will be living a heathier lifestyle including excersising, including changing my diet and or first trying Vitamin and Mineral supplements and or all the hundreds of non drug kinds of natural remedies( non intoxicating) including products that originate from the hemp plant, which I have bought and consumed before such as hemp oil and hemp powders.
Those hemp products do not come with the intoxication effect.
Yes I want to be ....drug free, without the intoxcity!
"I dont need to be stoned on pot all the time or any other drug while seeking to remedy a common condition."
Cannabis salve doesn't get you stoned. Enjoy your degeneration.
"I imagine you consume marijuana for everything that ails you and I imagine you recommmend it to everyone as a means to cure their ailments."
You may as well smoke pot if you are going to have a delusional imagination like that.
"While the drug helps you in certain aspects of your condition it could also be causing problems in other aspects but in your mind the drug can do no harm so any negative side effects that could be developing or maybe exist at present are not to be recognised and simply ignored.
You have self diagnosed yourself and proclaimed that marijuana is the ONLY substance that can resolve your medical problems and there is no need now to look any further for other possible choices."
More delusional rhetoric, you have no idea about what I do. Your making this all up in your mind.
"You carry on taking your wonder drug called marijuana and I will carry on taking substances that do not have a drug like, intoxicating effect on me after I take the drug"
Cannabis salve does not have an intoxicating effect.
"What I take is not a drug but what you take, although it works for you, is still classified as a drug and always will be and the scientific community is not going to be persuaded by you and your arguement that the marijuana you consume is NOT a drug...just because "befurther" says so and the pot heads of the world attempt to convince us it is not a drug."
I am not concerned with what the priest/scientists believe and the scientific community is basically run by money grubbing control freaks who are concerned with the bottom line. You can consider it to be a drug, I consider it to be a unique substance with its own use, which is far more scientific a stance then a general term "drugs" that lacks a definitive meaning.
"I asked before: Why do you not consume the commercial kind of hemp that does not have the intoxicating abilities."
I do consume hemp seed oil and protein, and it is all part of the proper consumption of cannabis.
"There is a very good chance the elements found in the commercial variety of hemp are the same elements found in the intoxicating variety of hemp."
Yeah well, the THC and CBD content is not as concentrated in the industrial hemp. Also the industrial hemp strains are grown for specific use, for example certian varieties are better for rope and clothing. Regardless it is not legal to grow industrial hemp in the US, so it is virtually impossible to obtain unprocessed hemp seeds in their whole form. Which would be ideal to benefit from its raw state.
"I surmize the reason is: You like the "high"."
I already told you I don't get "high". But not surprisingly you are now ignoring what I said. That is mighty "lucid" of you.
"You like the intoxication that marijuana consumption gives you and even if you did not have the medical condition you have then you would be one of that percent of citizens that likes to be stoned / intoxicated all the time any how."
You don't know me. And you are drawing your own delusional conclusion.
"Go ahead...I choose to live a drug free life and live without being intoxicated all the time on a drug substance and do not support or advocate the use of drugs...any drugs and especially the ones that are classified as illegal recreational drugs."
Sure you are "drug free", I don't believe that for a second. You even admitted you eat chocolate.
"Have I taken the available pharmaceutical drugs over the years?
Yes, as they are available but I would rather not take them and I would rather try to find other choices and yes , if I had to choose marijuana over most of the nasty pharmacuetical drugs then I may consider marijuana."
See! I told you, you weren't "drug free" Good job contradicting yourself within a sentence.
"However if the pharmeceutical drugs did not intoxicate me the way that I know marijuana will intoxicate me I may very well decide to take the pharmaceutical drugs.
I dont want to be high / stoned / intoxicated by any substance that I ingest for any medical condition that I may have or could have."
OK.........That is nice, you could always get runners high, by running long distances. Or you could get high off your adrenaline if a car almost runs you over. Or if you are going to make an arrest you might get an adrenaline rush like police do.
"My first choice will be living a heathier lifestyle including excersising"
You should exercise your spelling. Then when you are done, you can go get high off of you endorphins you get from exercising.
"including changing my diet and or first trying Vitamin and Mineral supplements and or all the hundreds of non drug kinds of natural remedies( non intoxicating) including products that originate from the hemp plant, which I have bought and consumed before such as hemp oil and hemp powders."
Anything, even the vitamins and minerals you take can be intoxicating if you take them improperly. Therefore according to your "non intoxicating" reasoning, they are drugs as well. Hemp oil and hemp protein contain minute amounts of THC as well, so you do take drugs, contradicting your statement above once again.
"Those hemp products do not come with the intoxication effect."
Only because they have low THC levels. Regardless Hemp is still illegal to grow in the US. All because of the draconian drug laws and fascist control freaks in power.
"Yes I want to be ....drug free, without the intoxcity!"
Intoxicity isn't even technically a word...seems to me your messages are talk-sick.
"Why would Marijuana as a legal drug substance not also be utilized that same as other drugs that people want and use for a quick fix.
You explain to me exactly why it would not, to an extent, be used that way and believed to be a "cure all" and quick fix like so many other drugs that are touted and used as such.
Why…because you say so?"
That's not the point, the point is to be able to use natural herbs without a fascist government and a bunch of control freaks trying to tell people what is best for them. It's called free choice.
"You can assure me that is not going to happen at all?"
HUH?
"I know differently from researching it on the internet."
I know differently from personal experience.
"Cannabis is also a drug! The consumption rate of the drug back then as compared to the volumes consumed now were far less in times gone past and it was far less potent in times gone past."
Prove it! More speculation.
"The new potency is stated and confirmed by many of the pro drug websites and the anti drug websites."
Those studies are flawed and I have already pointed out why.
"Not to say it does not have any medical benefits, I know marijuana has numerous medical benefits but once it becomes legal then why would there be a need to have it regulated as a medical substance when you can simply go buy it in its various strengths from the many legal suppliers selling it for recreational uses."
Those doctor/priests shouldn't have a monopoly on peoples health. I have done the research and know the health benefits, I don't need a doctor to try and tell me what to do. And neither does any one else with knowledge.
"How is your new system going to account for the medicinal aspects of marijuana after it is legalized verses the recreational use of the drug."
The same way it worked when it was legal in the past.
"If marijuana is to also be sold as a medical substance, will it have to be supplied and sold separately from the same drug that is being sold as a recreational substance??
What is your answer to that?"
It will be sold as the substance that it is, a natural herb. Just like cayenne, chocolate, or nutmeg.
"Your know it all answer to that will be interesting to read. Explain what is it that will stop anyone that wants it for medical purposes from simply getting it from the recreational purposes suppliers."
Hey it's their choice, they live on this planet and they aren't hurting anyone by taking natural herbs. Why are their so many control freaks that want to lord over people with their ignorance? It's going to be interesting to hear, The know it all response to that question.
"You explain to me in detail why those that are legally allowed to sell marijuana would be or should be allowed to advertise its known or supposed health and medical benefits and why they should not be restricted with laws or rules relative to how it is promoted and advertised as such??"
Why bother?
"No……it will have to be based on scientific research and proof and until the public buys into that proof and or the governments and people in positions of accountability and authority are convinced the product is safe "eneough" as a medicinal substance for mass consumption, then that aspect of marijuana consumption will remain in question."
The substance has been used for THOUSANDS OF YEARS! Plenty of knowledge already available. Sorry you do not accept that knowledge, but it is all well known and documented.
"If they do want to promote it or sell it as a legal, scientifically proven medicinal substance then the substance will certainly have to come under the FDA rules and regulations."
We should get rid of the FDA. It is corrupt to the core.
"You may say: Nope, it won’t go that way but I would be willing to put my money where my mouth is and that is what will happen."
Exactly, even when it becomes, seemingly legal it will still be manipultaed by the "nefarious" and "lucid" people that get into government. The control freaks that claim they are "lucid".
"The FDA will not allow you or any company to advertise and or sell it as a "medicinal substance or medicinal value product""
Ultimately people should strive for inter-independence, where we all help one another become independent, so we don't have to rely on so-called "authorities" or "experts" that try to hold a monopoly onliving life in their control freak mentality.
"If you do you will be in violation of all kinds of rules and regulations and laws and the penalties are surprisingly harsh.
It is not an approved product by the FDA and they enforce their rulings."
Oh no! They are going to continue to try and persecute me with their continued injustice, I never expected that!(sarc)
"Also...if some of the consumption of the drug is to be used specifically for medical purposes then how is that going to work when it is legal to walk into any place that sells it legally for recreational purposes that can supply the same marijuana to be used for medical purposes???"
Remember how it used to be legal all those years ago....same thing, it will work the same.
"I AM NOT TAKING ANY SIDES ON THIS PARTICULAR ASPECT OF THE DEBATE ..."
That is a lie, according to your former messages.
"I AM JUST POINTING OUT ONE MORE VERY LARGE PROBLEM THAT WILL BE ALL THE MORE OF A CONTENTIOUS ISSUE CONCERNING LEGALISED MARIJUANA RELATIVE TO ITS STATED TO BE MEDICAL USES AND THE FDA POSITION."
Wouldn't be a problem if it was really legal.
"YOU CAN NOT EXPECT IT TO BE LEGALLY SOLD AS A MEDICINE UNTIL IT IS SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN TO BE AND ACCEPTED AS SUCH BY THE FDA, REGARDLESS OF THE MANY EXISTING SCIENTIFIC STUDIES THAT PROVE IT HAS CONFIRMED MEDICINAL USES.
IF YOU CAN NOT GET THE APPROVAL OF THE FDA THEN IT WILL NOT BE ALOWED TO BE ADVERTISED, PROMOTED OR SOLD AS A MEDICAL SUBSTANCE.
IF YOU ARE DEALLING WITH THE FDA THEN THE RULES AND REGULATIONS AND LAWS MAY BE FAR MORE OF A HEADACHE THAN THEY ARE WORTH, SO MAYBE, BETTER IT REMAINS ILLEGAL IN THAT RESPECT"
FDA should be shut down it is corrupt.
"I can assure you not all will be well in the world of legalized marijuana consumption and I envision the pot heads and habitual consumers of pot in the future complaining about legal marijuana consumption and reminiscing about the “good old days†before legalization and angry about all the a**ho**s that had it legalized when it was just fine the way it used to be."
More baseless speculation.
"Do you live in the past or do you live in the year 2011.
What happened in the past is not always significantly relevant to what is happening now."
But in this case it is relevant.
"The legal substance known as marijuana will also be prey to the low lives and crooks that will market the products with all kinds of hype and promotion and take the money and run."
At least it will be able to be addressed in a legal forum at that point. A step in the right direction, that is for sure.
"If you can derive certain elements from the cannabis plant(s) and use them for medicinal purposes, without the drug effects (intoxication) then there is no real argument against the use of cannabis derived medicinal products."
It is already well known that it can be done naturally with minimal processing. One way is to make cannabis salve, which lessens the intoxicating effects new users feel. Another way which works and lacks the effects of "intoxication" I have mentioned before it is laid out at
http://phoenixtears.ca/
"Again, where will marijuana fit into the scheme of things as a medicinal product and or a recreational product??"
As a natural herb would be ideal. However we know that the control freaks won't allow that.
"Well…..as I pointed out before…drug money is some of the most sinister money around and I would not be so quick to use that Phrase:
For the love of money is the root of all evil"
"Drug money" is a loaded term. To evil people that lust for money, it matters not the source, only the quantity. To them Money is money.
"However, when it comes to the illegal drugs then the drug money or the money from drugs attracts the most nefarious nasty types more so than other money making enterprises."
The nastiest people are the ones that are above the law, they work in intelligence agancies, and they selectively enforce the "law" on whoever they want. They send young men to foreign countries to kill innocents and control poppy and oil fields. They inject people with experimental vaccines in the name of science. They slaughter people with unmanned aerial vehicles. They chop off peoples limbs for being part of a different tribe. These are nefarious people you deem "lucid" because they do not seemingly take "drugs".
"Even when the drug is legal I would confidently surmize it still attracts more sinister types than other legal businesses.
You can disagree if you want and I near expect you to anyhow."
Absolutely I disagree, because what you have stated is unfounded and lacks a back bone.
The Food and Drug Administration weighed into the filtration issue years ago.
"The FDA has sent a letter to industry stating that the FDA does not consider 'ultra-filtered' honey to be honey," agency press officer Tamara Ward told Food Safety News.
She went on to explain: "We have not halted any importation of honey because we have yet to detect 'ultra-filtered' honey. If we do detect 'ultra-filtered' honey we will refuse entry."
Many in the honey industry and some in FDA's import office say they doubt that FDA checks more than 5 percent of all foreign honey shipments.
For three months, the FDA promised Food Safety News to make its "honey expert" available to explain what that statement meant. It never happened. Further, the federal food safety authorities refused offers to examine Bryant's analysis and explain what it plans to do about the selling of honey it says is adulterated because of the removal of pollen, a key ingredient.
Major food safety standard-setting organizations such as the United Nations' Codex Alimentarius, the European Union and the European Food Safety Authority say the intentional removal of pollen is dangerous because it eliminates the ability of consumers and law enforcement to determine the actual origin of the honey.
"The removal of pollen will make the determination of botanical and geographic origin of honey impossible and circumvents the ability to trace and identify the actual source of the honey," says the European Union Directive on Honey.
The Codex commission's Standard for Honey, which sets principles for the international trade in food, has ruled that "No pollen or constituent particular to honey may be removed except where this is unavoidable in the removal of foreign matter. . ." It even suggested what size mesh to use (not smaller than 0.2mm or 200 micron) to filter out unwanted debris -- bits of wax and wood from the frames, and parts of bees -- but retain 95 percent of all the pollen.
Food Safety News asked Bryant to analyze foreign honey packaged in Italy, Hungary, Greece, Tasmania and New Zealand to try to get a feeling for whether the Codex standards for pollen were being heeded overseas. The samples from every country but Greece were loaded with various types and amounts of pollen. Honey from Greece had none.
You'll Never Know
In many cases, consumers would have an easier time deciphering state secrets than pinning down where the honey they're buying in groceries actually came from.
The majority of the honey that Bryant's analysis found to have no pollen was packaged as store brands by outside companies but carried a label unique to the food chain. For example, Giant Eagle has a ValuTime label on some of its honey. In Target it's called Market Pantry, Naturally Preferred and others. Walmart uses Great Value and Safeway just says Safeway. Wegmans also uses its own name.
Who actually bottled these store brands is often a mystery.
A noteworthy exception is Golden Heritage of Hillsboro, Kan. The company either puts its name or decipherable initials on the back of store brands it fills.
"We're never bashful about discussing the products we put out" said Wenger, the company's quality director. "We want people to know who to contact if they have questions."
The big grocery chains were no help in identifying the sources of the honey they package in their store brands.
For example, when Food Safety News was hunting the source of nine samples that came back as ultra-filtered from QFC, Fred Myer and King Sooper, the various customer service numbers all led to representatives of Kroger, which owns them all. The replies were identical: "We can't release that information. It is proprietary."
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