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  • Major concern about Bob Becks zapping? by  jwardmagic  18 mon  1,730  Dr. Beck / Ankylosing / Ulcerative / 4
    I have been reading about Bob Becks zapping technology and have one major concern. The zapping works by damaging the glycoproteins and glcolipid antigens on 'any cell' that floats past the area being electrified. Surely this would also include healthy antigens, blood group antigens, leukocyte antigens?
    If so, this would severely knock your immune system, and I am thinking that people may start to feel unwell due to this, when they think it is just 'die off' symptoms?

    Chris Hyslop from 'commercial science' said that it does damage your erythrocytes. They are renewed every 120 days though, but, surely this would have a negative effect on your body?

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    • Re: Major concern about Bob Becks zapping? by  InCharge  18 mon  1,553

      Color me arrogant, but "this would have a negative effect on your body?"


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    • Re: Major concern about Bob Becks zapping? by  jaguar57  18 mon  1,555
      What validation do you have for your belief?

      "The zapping works by damaging the glycoproteins and glcolipid antigens on 'any cell' that floats past the area being electrified."

      My personal experience doesn't give any weight to the belief that blood electrification lowers immunity. I should know since I've done it almost every day since 1996. Sometimes I stop for a few days and there is no sickness at all that jumps me due to low immunity.
      If the supposed antigen damaging was what causes the "die-off" effect then it would continue throughout all the weeks of treatment, but it doesn't. Die-off is normally only experienced at the beginning although it is sometimes experienced for the full 2 months of treatment with a severe long-lasting viral infection.

      Dr Steven Kaali, patent owner for 2 blood electrification devices, said that electricity itself has no toxic side effects.

      After my initial 2 months of blood electrification (4hz square wave) I had my blood analyzed by microscope and Dr. Tait said my blood looked almost perfect. Also, in the Biophysics Journal, Vol 58 Oct 1990, pages 897-903 the authors wrote that "Human erythrocytes [red blood cells] treated with AC for hours were shown to have normal shape, volume, and permeabilities to potassium and sodium." The research paper "On-Line Electrical Impedance Measurement for Monitoring Blood Viscosity during On-Pump Heart Surgery" said that the electric current goes around the blood cells, not through them, because the cell walls do not conduct electricity at frequencies less than 100KHz. That means the current flows through the blood serum (the liquid surrounding the blood cells) where the microbes are so they can be affected.

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      • Re: Major concern about Bob Becks zapping? by  parazapper  17 mon  1,553
        I agree with the idea that electrification and zappers do not lower immunity. I have been zapping since 2000 and frequently have my blood tested. There has not been any significant change in my blood work in the last 11 years. I do not, however, zap as frequently as you do. At this point in time, my health is so much improved that I only use the zapper when there is an obvious need such as an abscess, flu symptoms, etc., or for occasional cleansing.

        Additionally, while I do not have any studies to support it, I believe that one of the effects of using the zapper ( Clark zapper at least ) is that the zapper can boost the immune system which may have been lulled to sleep. I do not see any reason why the Beck Blood Electrifier would not have some of the same effect in addition to destroying microbes.

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        • Re: Major concern about Bob Becks zapping? by  jwardmagic  17 mon  1,499
          Thankyou for your replies.
          THe reason I said that it damages the antigens of redblood cells was because I read of some test tube studies showing it doing so; the same class of studies done which examined the effect of it on viruses etc. Also, Chris Hyslop from commercial Science said that it also damages red blood cells on this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RnAoCMK5Qec.


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          • Re: Major concern about Bob Becks zapping? by  jaguar57  17 mon  1,425
            I'm sorry but I am skeptical. Show me the study. You wouldn't be the first person to misinterpret a scientific study. They are full of technical and scientific wording that most people don't understand. I know how hard it is to find studies on the internet that you happened to of chanced upon previously so I have been looking in Google "scholar" for any related studies. So far I have only found papers that mention how antigens are not destroyed by electric current but can be "moved" by it (directionally from one electrode and towards the other). Look at patent 4661224 as an example. Patent 5166063 talks about causing biomolecules (enzymes, antibodies, glycoproteins) to stick to an electrode so that they are immobilized, but not in the sense of losing their natural ability but rather losing their mobility in blood because of being stuck electrically to the electrode.

            As far as so-and-so saying it hurts blood, Hulda Clark claimed that 30kHz killed all microbes but never ever gave any proof of it. All because someone with a web site says something, it doesn't make it so.

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          • Re: Major concern about Bob Becks zapping? by  parazapper  17 mon  1,484
            I would like to see those studies. Many times, I have seen posts that claimed studies that were not actually valid studies. In many cases, the person doing the so called study can place their fingers on the scales either inadvertently or prejudicially.

            In my observations of blood under the microscope ( in vitro ) where the blood was zapped continuously for an extended period of time, the RBCs did show s slight distortion but recovered quickly after the current was removed. After the removal of the signal, there was less clumping / aggregation of the blood cells than before zapping. From what I have seen and read, this is a benefit rather than a detriment.

            There is nothing to indicate that such distortion would occur in vivo because of more than one factor. First, the amount of time that the signal applied to the blood is far less. Second, the blood is under the influence of the current for a much shorter time, and third, During the time that the blood is out of the field of influence, it has time to recover.

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