I have many many ideas, and many questions as well. I have only been zapping for a month or two, and have no prior experience or knowledge whatsoever, as may be evident. First off, just as a followup to my water contact post from earlier in the Zapper Forum , I did some resistance tests the results were as follows:
Description Resistance in K ohms current (micro Amps)
Gator clips on dry hands 330 32
Dry copper paddles 72 162
Wet copper paddles 12.5 840
" " " held under saline 8.3 1265
Feet in plastic saline baths 7.3 1438
(separate tubs, 3 in depth)
Note calc current based on parazapper uzi spec 10.5 volt rating continuous
There are several things to talk about here most notably how much better the conductance is when using the salt water plastic tubs. I can really feel much more sensation when the voltage is applied as well. I only did the dry tests out of curiosity btw. However, Beck says in his video lectures that only 50 to 100 uA are needed to kill ALL fungus, bacteria, viruses, (not sure if he said parasites, but I think he does). This was based on the university study that got him going on his blood electrifier to begin with. But, that study was done in vitro. We all know that the current from one wet foot to another in my case, will divide and the amount of current flow through any given vessel is who knows what? As the current travels up through and down the thicker parts of limbs, it is likely to converge at bigger vessels where parallel currents will actually add and the killing effects could possibly be multiplied ( to 14-28x the amount needed as per the study). I guess the point I'm making is this is really the wild wild west, no one really seems to know what were doing or what we are really going for, technically, that I am aware of. I'm not really complaining, as I have always valued experience and anecdotes way beyond most people. But the point is, what do you design for? Why did beck choose 30v? Why did he choose 4 hz? Is it pos offset square wave though? The people at Sota didn't really answer me on that.
Is 4 hz dangerous? This sodium potassium pump that Beck referes to, and the opening caused by electropolation that allows 20-30x the amount of a toxin or herb into a cell? Wow! Is this the reason people say to start zapping at the higher frequencies? Does this phenomenon exist at croft 15hz? Sounds dangerous, but Could this be used to purposly help get things like glutathione into the cells?
If I were to take a zapper or BE and 999 silver and use this material as the contact for zapping. Would I not be making ionic silver inside my tissues? is this a bad thing? What about copper, are we getting any free copper ions? In the case of silver ions, whether in the "colloidal silver" glass or free ions somehow getting into the body or being produced therein, are these ions pos or neg charge (cation or anion)? Do the ions have a free electron or are they looking to gain one. This leads to my next point because if they are looking to gain an electron that makes them oxidants whereas they would otherwise act as an antioxidant (with a free electron).
My next dilema centers around the theory of electron flow and antioxidants vs prooxidants as explainded by Dr. Levy who got his ideas from the guy that discovered vitamin C in the 30's. There is little doubt that zappers, blood electrifiers, and pulsing magnetic fields mechanically stimulate electron flow, which in and of itself is most likely a good thing, However, do any of these result in any net gain or loss of electrons. I cannot see that they can do that, other than, in the case of dosing up on antioxidants from foods or supplements, the mechanically induced electron flow could possibly push free electrons into places/tissues that they otherwise would not have made it into which could potentially be a very good thing.
And this begs the question, can we optimize a device to supply the body with free electrons or are such things already out there? As we know electron flow is from neg to pos batt terminals. We might know or recall that particularly on old car batteries it was the pos post that tends to have the most issue with corrosion (think "+ "is electron taker = oxidant, "-" is electron donor = antioxidant). So if you buy into this idea then you want to design something that avoid oxidative damage caused by the positive post of your battery system (corrosion=oxidative stress=pulling free electrons from the body). I don't know yet how to do this. The main question is will a negative battery terminal donate its free electrons (which in theory would act like antioxidants in the body) WITHOUT a current path back to its positive terminal and the answer is? I don't know but I don't think it will. Perhaps if you create a pos ground system like some old tractors and you "switch ground" to yourself while holding the negative terminal constant to the load (your body) a potential difference might exist between you and the negative terminal even when the ground is not applied and therefore you would gain electrons AND possibly the nature of a positive ground system, especially if it were an earth ground, may negate the corrosive effects of the positive terminal or confine them to an area outside yourself? Once again, I don't really know much and I'm sorry for saying that but ideas are ideas and they more I learn, the more I wonder.
As you can see, what I am thinking of is the opposite line of thinking, the device I imagined is "negative offset" square wave. Yet I have read that negative spikes are harmful. Why is that?
Interesting numbers, how did you obtain the readings?
>- the current from one wet foot to another in my case, will divide and the amount of current flow through any given vessel is who knows what?
If you take each section of the body that the current is flowing through, the same current will be found going through it as well as any other section. The same current that flows through the ankle section will also flow through the calf section, through the knee section, through the thigh section.
The current flowing through any section will be divided among the various tissues and fluids of that section, inversely proportional to the resistance of that tissue or fluid.
When frequencies become involved rather than DC, it is even more involved as there are reactances involved such as capacitance which may vary in relation to the applied frequencies as well as the presence of various resonances.
>- Why did he choose 4 hz?
Possibly because it is roughly 1/2 the Schuman resonance frequency of 7.83 Hz. Don Croft's Terminator uses 15 Hz which is about double this frequency.
>- Is it pos offset square wave though?
No, it is actually bipolar, which is sort of the same in some respects. In the first half of each cycle, the first electrode is positive and the other is negative. In the other half of the cycle, the first electrode is negative and the second one is positive. As a result, there is always a positive charge at one of the electrodes.
One of the best zappers that we ever produced was the ParaZapper MX-2 because it used this same type of output.
>- Would I not be making ionic silver inside my tissues?
To a very small extent. Most of the silver would remain concentrated in the epidermal areas and would be shed with the skin.
>- is this a bad thing?
The worst that would happen? Ever see 'The Blue Man' on TV?
>- What about copper, are we getting any free copper ions?
Yes, copper can be literally plated onto the skin. Always wrap any electrodes in wet paper towels.
>- There is little doubt that zappers, blood electrifiers, and pulsing magnetic fields mechanically stimulate electron flow,
Should be 'no doubt', this is what electricity does.
>- do any of these result in any net gain or loss of electrons.
No, whatever charge that enters through one electrode, leaves through the other.
>- I have read that negative spikes are harmful. Why is that?
In his book "Body Electric", Dr. Robert O. Becker, M.D. explains that the positive current will impede growth of tissues and will kill microbes and that the negative electrode will induce growth and repair of tissues.
Also, Dr. Clark is very explicit in stating that it is the positive signal that kills and that allowing the signal to drop below neutral will neutralize the effect of the zapper.
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If you take each section of the body that the current is flowing through, the same current will be found going through it as well as any other section. The same current that flows through the ankle section will also flow through the calf section, through the knee section, through the thigh section.
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I have revised my position concerning this, i think you are right in your view of how the current spread in the body, but i still think that a higher intensity will allow the current to go deeper in some materials which have more resistance.
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Possibly because it is roughly 1/2 the Schuman resonance frequency of 7.83 Hz. Don Croft's Terminator uses 15 Hz which is about double this frequency.
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That does not explain much...
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No, whatever charge that enters through one electrode, leaves through the other.
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I'm not sure but it would be difficult to know.
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In his book "Body Electric", Dr. Robert O. Becker, M.D. explains that the positive current will impede growth of tissues and will kill microbes and that the negative electrode will induce growth and repair of tissues.
Also, Dr. Clark is very explicit in stating that it is the positive signal that kills and that allowing the signal to drop below neutral will neutralize the effect of the zapper.
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I have read some parts of the Body Electric and i have not found a practical use of his experiments.
The improved healing and limb regrowth may be explained by an improved circulation and by a blood clean from harmfull organisms and not only by the sending of an electric signal...
Concerning Hulda Clark , she explained a lot of interesting concepts and experiments (and i really thank her for that) but she also contradicts herself in some parts of her books regarding electrisation. What to think ?
>- i still think that a higher intensity will allow the current to go deeper in some materials which have more resistance.
All of this is governed by Ohm's law, until the law is overturned. This is extended into basic network theory where each tissue is considered as a part of the overall circuit and can become very complex.
>->- Possibly because it is roughly 1/2 the Schuman
>- That does not explain much...
I mispelled schumann, you can look it up for full details. Bassically, 3.9 Hz was rounded up to 4 Hz somewhere along the path. In reality, the output for most units is anywhere from 3.6 Hz to 4.4 Hz due to variations in the components used. Note also that since it is a square wave, only the odd harmonics are produced, 3.9, 11.7, 19.5, etc.
>->- No, whatever charge that enters through one electrode, leaves through the other.
>- I'm not sure but it would be difficult to know.
Ohm's law again.
>- I have read some parts of the Body Electric and i have not found a practical use of his experiments.
Yeouch! How about chemical free, injurt free anesthesia?
>- The improved healing and limb regrowth may be explained by an improved circulation and by a blood clean from harmfull organisms and not only by the sending of an electric signal...
Actually not, the electrode setup that he used is effective over a limited area, about the size of a dime and does not require a battery, only a bimetallic thermocouple junction.
>- she also contradicts herself in some parts of her books regarding electrisation
We all learn ( hopefully ) as our work progresses. Naturally, our newer publications would show some differences.
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>->- Possibly because it is roughly 1/2 the Schuman
>- That does not explain much...
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This was not directed to your comment Parazapper, what i meant was that the fact a device uses half the "Schuman frequency" or twice does not mean anything if no effects are measured or felt.
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>->- No, whatever charge that enters through one electrode, leaves through the other.
>- I'm not sure but it would be difficult to know.
Ohm's law again.
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Tell this to the free electrons...
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only a bimetallic thermocouple junction.
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You lost me here :)
What are you up to ? A new zapper ? Have you experimented a little with orgone energy ?
>- the fact a device uses half the "Schuman frequency" or twice does not mean anything if no effects are measured or felt.
Certainly, but one of the reasons that certain frequencies are selected is due to expected effects. It is hypothesized that the earth has a resonant frequency ( Schumann ) and that we are normally bathed in it. The introduction of man-made spectra is believed by some to interfere with this and it is believed that using either harmonics or sub-harmonics of this frequency can improve our well being. I suggest that some reading on Schumann will be helpful in understanding some things related to frequency.
I have heard a lot about these and other free radicals but I am still waiting to see their emancipation papers. Otherwise, they will soon be captured and bonded again :^)
>- bimetallic thermocouple junction
When 2 differing metals are bonded together and heat is applied, the result will be the generation of free electrons and 'holes' ( positively charged electron receptors ) which will produce a small voltage offset between the two metals which can cause a small current.
Actually, this was put to practical use by the Soviets during the cold war. They provided African villages with small transistor radios that were attached to a bimetal plate which was thrown into the campfire at night. Enough electricity was generated to run the radios that were tuned to a specific channel ( essentially "Radio Free Russia ").
>- A new zapper ? Have you experimented a little with orgone energy ?
Working on a couple of new zappers when I have time. We are still struggling to recover from last January's tornado. The rebuilding should be done in another 6 to 8 weeks.
I have delved into orgone a little but have not found the magic that I am seeking yet.
No, it is actually bipolar, which is sort of the same in some respects.
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I sooooooo want to jump in here, but I don't have to. That wasn't a tornado that hit your house, it was Hulda Clark rising up from the dead to smite thee. Fortunately for you it was Clark, and she missed the mark.
With 2 handles + 2 footpads put in wet cotton cloths with water + salt, my body has a resistance of 1.5kOhms to 5kOhms depending on the length of time of the session, the wetness of my skin, the contact surface. The more the skin is wet, the less resistance it has... With this resistance and the ultimate zapper (similar output to the zapper of Parazapper), there is 1mA to 5mA of current flowing, depending on the parameters described previously.
Of course we may have a different body resistance, but you should try to use wet cotton cloths with more water + salt, cotton cloth is more resistant than tissue and you can use more water and thus increase the conductivity without having the annoying pricks sensations or the mark of the metal on your hands.
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Beck says in his video lectures that only 50 to 100 uA are needed to kill ALL fungus, bacteria, viruses, (not sure if he said parasites, but I think he does)
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Yes in the blood... But some parasites are able to live in others parts of the body where there is less (or no) blood flow.
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But the point is, what do you design for? Why did beck choose 30v? Why did he choose 4 hz?
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I have found that 36VDC is a high enough voltage if used with 2 handles and 2 footpads with wet cotton clothes.
Why ? Because it has been reported (in my country) that the human body can take up to 25mA without having any dangerous side effects (i mean no influence over the heart beat, the breath, the nervous system)
With around 36VDC with 2 handles and 2 footpads with wet cotton cloths, i can take up to 17-23mA.
About the frequency i am not sure yet, but i don't like 4Hz or 15Hz because with a 36VDC votage it is painfull for the human tissues. I want to use a higher frequency in the Khz range.
I'm not sure yet which one produces the more die off but tests are in progress.
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The people at Sota didn't really answer me on that.
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They sell nice looking devices to ignorant people, they don't need to understand anything to sell their stuff, suc***s will buy.
Because i once was a suc***, i have their devices and they seem to be less powerfull (and not practical to use) compared to those made by Bob Beck. Do the test with a coin with the MP for example. Or the silver pulser, high priced at 250USD when you know you can achieve the same thing with 4x 9V batteries...
I prefer Hulda Clark and Bob Beck behaviors...
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However, do any of these result in any net gain or loss of electrons. I cannot see that they can do that, other than, in the case of dosing up on antioxidants from foods or supplements, the mechanically induced electron flow could possibly push free electrons into places/tissues that they otherwise would not have made it into which could potentially be a very good thing.
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This, and also the use of a frequency with a high enough intensity can probably shake the tissues and thus optimise the elimination of waste, of obstructions, of parasites. Also, have you ever seen a the human body behavior when electrocuted with 230V 60HZ ? Imagine what a high enough intensity + a frequency can do to a small organism like a parasite... I think there is no need to be a resonnance to cause damages to the organisms tissues or to their "life beats".
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As we know electron flow is from neg to pos batt terminals. We might know or recall that particularly on old car batteries it was the pos post that tends to have the most issue with corrosion (think "+ "is electron taker = oxidant, "-" is electron donor = antioxidant). So if you buy into this idea then you want to design something that avoid oxidative damage caused by the positive post of your battery system (corrosion=oxidative stress=pulling free electrons from the body).
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I use the negative polarity on the hands and the positive
polarity on the feet.
Parazapper advises the contrary and i don't understand why.
I have noticed the same thing as you, the positive electrode seems to produce/attract more deposits than the negative electrode, therefore i prefer to have deposits going in my sole rather than in my upper body.
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Is it pos offset square wave though?
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Bob beck blood purifier produces a kind of AC. The polarity changes.
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I imagined is "negative offset" square wave.
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If electrons flow from the negative polarity to the positive polarity, and if the current can't change polarity in DC, why do you think it is important ? I don't understand what you mean and i don't understand the importance of a "positive offset" when DC has only one polarity ? What do you mean ?
Parazapper explained to me the same thing but i don't understand what this means...
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Yeouch!! No!! The negative protects the parasites or other organisms that need to be eliminated. It is the positive that kills, negative grows.
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As already explained, the objective is to produce as much positive offset signal as is possible and as little negative as is possible.
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From what i understand, there can be a variation of the positive offset and of the negative offset only in AC, not in DC.
Even with an offset, the offset will just illustrate how the electrons behave, if they circulate from the negative polarity to the positive polarity or from the positive polarity to the negative polarity, this does not explain much...
Or maybe what you mean is that we must use more electrodes with a positive polarity in order to empty the body of free electrons ? In this case this is the same theory as grounding ?
Beck said that Clark Zappers "dont work". I would add that Hulda was a complete nut job that endangered the lives of many cancer patients. My advice is to completely ignore everything the woman ever said. She generated interest in electrotherapy but introduced so many wrong concepts.
Why 4Hz? I suspect Beck started experimenting with direct current because the lab studies of electric current against HIV was with direct current. They only proposed alternating current in the subsequent patent without having tried it. I also experimented with direct current blood electrification and after 3 months my blood was completely wrecked and I was so sick I really thought I was dying. DC is great for treating localized bacterial and viral infections (herpes etc) and even fungal infections but is horrible for blood electrification. Some people erroneously say that Beck chose 4Hz because it was a harmonic of the Schumann frequency. Not true. Harmonics less than the original frequency are at 1/3, 1/5, 1/7 (of the original frequency) and on and on with each smaller frequency having significantly smaller power. 4Hz is 1/2 the Schumann frequency and so is not a harmonic of it. I think Beck tried different frequencies and just settled on that one because he liked it (for effectiveness and minimal problems other than causing blood cells to be more absorptive of chemicals).
About current distribution- Without any proof I still have a theory. I believe the blood has more conductivity (than lymph, flesh, or bone) and so when you electrify from wrist to wrist or ankle to ankle the electric current eventually finds most of itself in the main blood arteries (in the groin area and the arteries between the shoulders) which is where it is concentrated enough to have maximum effects against microbes. Electric current, like the current of a stream or river, seeks the path of least resistance from point A to B. So if the blood in veins and arteries is more conductive (ie: offering less resistance to electric current flow) then current will tend to take that route instead of rougher going in lymph muscles tendons bones etc.
Actually, in his writings, Beck suggests 0.67 Hz to 3.9 Hz. Later the 3.9 Hz was just rounded to 4 Hz because the circuit was not that accurate anyhow.
>- Some people erroneously say that Beck chose 4Hz because it was a harmonic of the Schumann frequency.
Actually, 3.915 Hz is a subharmonic of the Schumann frequency ( 7.83 Hz), Which means that the Schumann frequency is the second harmonic ( approximately ) of the Beck Blood Electrifier. This frequency would therefore be completely absent from the signal.
A signal of 2.61 Hz would generate 7.83 Hz as the third harmonic.
>- Electric current, like the current of a stream or river, seeks the path of least resistance from point A to B. So if the blood in veins and arteries is more conductive (ie: offering less resistance to electric current flow) then current will tend to take that route instead of rougher going in lymph muscles tendons bones etc.
Actually, in his writings, Beck suggests 0.67 Hz to 3.9 Hz. Later the 3.9 Hz was just rounded to 4 Hz because the circuit was not that accurate anyhow.
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Actually, the circuit uses low cost electromechanical relays that, relative to electronic devices such as transistors, are *very* slow. 4 Hz probably was the practical limit of whatever he used in the prototype.
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the electric current eventually finds most of itself in the main blood arteries (in the groin area and the arteries between the shoulders) which is where it is concentrated enough to have maximum effects against microbes. Electric current, like the current of a stream or river, seeks the path of least resistance from point A to B. So if the blood in veins and arteries is more conductive (ie: offering less resistance to electric current flow) then current will tend to take that route instead of rougher going in lymph muscles tendons bones etc.
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I have the advantage (if we can call this an "advantage"...) to be infected in many parts of the body.
And when i electrise my body with a high enough intensity i can feel the worms contract their bodies and move to avoid the current (if i don't try to kill them with herbs or electricity, they don't move much...)
So even if i thought the same thing as you before, i have to modify my position now. With a higher intensity (between 15mA to 25mA) the current seems to reach parts which are not in the direct path of the main blood veins and arteries, like in the head for example.
PS : your zapper produces less die off and do not disturb the worms as much as the ultimate zapper (with the kind of roundworms i am infected with), but it seems it has a higher allowed intensity. That's strange, maybe it is because of AC ?
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