For two nights in a row my body has not rested well during sleep but felt panicky. Perhaps it is working on my not-so great nervous system at the moment, since I often got panic attacks at night.
I was surprised at my pulse rate reading as it felt like my heart had been labouring throughout the night and I expected a higher rate.
It was the turn of my gallbladder yesterday. Very painful. Applied some heat.
Kidneys are grumbling less.
Pain in limbs has eased somewhat for now.
Persistent itching around the ankle bone. No rash.
The extreme exhaustion and weakness continues unabated. The cause of much consternation among my family.
THE QUESTION OF WATER
How much is too much/too little? Since I have taken the minimum of water I have experienced faster detox and quicker passing of the symptoms as they arise. However, one day I find it easy, and the next day I crave water and have to restrain myself from gulping it down. Last night it felt as if my labouring heart was due to lack of water. This seems contrary to the tenants of dry fasting.
Sleep for many is always that elusive factor missed by many on a water-fast and which seems the days are so so long. Sleep is related to food intake for the most part, so the less you eat then the less you will sleep.
The heart can feel as if it is going through the roof sometimes as it did with my own on my first fast, but the second was plain sailing for the most part with a low pulse/heart-rate. Nothing to be concerned about.
Your other symptoms are quite normal.
You will feel weak and exhausted, but your family are not helping matters with their anxieties, which could spillover into your own thinking. I hope not.
Re' THE QUESTION OF WATER.
Dry fasting is no other than drinking according to genuine thirst, rather than a perceived need to drink X amount during the day. If you feel the urge to gulp it down, then you are not getting enough water on those days when you feel that urge.
In order of importance are air, water, and then food.
Try and do a little slow and rhythmic deep breathing everyday, but be careful not to overdo it.
I actually sleep on an off during the day, always having that sleepiness about me. It's quite bad this morning and I've just woken up from a snooze. Most nights I sleep quite well. When I don't, it's usually sans the anxiety.
No, I do not allow their anxiety to affect me. I send them short quotes from fasting sites to put their mind at ease and leave it at that. I tell them I need them ON my side right now. In fact, yesterday I felt very much at peace, although today the body is very anxious.
I do, in fact, do some deep breathing once a day. It takes quite a bit of strength, surprisingly, so it's not the whole hog.
I pee about 4 times a day, incl first thing and last thing. It's usually medium yellow, somewhat cloudy. Usually no smell to it, sometimes a little toxic.
Chrisb1, my BP has climbed steadily today and at the moment sits around 148/100. Do you think it's because I have allowed myself to dehydrate somewhat?
Was this BP reading of 148/100 taken in the resting state first thing after awakening in the morning?
Don't forget that BP readings can fluctuate widely throughout the day.
Dehydration can cause low BP due to decreased blood volume, leading to reduced pressure against artery walls, but it can also cause high BP as well, because the body will compensate by retaining sodium. (highly unlikely).
I would try and drink a little more water than usual, and after about one hour test your BP again. Please do not become anxious as this will also raise BP.
Do you have a coated tongue? and was this more heavily coated in the first 10 days or so.?
Are there any pink edges to the outside of your tongue with more heavy coating in the centre?
How is your breath as perceived by others both now and at any other time during the fast?
Ok so the BP is not an issue as it was taken during the day. I admit 3 times, as it kept om going up. I think my mother's constant "when are you getting mobile" could have something to do with that and I fear she'll be the cause of me ending my fast too early. I do try and explain the importance of this to me etc etc, but I guess I'm not getting through...
As for the water, I have had more today and I'm so bloated! I don't know if it that has bearing on the water or whether it's a coincidence.
My tongue has been coated since day 2 or 3. Quite heavily and evenly. I brush it with water, as I do with my teeth. Interestingly that you should ask about it now as today, for the first time, I have noticed it isn't quite as heavy as usual. In fact, as I play with my tongue right now, it feels quite soft, not bristly as it has been.
Just studied my tongue in the mirror. It does indeed seem to be showing signs of clearing on the edges and also the front tip. What does that mean?
As for fould breath, my husband says "not that I've noticed" and that goes for the duration of the fast. He has pecked me on the mouth several times. I've not noticed it myself, either, but when I have had my mouth closed for a while there is a distinct sour taste.
tg,
only take your BP first thing on arising in your true resting state, otherwise it is a false reading.
There is nothing worse than family or friends urging you to stop fasting, or providing an environment that is hostile to it; their intentions are what they believe to be in your own interests and safety, but this is of course based in ignorance and usually down to the brainwashing and non-acceptance by Medicine generally. Ironic that Mainstream Doctors swear on the "Hippocratic Oath" but act in total ignorance that Hippocrates practised/endorsed fasting widely amongst his patients.
Bloating is down to too much water and therefore a bearing on your BP: your body (and therefore your heart muscle) is working harder in expelling the excess. Drink only to genuine thirst.
Heavy coating of the tongue is quite normal in the early weeks, but when the tip and sides of your tongue begin to clear and become pink, then this is a sign that much of the detox has been done. The coating will continue to abate and eventually leave a perfectly clean pink tongue.
A foul breath can be quite common for those who have not fasted before and high levels of toxemia so your toxemic levels from the outset will not have been as high. Some people say that ketosis or fat burning will always produce a very bad foul-smelling breath, but this just simply isn't true when the levels of toxemia are not high or non-existent. I never have bad breath, even after 5 days or more of fasting.
The sour taste or bad taste in the mouth is typical and annoying for many, so brushing your mouth/teeth several times per day and rinsing with water will help ease the problem.
Your Mother must not be allowed to interfere or influence your mental state as this will be very counterproductive to your goals.
Thanks for that Chrisb1 and thanks for the encouragement.
Yet my earlier symptoms, up to day 12, have been so severe that I would have climbed the walls if I had had the strength to do so. I guess it's all very individual. I have fasted on juices several times and they must have had more value than I thought.
I have had about 50% more water today but I felt I needed it. Tomorrow I'll be back to the usual 500ml max.
An interesting note: am I the only one who finds that water tastes super-sweet, as if actually sweetened with sugar. That kicked in a few days ago.
The reason I see my BP after the AM measure is because the machine also measures pulse. I'll ignore BP from now on (after the first reading) and will not get obsessed with it. As for Mum, she's a persistent woman... I'll just laugh it off until my tongue goes pink.
Chrisb1, I understand that one's vital signs are indicative of how the body's coping with the fast. Above says I'm doing great. However:
This morning I awoke to an almost-back to normal tongue. ALSO, deep tissue and muscle pain (fibro) in both arms from shoulders to fingers, arthritic pain in my fingers; liver unhappy and gallbladder grumbling; the feeling of panic still in all my muscles, for the 2nd day; headache; a feeling of ice in my veins.
I cannot buy - in THIS case - that the detox / work of healing is over. Not in the light of my pre-fast quality of life: more down time than better days - ever day was a luck of the draw; being able to digest fewer and fewer types of food; weight climbing with no apparent reason; severe body pains; constant, chronic fatigue; GERD; frequent migraines - during March I had one week free of migraine. I'd think I'm waking up to a good day and half way through the day a feeling of fluishness would creep over me, my face would go puffy and I'd feel disoriented. This happened frequently. I'm sure once I've sent this msg a lot more will come to mind. That matters not. I'm trying to paint a picture here...
Here is my feeling about all of this when put together: I think my body is slowing/calling a halt to the fast for reasons only known to itself. Could it be lack of electrolytes / minerals?
This is what I've decided to do since I'm not ready to give up on fasting this far into my water fast - I'm going to switch to a juice fast for the remainder. I want to transition to juice by adding coconut water to my water fast today, tomorrow, etc. I guess that would mean leaving this forum then.
not that surprising that your symptoms of toxemia have returned.
Crises can develop at any time during a prolonged fast. I recall a crisis I had on day 20 (or thereabouts) of my first 25 day fast: chronic nausea/vomiting of bile and other effluent materials, accompanied by a "spitting crisis". Volumes of foul-smelling saliva that had to be spat out. The body will use each and every avenue at its disposal to expel toxins and at any stage of the fast.
Prior to this I had felt relatively well for about a week with no untoward symptoms of detox at all.
This therefore.........
"So, an almost-back to normal tongue with deep tissue and muscle pain (fibro) in both arms from shoulders to fingers, arthritic pain in your fingers; liver unhappy and gallbladder grumbling; the feeling of panic still in all my muscles, for the 2nd day; headache; a feeling of ice in your veins".
.........means that your body has discovered deeper and more profound issues of detox: it is at this point that to break a fast would be a crime against your body and Nature itself.
The body will work its detox methodology in its own inimitable and idiosyncratic way, so what we thought were the beginnings of the end of detox was a false alarm, and your body has dug ever deeper and more profoundly into ridding itself of the effluence at the heart of your health problems.
At this stage of your fast it would be nigh on impossible to be deficient in any nutrients, least of all electrolytes. I have never known or heard of a case in all of my years, where deficiency occurred before the 30 day mark, and even then this was a mild electrolyte deficiency, where that person lived from a virtually processed/junk food diet for decades beforehand.
Your body is most definitely not slowing/calling for a halt to your fast (quite the contrary) but its continuation.
It would be an awful shame to break your fast at this stage as a juice fast (although beneficial) or anything other than water, will only serve to prolong your health problems, and for much longer than would otherwise be the case.
I have witnessed so many cases of fasters who have terminated their fasts prematurely, that results have been very disappointing, and where ultimately some of them recovered only after they eventually resorted to the water-only fast for a sufficient length.
As Paul Bragg stated while fasting: "just grin and bear".
Thanks, Chrisb1, you're a mate. So, no juice fast. Grinning and bearing it..... Tongue is definitely coated over again. Round 2...
I'm not averse to doing another water fast in a while. Just to be 100% sure I got it all.
What is your opinion about doing oil pulling during a fast? I'm considering doing it as the bumps on my palate are persistent; in fact the roof of my mouth is quite numb.
As a natural hygiene purist, my first reaction to oil pulling on a water-only-fast would be most definitely not, but I have become open-minded enough over the years (hopefully) to examine all things.
In your case I would say yes, please go ahead with it, as you have so many health problems.
Some would say (including myself for many years) that by stimulating saliva you are therefore initiating the digestive process and breaking the fast, but in reality, unless anything is introduced into the stomach directly, this simply just isn't the case.
So yes, I would say go ahead with it, but it will take time.
Great, Chrisb1, will let you know how the OP goes for me. Could open another avenue of detox.
Been thinking that the extra water a couple of days ago precipitated the false sign that detox was coming to an end?
The most recent FM flare up continues. Extreme weakness continues. New today: burning when urinating; distinct taste of fish in my mouth - can't detect fishy breath, though; nasal drip - hope the pulling will help hasten that through; a painful foot:
I broke my foot 8.5 years ago and tore every ligament in that foot. It took 6 months before I could start using it again, mainly due to my RSD, which caused my body to reject the injured part and tried its best to rid itself of it instead of healing it. This was not my first round with RSD, but probably the scariest.
Lungs are hurting and I'm coughing. I want to say this is the body getting to the chronic bronchitis / mould etc, in my lungs (I also had a spot on my left lung a few years ago; I got rid of that with the RIFE machine my hubby built) but I think I have a spot of the cold my husband has currently. Which is funny, since I never get a cold whilst fasting.
No lifting of any recent symproms of the fast, but no new ones, either.
The anxiety was bad in the night. Slept badly as a result. Awoke a couple of hours after going to sleep with heart racing and my whole core in a tight spasm. This continued off and on during the night.
Feeling extremely hungry. Cannot say it's true hunger; feels like the usual kimd to me. When I have had hunger pains on this fast a sip of water usually sufficed. Not this time.
tussockgal,
fasting can be an extremely trying ordeal, and there will be times, sometimes for days on end, when mental endurance seems to be the name of the game.
On my first prolonged fast it was absolute agony, accompanied by much total suffering, that I thought I was going to die: racing heartbeat; mental confusion; extreme weakness; nausea and vomiting of bile, and other effluence; a saliva spitting crisis, that with all of this I thought I must be mad or have lost my mind to continue. But through it all, I knew this was my only chance of overcoming my disease and the hope of life.
Day 21 to 25 my heartbeat steadied and became smooth and "clean" and the symptoms of detox subsided considerably, but by day 25 I had had enough and my mental resolve to continue had evaporated, and I broke the fast on orange juice.
The following week and thereafter was a euphoric and almost ecstatic experience, both physically and mentally, but severe disappointment and anguish that I had given up.
I refeeded for over a month, and then underwent another fast of 30 days, and expected the same, but to my surprise, was the most beautiful and rewarding experience I had ever had in my life: no detox symptoms; strength renewed for the most part, and a mental euphoria and elation that I never knew existed or could exist. Words fail me to explain this experience, but I recounted the comment by Upton Sinclair after his own fasting endeavours over and over to myself: "I have discovered a state of superhealth unknown to humans".
Persevere my friend and your rewards lay in the weeks to come.
Thank you SO much for that. It's EXACTLY what I needed to hear from you now. I started this fast by stating that it was my last stand against disease and an awful quality of life. I will use this time wisely between now and the next fast, and your experience will be both my example and my goal.
Despite all vitals being great, my body's trying to tell me something with the anxiety and the painful hunger. At 4PM today I ate 1/2 orange and will eat the other half at 6PM.
I will take 2-3 weeks to break the fast. In the past I've been good at breaking fasts, and I've been awful at breaking fasts, and I am determined to get that right, at least. I don't want to feel like a failure for not getting to 30/40 days on a water fast, but I am disappointed. It just seemed like "while we're here, let's get the job done, once and for all." The cold is setting in here and I will wait for Spring to resume fasting. I believe that I can accomplish quite a lot of good through going back to the practice of NH.
Oil pulling: I put if off till this morning as I've been slightly nauseous throughout and didn't know how my body would react to that oily feeling in the mouth. I had no problem. About 6 hours after my OP about half the bumps on the roof of my mouth started feeling pointy. I can only assume it's because something is actually making its way out of those bumps. Will continue with the practice, particularly since I am breaking the fast. Every little bit will help.
Chrisb1.... thank you, thank you, thank you. Your patience, input, education of and genuine concern for the people on this forum are astonishing. You're a legend. Sure to bump into each other again around CZ.
Well done on your successful fast! In no way have you failed at anything. As Chrisb1 has said on many occasions, take a fast one day at a time and let your body tell you when to stop.
Your perseverance has been remarkable and you will undoubtably continue to gain over the coming weeks and months.
Thank you so much for those encouraging words. I will continue to build on this fast as a foundation, not just for the next fast, but for overall results. Messages like this make me feel up to the task. Thanks again.
17 days is quite an accomplishment, and I reiterate what NH has said, so well done.
The vital thing now is how you refeed and with what, so be careful only to do so with fresh and preferably organic produce, and build up your nutrition slowly: respond only to appetite and take at least the next 17 days in recuperating.
I would strongly recommend you supplement with organic sulfur crystals/flakes, after one week of refeeding, building up to two dessert-spoonfuls twice a day in juice on an empty stomach. Make sure it is thoroughly dissolved................... http://www.naturalnews.com/029263_sulfur_joint_health.html
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