I have tried to avoid getting into any debates or discussions with Hv for some time now, though occasionally I let a barb slip out which I probably should have refrained from making and occasionally, despite what should have been better judgment, I find myself responding to one of the barbs aimed in my direction.
Some people may enjoy the drama that ensues when the two of us lock horns but in the end - regardless of who is more right or less wrong - we both lose I think. I don't think it serves the best interests of CZ and I think both of us could make better use of our time. Books to write (I'm working on 4 at the moment), helpful posts to make, articles to write, etc. And fun to have. So I am going put down my trusty lance, give Rocinante a rest and take a pass and go have myself and Luella a fun holiday weekend and hope that you and the rest of CZ do the same. And yeah, that includes you too, Hv - go have some fun!
Who knows, I might end up with some more "hillbilly highlights" videos and/or photos to share next week.
Gunbarrel Texas - you gotta love that name! I am very familiar with that town, too. Used to be a NAPA auto parts rep and one of our stores was located there. Probably still is. Just got back from the family land for the night - lots of fajitas got grilled. Tomorrow we bring out the briskets. Marinated overnight and been cooking for over a day now.
Now, off to the TV to see the season finales of Game of Thrones and The Borgias - and then to bed. Zzzzzzzzz.
I have tried to avoid getting into any debates or discussions with Hv for some time now, though occasionally I let a barb slip out which I probably should have refrained from making and occasionally, despite what should have been better judgment, I find myself responding to one of the barbs aimed in my direction.
There DQ goes again trying to shift the blame. I was responding to DQ's subtle insult that he once again started with. And once again he is trying to turn it around by making it sound like I started it with his comment about barbs aimed in his direction. You need to start taking responsibility for your own actions DQ instead of always blaming other people for your actions as I have not only seen you do to me multiple times but to other people as well.
I honestly think there is something mentally damaged that makes you come back for more abuse. I dont know what you expect to accomplish but there is something mentally screw loose.
What is amazing to see is how many people here who advise health information to other people and then turn around and engage in this insane stupid mentally ill behavior.
But have to admit you take the cake Hver. With several others close behind in the loose screw category. I make no advice to people. Am just here to poke the bear. I offer nothing. You dont get it Hver do you?
I honestly think there is something mentally damaged that makes you come back for more abuse. I dont know what you expect to accomplish but there is something mentally screw loose.
What is amazing to see is how many people here who advise health information to other people and then turn around and engage in this insane stupid mentally ill behavior.
But have to admit you take the cake Hver. With several others close behind in the loose screw category. I make no advice to people. Am just here to poke the bear. I offer nothing. You dont get it Hver do you?
It is hilarious how threatened the trolls are by me. This is clearly evidenced by how hard they have been trying to run me off of this and other forums and Curezone itself. They have repeatedly lied about, attacked me, ganged up on me, had their moderator friends ban me from forums, etc. And the more they fail they harder they try.
Notice that they don't post on health issues, but rather post attack threads instead. Why? Because they feel threatened by the fact that I am exposing the bogus therapies they believe in with real evidence. And since it is real evidence they cannot counter with their bogus evidence as that gets exposed to. So the only thing they have left to come back with is the constant barrage of personal attacks. Just look at the posting history of those attacking me to see the evidence of this. These people clearly are not here to help others as all they post are personal attacks.
Not that I'm a big fan of Hv or anything, but I've been following this thread and Hv does not appear to be the worst TOS offender.
Anyone who speaks out against things like iodine and colloidal silver is persona non grata in "the group", IMO. I see it as sort of like the cliques of "popular" people in high school.
Not that the members of the clique are bad people, I'm sure they're good people and some of them truly believe that iodine etc. is wonderful ... But they can be ruthless in ganging up on anyone who disagrees, I've seen it happen many times. Usually they post videos or pictures or insults when they are losing the argument.
Just my opinion, maybe these folks don't realize that this is how it appears to "outsiders" like me.
can you please ban herty gerty and return to peaceful discussion here?
ROTFLMAO!!! What did I just get saying about the personal attacks and trying to get the moderators to ban me because the trolls are threatened by me? You just proved my point yet once again!
If you really want peaceful discussion though then why don't you stop with the constant name calling and other personal attacks, which is not even discussion in the first place?
If you want to discuss health issues then start discussing health.
I should get banned because I contribute nothing of value but am here because among other things it is fun to poke at you.
So I know why I should get banned. Do you? I think others saying you should get banned because you are a m*o*o*n. You really don't get how you come off do you? Do you have Aspergers? Are you socially inept? Do you miss the big picture often?
Here is a big hint Hver. I am poking fun at you right now. Right now. Hint hint. I am poking fun at you right now. Everyone sees it. Do you? It is all a big joke.
If you come back and try to make some serious reply even after I told you what I am doing you are an even bigger dolt than I thought.
I dont think you will be able to help yourself. Please come back and say something serious and prove me right.
Threatened? I am a troll and the last thing considered is threatened.
I have another reason for watching this forum but while here is become easy to poke fun sometimes. You make it so easy to poke.
Could care less about what ever health tips you have to offer. I have no idea if you are qualified or not. None idea. Speaking of which why arent you in your own forum doing that instead of wasting time here?
But threatened? I got a good laugh from that so I see you can have a sense of humor. I just found it easy to poke at you because you make it really easy. I guess my idea of a good time.
Now say something serious to show you dont get the ribbing.
1) First of all - is there any difference between ppm and mg/l? Is 10mg/l the same as 10 ppm?
Both are measurements of concentration, but there is a big difference in the amounts. And no, 10mg/l is not the same as 10ppm. 10mg/l refers to 10 milligrams of a substance in a liter of solution. For example, you can take 10 milligrams of sugar and add it a liter of water for this concentration. 10ppm refers to 10 parts per million, which is an ultra trace amount. For example, a drop of iodine in one million drops of water.
As for the rest I am not going to get too much in to it. There is so much controversy over what is really the best colloidal silver based on color, lack of color, particle size etc. Originally it was stated that a golden color was the best and other colors were the result of too large of particles. And at least one company who claimed to have a colloidal silver was adding gelatin to their solution. There was controversy over this as well since it was claimed the silver could pull the gelatin in to the bloodstream triggering allergic reactions. And if the product really was a true colloid then the gelatin stabilizer would not even be required as by definition a colloid would remain in solution without a stabilizer.
Then they came out with the clear solutions claiming these were superior due to the smaller particle size. I tried a little experiment with some of this one time though and found that there were apparently only traces of silver in the product I tested, which can also expalin why the solution was clear.
The funniest thing I ever heard though was I was talking to someone who was trying to sell me on a new clear colloidal silver solution in which the manufacturer was claiming to have silver particles half the size of a silver atom. Of course this is impossible, so it was just of the usual sales hype.
This is one of the reasons that I rarely even deal with colloidal silver. The last time I used it was around 18 years ago, and I had made my own solution since I have basically no trust of commercial collidal silver products:
" a colloid would remain in solution without a stabilizer"
"18 years ago, and I had made my own solution since I have"
Hey Bozo, colloids are not solutions. If you made a solution, you didn't make a colloid. Colloids exist as suspensions and are called colloidal suspensions by those knowledgeable in the art, which differ from solutions. Since you made a solution, it is clear that you know nothing about what the hecfk you've spent all that time blabbing about.
" a colloid would remain in solution without a stabilizer"
"18 years ago, and I had made my own solution since I have"
Hey Bozo, colloids are not solutions. If you made a solution, you didn't make a colloid. Colloids exist as suspensions and are called colloidal suspensions by those knowledgeable in the art, which differ from solutions. Since you made a solution, it is clear that you know nothing about what the fk you've spent all that time blabbing about.
I realize you really get off acting like a complete a** as well as attacking people every chance you get or trying to pit people against each other. Same reason you attacked me earlier while totally ignoring DQ's subtle insult of me. No wonder you keep getting banned from CZ then coming back under new names. What was your last name before you got banned from CZ? Vulcanel I believe it was? And what was it before that? Apparently some people never learn to behave.
Anyway, why don't you write to the researchers of these studies and bitch at them. Should be pretty funny considering how much more intelligent they are compared to you:
reply to herty gerty raving...
I do not agree that reastablishing intestinal flora can heal candida. Maybe it can heal only intenstinal candidasis, but not systematic.
I hate repeating this all the time, but the word "systemic" gets way overused. Candida almost never goes systemic, and if it did you would be in a hospital fighting for your life.
THEN STOP REPEATING YOURSELF. JUST BECAUSE YOU REPEAT YOURSELF OVER AND OVER DOESN'T MEAN YOU ARE CORRECT. ALL IT MEANS IS THAT YOU AREN'T COMING UP WITH ANY NEW INFORMATION. CANDIDA IS OFTEN SYSTEMIC. I DON'T LIKE REPEATING MYSELF EITHER. YOU ARE WRONG, CANDIDA IS OFTEN SYSTEMIC, HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF A VAGINAL YEAST INFECTION, FUNGAL EAR INFECTION, FUNGAL SKIN INFECTIONS? DO THEY EXIST IN A VACUUM WITH BO RELATION TO A PERSON'S GUT? YOU ARE A m*o*o*n.
I have tooken months of probiotics with jersulem artichoce with big improvements in my intestinal health, but my candida is on the same level. I can not eat even fruits.
I would not trust most probiotic supplements because of questions of viability. That is why I specifically stated cultured foods. And people have done this for their candidiasis and are doing better. So it can be done. As stated before, Candida is normally kept in check by the flora. Why do antibiotics cause candidiasis? Simple, because they kill the acid forming Lactobacillus and Bifidus bacteria that keep the Candida in check.
On the other hand, lots of people claim that they also did not succeed to heal their candida by probiotics.
And again, I have seen a number of people who did heal their candidiasis. They were using cultured foods though and not probiotic supplements of questionable value.
SOME PEOPLE TAKE CULTURED FOODS FOR YEARS AND DO NOT HEAL. CULTURED FOODS ARE GOOD. BUT YOU ARE STILL A m*o*o*n FOR NOT RESPECTING PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HEAL. JUST BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HEAL ACCORDING TO YOUR SIMPLETON INFORMATION DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY DID SOMETHING WRONG, IT MEANS YOU ARE WRONG. YOU NEED TO STOP REPEATING YOURSELF.
About CS - I have heard lots of cases for permanent elimintation of candida with it. But this is not the only reason I believe it. I trust it.
And CS can also kill the flora. Which brings up another point. People often try various remedies at once. For example, using probiotics with things like CS, oregano oil, grapefruit seed extract, etc. that kill the flora they should be trying to build. Then they wonder why they never get anywhere. That is like taking herbs for lung cancer while they continue to smoke.
I have tried caprilyc acid, oregano oil,
Again, kills the flora and thus is counterproductive.
olive leaf extract, grapefruit seed extract,
GSE is not even natural. And it also kills the flora.
garlic,
Garlic is really overrated.
uva, etc...
By "uva" i assume you mean uva ursi. If so this is really more for the urinary tract. The active aglycones do nothing for the body until they reach the kidneys. There the glucose is split off releasing the antiseptic hydroquinones. This is how it kills pathogens in the urinary tract without harming the flora. There are tannins in the uva ursi that will kill yeast in direct contact, but that is if they are not altered by reacting with foods or other herbs before reaching the colon, which is not very likely.
- all of these is nothing but a FUNNY try against candia. It is like to try to heal cancer by Vitamin C.
Vitamin C as the synthetic ascorbic acid does very little for cancer. I already did a chapter on that therapy as well in the book I am writing on cancer
LINUS PAULING KNEW NOTHING ABOUT VITAMIN C AND CANCER -- OH WAIT HE WAS A NOBEL LAUREATE AND YOU ARE AN INTERNET SCHMUCK WHO REPEATES HIMSELF.
All of these may have some die off the first days and afer that a compalete zero. No progress in my state. No more foods to add in my diet.
Last summer, I took CS only for 2 weeks, and on the second week I WAS ABLE TO EAT SUGAR and not to get any symptoms for 2 more days.
A lot of things can knock back the Candida. This is not a cure for candidiasis though. If you stop taking the CS the Candida is simply going to rebound if the pH of the terrain remains too alkaline from a lack of flora.
Its like if you had a bacterial infection making you feel like crap. So you take antibiotics for a few days. You will knock the bacteria back making you feel better. But if there is still the bacteria present and you stop the antibiotics the bacteria will rebound.
I have tried using CS lots of time and it is thwe only one which is not going resistant. Every time it is same strongess. But Because on the end of these 2 weeks I went to a doctor who told me to take only 2 tablespoons 10mg/l of CS, all that slowed down. Also I ate tuna like crazy. Now 9 months later I am same level or worse. But I not more listen to doctors.
I have a plan and I am sure in my success.
1) Chelate mercury
2) Heal leaky gut
3) Kill candida with CS
4) Reestablish flora with kefir.
So you want to reestablish the flora, which is great. But again the CS will kill the flora if you use it anytime after the kefir.
And you need to reestablish the flora to heal the leaky gut.
I think the whole mercury issue is also way over hyped but I will stay out of that for the moment since I am getting ready to go to sleep here shortly and I don't plan to spend another hour explaining the internet myths about amalgams, which most people claim is the source of what they think is their mercury poisoning.
YES MERCURY IS TOTALLY BENIGN. IT STAYS COMPLETELY BOUND TO THE SILVER IN AMALGAMS FOR THE DURATION OF THE FILLING. NOT!
WHAT COMPLETE IDIOCY YOU ARE PERPETUATING. TONS OF PEOPLE GET SPONTANEOUSLY CURED AS SOON AS THEIR FILLINGS COME OUT. SOME DON'T, THEN THEY CHELATE AND THEIR CANDIDA GOES AWAY. YOU AREN'T THE ONLY ONE WHO HATES REPEATING HIMSELF. YOU ARE THE PERPETRATOR OF INTERNET MYTHS SUCH AS MERCURY IS NOT A PROBLEM OR IS 'OVERBLOWN'.
One more thing about trying to reestablish my flora now - I can not take kefir and yogurt now because of the milk.
There is water kefir, coconut kefir, soy kefir,........ There are also cultured vegetables or other cultured foods such as tempeh, miso, etc.
I need to kill candida fist. And probiotics are not strong enough to do the job. I even can not reestablish the flora now.
Whatever. I am not going to keep repeating myself over this.
THEN DON'T. NO ONE REALLY WANTS TO HEAR YOU AT ALL, LET ALONE REPEATING YOUR SAME SORRY NONSENSE THAT NOT ONLY DOESN'T HELP BUT AGITATES SICK PEOPLE.
Even now, I am trying to get some CS and it is working. But I read there is no point in it untill I got my leaky gut resolved.
And again, the only way to treat the base cause of the leaky gut is to reestablish the flora since it the lack of flora that leads to the leaky gut. Again, I am tired. If you run a search on "leaky gut" on my forum you will find more information on this condition:
WHY DON'T YOU STAY ON YOUR OWN FORUM INSTEAD OF INSTIGATING AND DRUMMING UP BUSINESS FOR YOUR HERB COMPANY ON TRAPPER'S FORUM? STOP TROLLING!!!
I hate repeating this all the time, but the word "systemic" gets way overused. Candida almost never goes systemic, and if it did you would be in a hospital fighting for your life. THEN STOP REPEATING YOURSELF. JUST BECAUSE YOU REPEAT YOURSELF OVER AND OVER DOESN'T MEAN YOU ARE CORRECT.
It does not mean I am wrong either. Instead of wasting so much time with repeatedly attacking me with your lies and misrepresentations why don't you take that time and try to provide some actual evidence that I am wrong? Oh, that's right you don't have any evidence to the contrary. That is why you keep responding with the personal attacks instead. Typical troll tactic.
CANDIDA IS OFTEN SYSTEMIC. I DON'T LIKE REPEATING MYSELF EITHER. YOU ARE WRONG, CANDIDA IS OFTEN SYSTEMIC, HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF A VAGINAL YEAST INFECTION, FUNGAL EAR INFECTION, FUNGAL SKIN INFECTIONS?
ROTFLMAO!!! That is not what systemic means, nor are those systemic infections on their own. Get a life then get a dictionary!!!
SOME PEOPLE TAKE CULTURED FOODS FOR YEARS AND DO NOT HEAL.
And I explained why that may be. I am sorry that it went way over your head. I thought that I wrote it in simple enough language that even a 5th grader would understand.
Still, there are many people who have healed themselves using this principle because they were not also adding counterproductive things.
About CS - I have heard lots of cases for permanent elimintation of candida with it.
Hmmm.... Hearsay being presented by a proven liar who would say anything to try and discredit me. Sorry, I don't buy this story of your's either.
LINUS PAULING KNEW NOTHING ABOUT VITAMIN C AND CANCER -- OH WAIT HE WAS A NOBEL LAUREATE
And Warburg also received the Nobel Prize, but his hypothesis was later proven wrong. More importantly though is if you understood the chemistry of ascorbic acid then you would know why I said that. In fact with a little research I am sure you can find my writings on why easily.
Funny thing is that other people have claimed that cancer can be caused by pro-oxidants, which ascorbic acid is in high amounts, and oxalic acid, which excess ascorbic acid breaks down in to. So who is right? Pauling, or all the other researchers saying something else?
YES MERCURY IS TOTALLY BENIGN. IT STAYS COMPLETELY BOUND TO THE SILVER IN AMALGAMS FOR THE DURATION OF THE FILLING. NOT!
ROTFLMAO!!! You got your panties all tied up in a bunch again over something I never claimed. Again, I have written about the mercury issue a number of times. Maybe if you tried actually doing a little research before going on the attack you would not look like such a fool!!!
WHY DON'T YOU STAY ON YOUR OWN FORUM INSTEAD OF INSTIGATING AND DRUMMING UP BUSINESS FOR YOUR HERB COMPANY ON TRAPPER'S FORUM?
You really are an idiot!!! I have not mentioned my company here. But you are doing a better job of advertising it than I am. Keep up the good work! Maybe I will put you on the payroll one of these days for all your hard work advertising me.
I do not agree that reastablishing intestinal flora can heal candida. Maybe it can heal only intenstinal candidasis, but not systematic.
I hate repeating this all the time, but the word "systemic" gets way overused. Candida almost never goes systemic, and if it did you would be in a hospital fighting for your life.
I have tooken months of probiotics with jersulem artichoce with big improvements in my intestinal health, but my candida is on the same level. I can not eat even fruits.
I would not trust most probiotic supplements because of questions of viability. That is why I specifically stated cultured foods. And people have done this for their candidiasis and are doing better. So it can be done.As stated before, Candida is normally kept in check by the flora. Why do antibiotics cause candidiasis? Simple, because they kill the acid forming Lactobacillus and Bifidus bacteria that keep the Candida in check.
On the other hand, lots of people claim that they also did not succeed to heal their candida by probiotics.
And again, I have seen a number of people who did heal their candidiasis. They were using cultured foods though and not probiotic supplements of questionable value.
About CS - I have heard lots of cases for permanent elimintation of candida with it. But this is not the only reason I believe it. I trust it.
And CS can also kill the flora.Which brings up another point. People often try various remedies at once. For example, using probiotics with things like CS, oregano oil, grapefruit seed extract, etc. that kill the flora they should be trying to build. Then they wonder why they never get anywhere. That is like taking herbs for lung cancer while they continue to smoke.
I have tried caprilyc acid, oregano oil,
Again, kills the flora and thus is counterproductive.
olive leaf extract, grapefruit seed extract,
GSE is not even natural. And it also kills the flora.
garlic,
Garlic is really overrated.
uva, etc...
By "uva" i assume you mean uva ursi. If so this is really more for the urinary tract. The active aglycones do nothing for the body until they reach the kidneys. There the glucose is split off releasing the antiseptic hydroquinones. This is how it kills pathogens in the urinary tract without harming the flora. There are tannins in the uva ursi that will kill yeast in direct contact, but that is if they are not altered by reacting with foods or other herbs before reaching the colon, which is not very likely.
- all of these is nothing but a FUNNY try against candia. It is like to try to heal cancer by Vitamin C.
Vitamin C as the synthetic ascorbic acid does very little for cancer. I already did a chapter on that therapy as well in the book I am writing on cancer.
All of these may have some die off the first days and afer that a compalete zero. No progress in my state. No more foods to add in my diet.
Last summer, I took CS only for 2 weeks, and on the second week I WAS ABLE TO EAT SUGAR and not to get any symptoms for 2 more days.
A lot of things can knock back the Candida. This is not a cure for candidiasis though. If you stop taking the CS the Candida is simply going to rebound if the pH of the terrain remains too alkaline from a lack of flora.
Its like if you had a bacterial infection making you feel like crap. So you take antibiotics for a few days. You will knock the bacteria back making you feel better. But if there is still the bacteria present and you stop the antibiotics the bacteria will rebound.
I have tried using CS lots of time and it is thwe only one which is not going resistant. Every time it is same strongess. But Because on the end of these 2 weeks I went to a doctor who told me to take only 2 tablespoons 10mg/l of CS, all that slowed down. Also I ate tuna like crazy. Now 9 months later I am same level or worse. But I not more listen to doctors.
I have a plan and I am sure in my success.
1) Chelate mercury
2) Heal leaky gut
3) Kill candida with CS
4) Reestablish flora with kefir.
So you want to reestablish the flora, which is great. But again the CS will kill the flora if you use it anytime after the kefir.
And you need to reestablish the flora to heal the leaky gut.
I think the whole mercury issue is also way over hyped but I will stay out of that for the moment since I am getting ready to go to sleep here shortly and I don't plan to spend another hour explaining the internet myths about amalgams, which most people claim is the source of what they think is their mercury poisoning.
One more thing about trying to reestablish my flora now - I can not take kefir and yogurt now because of the milk.
There is water kefir, coconut kefir, soy kefir,........There are also cultured vegetables or other cultured foods such as tempeh, miso, etc.
I need to kill candida fist. And probiotics are not strong enough to do the job. I even can not reestablish the flora now.
Whatever. I am not going to keep repeating myself over this.
Even now, I am trying to get some CS and it is working. But I read there is no point in it untill I got my leaky gut resolved.
And again, the only way to treat the base cause of the leaky gut is to reestablish the flora since it the lack of flora that leads to the leaky gut. Again, I am tired. If you run a search on "leaky gut" on my forum you will find more information on this condition:
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