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  • People don't die from breast or prastate cancer any more..... by  #136970  11 mon  1,209  News / Cancer Sup

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/03/chris-collins-cancer_n_1647196.html

    Chris Collins: 'People Now Don't Die From Prostate Cancer, Breast Cancer'

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    GOP congressional candidate Chris Collins knows health care is expensive these days, but he argues it's for good reason: People are no longer dying from deadly forms of cancer.

    "People now don't die from prostate cancer, breast cancer and some of the other things," he told The Batavian in an interview that was flagged Tuesday by City & State NY. Collins was discussing his desire to repeal Obamacare.

    "The fact of the matter is, our healthcare today is so much better, we're living so much longer, because of innovations in drug development, surgical procedures, stents, implantable cardiac defibrillators, neural stimulators -- they didn't exist 10 years ago," he continued. "The increase in cost is not because doctors are making a lot more money. It's what you can get for healthcare, extending your life and curing diseases."

    In fact, a lot of people do die from breast cancer and prostate cancer, despite advances in treatment. An estimated 577,190 people in the United States will die from cancer this year, including about 39,920 deaths from breast cancer and 28,170 from prostate cancer, according to the American Cancer Society.

    The organization also points out that uninsured people are less likely to detect cancer in its early stages, making it far more expensive to treat.

    Collins is challenging Rep. Kathy Hochul (D-N.Y.), who was chosen in a special election in May 2011.

    Hochul said Monday that she knows the president's signature health care law is imperfect, but Congress needs to address other issues.

    "There's a lot of uncertainty about this, but it is now the law of the land and they understand that," she said at a town hall in Victor, N.Y., according to local NBC affiliate WHEC.com. "And we don't want to take this country backward and re-litigate and re-fight over this. We've got a lot of other issues to deal with. We've got an economy that has to get back on track."

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    • THE TRUTH that any decent human would be telling about cancer is.... by  Karlin  11 mon  981
      OMG, another "never mind the FACTS, lets just talk" GOP candidate in Chris Collins.

      Perhaps he got part of his yap from the Cancer Society people, who claim that FEWER people die from cancer now... but that is another lie too: They changed the definition of "dying" to mean "surviving for 5 years after diagnosis", and therefore fewer people "die" from cancers.

      What is the hard truth? Of course it is that more people are dying of cancer than ever before, and that a greater percentage of the population is GETTING cancer than ever before.

      Wait... one more trick - they will claim that "ya but, ya but, we are an AGING population so that would be expected".

      Okay, I will settle for that because at least it acknowledges the fact that MORE PEOPLE ARE GETTING CANCER than ever before, and they are dying WITH cancers, although sometimes they are old enough to die of something else before the cancer kills them.

      Had enough truth?

      no? thank you, one more reality bite:

      We will ALL get cancer if we live long enough, and that was NEVER true before we became a chemical/nuclear world, in millions of years of human history there has NEVER been a scourge of cancer like there is today... THAT is the plain fact any decent human being would be telling about cancer. Listening, listening.... nope, not one politician is saying it!! [no decent humans amongst them]

      My Personal Plan for My Cancer Death:
      Diagnosis and treatments only help empower the corrupted system - when I get cancer, I am going to let it kill me as it will, no treatment.... because treatments are about taking your last dollars before you die so your kids cannot have it, it goes to the corrupt system, and besides, cancer ttreatments are painfull and useless and serve to extend my cancer death by 5 years so they can claim I didnt die of cancer...
      [fush that ckit]

      I WILL NOT COOPERATE, I WILL BE "A LOUD AND UGLY DEATH", IN PROTEST, and in yer face Doctor Rubberglove


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      • Re: THE TRUTH that any decent human would be telling about cancer is.... by  Dquixote1217  11 mon  790

        Without getting into politics, I agree that Collins' statement was jaw-droppingly idiotic and uninformed.

        On the point of more people getting cancer due to an aging society - yes, that is true.  HOWEVER, more people are getting cancer in every age group, thus age alone is obviously not the culprit.  It should be obvious that the main culprit is our increasingly toxic world.

        If the so-called "war on cancer" were a real war, we would have surrendered long ago, or at least given up and brought the troops home.  Despite all the billions spent, despite all the declarations of cures or breakthroughs just around the corner on an annual basis for almost half a centurey and despite all the statistical juggling, more people around the world are getting cancer and dying from cancer every year.

        Insofar as what I would do if I got cancer, I would fight it with every last breath - but NOT through maim-stream medicine. 

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        • Re: THE TRUTH that any decent human would be telling about cancer is.... by  #136970  11 mon  801

          "HOWEVER, more people are getting cancer in every age group..."

          Our diagnostic abilities today are much better than even 5 or 10 years ago and light years beyond 50 years ago.  Diagnostic ability is on the forefront of any "increase" in cancer, and our increasing abilities to treat it are on the forefront of its decline, which it has done in the past 15 to 20 years.

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        • Another reason for the rise in cancer rates - of all ages..... by  #136970  11 mon  907

          Like I've posted many times before and will continue to post is the fact that the more overweight you are, the greater your risk for cancer.  In fact being overweight will increase your risk for cancer by 50%.  America has become a nation of fatties in the past few years and instead of throwing something into your mouth to "cure" your cancer the report below says that you can lower your risk for cancer by losing weight!

          As you can see in the 2nd link below over two thirds of American adults are either obese or overweight.  We are killing ourselves, nobody but nobody is doing it to us.

          Just more evidence to maintain health is to stay at a BMI below 25 and to also walk or run your buns off - literally.

          http://walking.about.com/cs/howtoloseweight/a/aafatcancer.htm

          Body Fat Linked to Higher Cancer Risks

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          Updated June 03, 2012

           

          Being overweight can increase your risk of cancer by 50% That is the conclusion of a study by the American Cancer Society of 900,000 men and women published in the April 24, 2003 edition of the "New England Journal of Medicine."

          The study is being touted as a definitive link between obesity and increased risk of cancer. Weight control could reduce cancer deaths in the US by 14-20% and save the lives of 90,000 a year.

          Body Mass Index Linked to Cancer Risk

          The study used body mass index - the ratio of height to weight. Increasing body mass index was linked to increased cancer risk.
          BMI
          Normal: 18.5 - 24.9
          Overweight: 25 - 29.9
          Obese: 30 and over
          What is your Body Mass Index?
          Body Mass Index Calculator

          How Does Being Fat Increase Cancer Risk?

          Researchers speculated on several ways that being overweight might increase risk of cancer. Body fat increases the amount of estrogen in the blood, which stimulates growth of cancers of the female reproductive system and many breast cancers. It increases the amount of insulin in the blood which also stimulates cell growth. It increases the risk of acid reflux which is related to esophageal cancer. Besides stimulating the development of cancer, being overweight makes it harder to detect cancer and to treat it. Lumps are less obvious and it is more difficult to adjust doses of chemotherapy and radiation or to find tumors to remove surgically.

          Can Losing Weight Decrease Your Risk of Cancer?

          Yes, says the lead researcher, Dr. Eugenia Calle, on the American Cancer Society web site. Losing weight returns insulin and estrogen levels to normal and decreases acid reflux and gallstone formation. This should result in a decreased risk for cancer..........................................

          http://win.niddk.nih.gov/statistics/#overweight

          Q: How many adults age 20 and older are overweight or obese (Body Mass Index, or BMI, > 25)?

          A: Over two-thirds of U.S. adults are overweight or obese.[4]

          All adults: 68 percent
          Women: 64.1 percent
          Men: 72.3 percent

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          • Re: Another reason for the rise in cancer rates - of all ages..... by  Dquixote1217  11 mon  749

            Certainly in general being overweight is a condition which leads to cancer and many other conditions.  However, saying that being overweight is more likely to lead to cancer is kind of like saying that eating red meat is more likely to lead to cancer.  It depends on what kind of red meat one eats, the same as being overweight as a health risk - at least being overweight but less than actually obese - depends more on where the weight came from.

            People in other countries, such as the Mediterranean, have lower incidence of cancer, cardiovascular and other illnesses than do overweight people in the US.  When it comes to cancer, the differences can be explained in parts by different exposure levels to toxins and radiation as well as differences in physical activity versus sedentary lifestyels.  However, another part of the difference is the same as the reason for the differences in cardiovascular health - where the extra calories came from.  If the extra calories came from wholesome, nutrient dense foods which did not have pesticides, herbicides and harmful additives and where the nutrients had not been processed out, then the extra calories  are not as important (again, at least up to a certain point).  If the extra calories came from crap foods, then the greater the chances of cancer and other illness.  Especially when combined with toxins, radiation and a sedentary lifestyle.

            The lesson is, besides leading a healthy active lifestyle, watch both your calories AND where the calories come from for the best health.

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            • Re: Another reason for the rise in cancer rates - of all ages..... by  #136970  11 mon  851

              "However, saying that being overweight is more likely to lead to cancer is kind of like saying that eating red meat is more likely to lead to cancer. It depends on what kind of red meat one eats, the same as being overweight as a health risk - at least being overweight but less than actually obese - depends more on where the weight came from..."

              You're being very defensive Tony.  Guilt is a female energy and when a male experiences guilt, he being controlled by a female in his space.

              You correctly point out from time to time that cancer in the USA is widespread.  Yet you also fail to acknowledge that for the past 15 to 20 years the cancer rate has declined.  The USA has gone from a rate of about 10 or 12% of the population being overweight to 66% in the past 50 years.  It is that increase in being overweight which is a huge contributor to the extensive cancer that you point out.  I have a 6th grade school group picture taken in 1943 and my class of 38 students with one teacher had one girl who was a bit overweight but nobody else was even begining to be fat.  Not one obese kid in the class.  Never saw one during all my public school years.  By the bye, there were no fast foods of any kind in those days and you couldn't even get frozen food until after WWII - it was started in 1946 by BirdsEye - all veggies, no junk, no pizza no frozen dinners.  Yup, they did include ice cream but different one than the junk you get today. 

              I'll say it again - we are vastly over eating and giving cancer to ourselves.  Nobody is doing it to us, we are doing it to ourselves through what we eat and I could care less what kind of meat one does or doesn't eat.  We're still responsible for what we put in our mouths!

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              • Re: Another reason for the rise in cancer rates - of all ages..... by  Dquixote1217  11 mon  753

                You're being very defensive Tony.  Guilt is a female energy and when a male experiences guilt, he being controlled by a female in his space.

                Luella would get quite the kick out of that statement, as would just about anyone who knows me.  But then that statement has nothing to do with what I wrote or what you previously wrote.

                I am not arguing in favor of being overweight.  Not at all.  But I am saying that where the extra calories and weight comes from is important.  No, I cannot attribute the increase in cancer to simply weight gain. Again, it is where the extra weight came from.  If it came from toxins and other crap in our diets, then the chances of getting cancer along with the increased weight would no doubt have a correlation.  The more bad things you put in your body, the greater your chance of illness.

                However, cancer rates have risen in pretty direct correlation to the toxins introduced into industrialized society and the rise was a huge one prior to the increased waistlines of the past 50 years.

                BTW, I am 6'1" and 180 - so I am hardly arguing in favor of my own waistline.

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          • EDIT..Fat stores and cancer incidence. by  chrisb1  11 mon  812
            The correlation between obesity and cancer rates also parallels the increase in environmental toxicity, rather than just obesity itself.
            Cancer rates however continue to rise: the WHO believes that cancer rates may increase by more than 50% by 2020. Meanwhile, more studies show that cancerous tumors are storehouses of high concentrations of toxic man-made chemicals.

            The correlation then between being overweight/obesity and cancer is therefore a misleading one, while the real culprit of toxicity escapes as hardly being noticed. Mainstream for example does not even accept the notion of detox, or that we can even suffer from or retain endogenous/exogenous toxins at all.

            EDIT.........
            Storing fat and other food reserves is Natures way of providing sustenance in times of famine or sickness/injury, where we will then live from these during those times, but to blame fat stores on the rising incidences of cancer is a profound red-herring.
            It is also significant to note that most all toxins, whether they be endogenous or exogenous in origin, are stored within fat deposits as the bodys first line of defence, so that they do not permeate the more essential organs/cells of the body as a protective measure.

            In Nature we also find that those animals that hibernate in the winter, such as the brown bear and squirrel will deliberately gain weight in the Summer months and become overweight/obese, but their historical incidence of cancer is negligible.

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