Would it recommended for him to pursue a Liver Flush if his liver is congested? Does the liver solution you recommend help with this? If so, is this something we can get from old fashion spices?
Dear MH. Thanks for the reply. I appreciate it alot and want your input after explaining some more.
I know this must be the program used for most people, and it seems really interesting. I would love to try it in theory, as it makes a lot of sense. I was actually already on a similar program as i'll explain.
However, as stated in my first post, I am very salicylate intolerant, and all herbs are very high in salicylates. This is the reason I take the supplements in which you say I have no chance of survival based on... which is extremely discouraging.
Maybe it's true.. but most of those substances are from research by top CFS specialsts and researchers in the world, and the reason im taking them is because they are non herbal - no salicylates. They are the alternatives to the herbals I cant take. When I take herbs I get increased systemic muscle pain, more brain fog, asthma and allergies. I hate this because I know how good herbs are otherwise, trust me.
Im not sure you've read my previous posts or web page but that's ok. I was actually on alot of herbs before trying to heal. I was on echinacea, andrographis, astragalus, milk thistle, olive leaf and more. Also at the same time, 3 or more litres a day of fresh pressed vegie and fruit juice a day plus one veg meal at night.
Doing this I just got progressively weaker and lots heaps of muscle. I was breaking down from no amino acids/protein. I could barely stand any more. I had to start these elemental drinks which are simple carb and amino acids, require no digestion, and they helped me come back up a little in weight and so on. However they feed bugs - candida etc, probably parasites.
My diet is heaps of vegetables, a bit of legumes and rice, and still some green lettuce/celery/parsley juice, and a bit of fruit. I dont have bad diet, bad habits, drink, drugs, none of it mentioned. I cant tolerate anything like it and haven't done for years.
I agree my appearance reflects my struggling organs, but as you can see i've been already doing many of the right things as stated above.
Yes in my previous posts I mentioned asking about liver flushes, and there was about 50/50 people saying yes maybe you need to, but the rest said no way not in such a weak state. However what to do otherwise? You guess correct. My liver hurts and have pale yellow stools all the time now, permanently. (used to be on and off). Being so weak Im not sure how well i'd do with a flush, but perhaps I still need to.
My kidney function blood tests are normal btw, but we know that doesn't always say a lot. I don't itch like hell either. Only my back that is flared up, itches in places.
I realise that about hospitals too, they can be a bunch of nasty individuals there. But there is still good intended people there. I only will go if my heart seems its not going to hold out, because if that is the case I'd rather be in hosp than at home.
After explaining the above, my diet etc, do you still think im on the wrong path? Theres not much simpler one can go! I could try the baby food for sure, but im wondering if that would end me up as I was before when i was juicing and having no protein - breaking down body tissue fast?
Again, with the 'crap im taking' above, is it better to just take none of them and do the parts of this program I can? Is it of use without any of the herbs? Im guessing all those products are high in herbals.
Only other way I could take all that is to just take it all, and really up the asthma medication and telfast anti-allergy pills, otherwise the asthma, allergies and other types of rashes etc etc are uncontrollable. Without the salicylates of herbs etc, I hardly need much asthma medication. Thats the powerful effect sal's and phenols can have on sal sensitive individuals.
Thanks, prayer is good. I believe in God & pray daily. I cry actually, desparately to him. I indeed have been learning for 12 years since this first started at age 22.
Extremely hard to hear I have 'zero chance' of survival from my one paragraph, especially seeing I was doing all the juicing, fruits and herbs before and not healing, hence why I changed to trying these things instead.
In my spirit, I feel the jammed up liver is the NUMBER ONE cause of everything happening to me. This is also worsened or largely impacted by Amalgam fillings ive been too weak to get removed. Just whether I could tolerate flushes is the next question.
Any more advice you can think for my particular case you might have would be very much appreciated! I do appreciate your message here a lot, its great info. I just desparately wish I was one that could tolerate herbs.
Chris, this one out of this string of Q&A struck a chord in me.
#1. Yellow stools? Are you headed where I was when I came here 6+ yrs ago? No digestion at all. Eating but dying ... it's very scary.
#2. Amino acids ... there are 20+ amino acids needed for the liver to make one human protein molecule. Your body makes all but 8 of them, those are called ESSENTIAL amino acids. You can't eat produce and avoid them. Things like green smoothies, fresh made green juices, and sprouts are all full of them.
#3. Nof liver flushing because you're too weak? How's that working for you? Your liver is a HUGE part of good health and without it's functioning properly, you will drown in your own toxic body fluids.
I knew in Oct 2005 that I wasn't digesting foods because there was nothing but undigested food in my toilet. In Jan, 2006, I found Ask Barefoot and began communicating with MH, mostly by email. He proved to me that Book 1 author KNEW what he was talking about when it came to diet and fasting. He was more into liver flushing back then than he is now, or he tolerated it because he knew I was earnestly trying to live. Liver flushing every 4th week didn't wreck me, closer together than that and I apparently was wrecking my electrolyte balance and felt too weak, I had to be able to work!!
I had to make notes when something rang true to me because I wouldn't remember ti 5 mins later.
I'll share a few articles that I made with those notes with you. If you'd like to continue to work with me, feel free to send me a message.
Barefooters' Library here at curezone is my personal accumulation of right at 4000 articles and videos that I've been accumulating for 6+ years. MH encouraged me to readReadREAD as you've seen in the articles listed. I saved what struck that internal chord and have posted them at curezone. It grows daily. When I read something that I personally would try, I post it with the permission of the author.
Dear one,.....you look like I do,...only you're even a few steps worse than I, it appears. My liver has to be 'played' like a violin!
Remember that the skin is our biggest organ,....and that the body knows how to heal all by itself,.....all we need to do is give it what it needs. I would do detox soaks in the tub!
I'd use 2 cups of sodium bicarbonate, (baking soda), 2 cups of epsom salt, and a few tablespoons of MSM sulfer. As hot as you can stand it, and soak your entire body for 20-30 minutes! I would start out every other day,....then increase to every day.
I am sorry you were given no hope by one poster! That is never the loving thing to do,....and I'm a truth teller all the way. Never take away someone's HOPE. It is true what they say, sometimes that's all we have!
I was to be dead by now of stage 3 pancreatic cancer that had spread to my liver. I am way over 50% better.
God is there with you friend,....He honors your courage too! :-)
Thanks very much Jill, lovely message :) Appreciated.
Yeah it seems everyone I speak to says something about someone else or themselves, and then it's ALWAYS followed by.. "but not as bad as you". I must be the worst toxicity case on earth. Its interesting to hear I look worse than someone with pancreatic and liver cancer, yet they can't identify one iota what's wrong with me and most of my common standard blood tests are 'normal'. I therefore get treated like crap by many medical people.
It's strange.. just last year I was still quite bad but at least I could eat well and sleep better. Also I thought I had another 40yrs of life left at least no matter the severe CFS and sensitivities etc. Then it all crashed, suddenly no patient with any illness i've seen or heard of is as bad as me. Wow, unexpected and unbelievable. I have no idea how I got from there to here in a heartbeat.
Anyway, yeah I like the idea of baths, but they drain me terribly, so hard to do. I havent even got a tub here at my dads house who i'm now living with. My mum does but she is accross the way and her place is up a flight of stairs which i have been previously able to manage maybe once a fortnight or less. So i coudlnt do every 2nd day. I can only do footbaths, and will do with ingredients you mention. I havent done MSM in baths before, I cant tolerate it internally but perhaps in a bath/foot bath will do? Will try anyway.
i think it is possible to get your liver decongested with sunbathing. uv rays will penetrate in through the skin and start to break up the congealed bilirubin. plus with sunlight you will be getting your vit d which will open your calcium channels and in turn oxygen. uv is also a good yeast killer.
start out with whatever sun you can manage and then try to build up to 2 hours with your whole body exposed to direct light.
another possibility for your liver is a high quality lecithin supplement, liquid is best, maybe an egg yolk liquid lecithin. not terrible expensive and this has been reported by a few people to be the equal of flushes but it is very gentle. don't mess around with the cheap soy stuff, but a high quality soy lecithin is ok since there isn't much soy left in it.
i think maybe some very small doses of raw calf liver might be good too, like maybe just a teaspoon or tablespoon per dose.
most meats and organs i think are ok on the feingold diet.
i may not have all the answers for you but i do understand your problem at least!!!!!
i hope also that someone on curezone that lives near to you will volunteer to do some legwork for you.
Hi there. Mm was spending some time in the sun earlier this year, only about 15 min a day as I felt nauseous and shaky any longer. Body is very weak. Never helped my liver though just being in the sun..
Yeah interesting. Lecithin has made me kind of nauseous for years, even when I was younger with hardly any of these problems. I think ive had a sluggish liver my whole life to be honest, and this is the end result of it.
I take phos choline now and then, and it causes biliary colic, then I feel more toxic some time later, perhaps 12hrs or the next day. It definitely detoxes anyway. How much lecethin etc would be suggested for this? Is the nausea etc just worth putting up with if it's going to work?
Can't eat any meats - makes everything 100x worse, all forms including soft fish unfortunately.
sunlight, PS, and lecithin all make you feel nauseous, so it's all working according to plan.
it is 1000% worth it for you to keep up with the PS or lecithin, as nausea is a small price to pay for a ticket out of your situation. to be able to avoid all the stresses of the liver flush, coffee enemas, and just have to deal with nausea is like winning the lottery twice in a row.
i don't know about the dosage, maybe 4 tablespoons lecithin per day. back off if it seems too much, but KEEP WITH IT, even at a small dose because the payoff will be huge. HUGE!. can't stress it enough, once your liver and gall bladder are able to start dumping bile you win.
either the PS or lecithin will do the trick. consider yourself lucky that these things make you feel nauseous as they are doing the exact job that you need. this will eventually pass and when things thin out enough for you to pass bile your life will change in the exact way that you have been hoping for. MAKE SURE TO DRINK SUFFICIENT FLUIDS THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, BILE IS MAINLY COMPOSED OF WATER.
i think i mentioned this to you before that raw protein reacts different to cooked protein, just as you were able tolerate some carbohydrates mixed with fats, everything must be gauged on its own merit, not compared to something similar -- and especially so in your state. and liver isn't even high in protein.
the gerson program included raw liver and they had people just like you who were at death's door. a few teaspoons of raw liver can give you most of your body's requirements for nutrition with zero stress on your digestion. it's up to you, but don't knock it before you try it. i was very specific in not recommending any cooked protein to you for exactly this reason so as not to disturb your liver or gall bladder, and just very gently detoxify it with sun or lecithin. and it is a good bet that while you detoxify your liver you may need to help rebuild it or support it, and you said you couldn't handle herbs, so raw liver it is.
i am keying in exactly to your situation, taking into account all of the things that you said you could not tolerate and not pushing you into any direction that is likely to lead in failure.
most people report nausea during liver flushes, this is just par for the course in detoxifying your liver. if you can get the same results with zero stress, not imbalancing your electrolytes, not stressing your adrenals with caffeine, all for less than 20 cents per dose, all without least having to eat high salicylate foods, or having to go on an extreme raw diet, ror having your cavities ripped out, or walking more than a few feet to the kitchen, etc etc then i think a reasonable person should consider this an extreme blessing.
Would eating raw eggs be a good source of lectithin. Also, is it good for the liver. I've read of people doing liver flushes with raw egg yolks. Maybe there's a connection?
Hey there. Thanks for the message. Didnt realise who you were at first due to the number, with so many msgs and a foggy brain!
Thanks for looking at all the factors, it is very helpful that you've done this, as many suggest a random bunch of things that ive mentioned elsewhere ive already tried/dont tolerate etc.
That's good about the lecethin/phos etc. I will keep onto it despite nausea. I have phos choline.. that is generally what is used most with liver conditions so ive read. I actually have been taking at least 3g a day in the packets of livon labs lypospheric C which are in a base of phospholipids. No big help so far.
When I take the pure phoscholine capsules, its not just nausea its also biliary colic and added toxicity the next day. Not sure I guess those are also liver purging effects which as you mention, are likely good despite the effects.
I'll keep them going as I have no other options. Ive been very seriously considering a flush still since nothing seems to work.
Yeah I would consider raw liver actually. I'd have to find a good organic source because the parasites I have already have got me very paranoid on raw meat! I havent even had raw fish for a long time. I read about the use in gerson therapy yes. Will see if I can find. Im guessing commercial/ordinary butcher liver wouldnt be the best.
You have keyed in indeed, and thanks for that.
Does liver fushing imbalance electrolytes or you meant coffee enemas do? Id guess maybe the high dose epsoms & diahrrea it causes might imbalance somewhat.
Oh yeah btw I have no gallbladder, was removed in 2001 for the very reason this all started - thick sludge in liver and GB. Oh how I wish I knew more and tried flushing etc back then.
Yes,....this time last year I was at a rental with no bathtub either,...so I did as you did,...the foot bath soak. I also used 'edible earth' clay, internally, as well as LL Environmental clay in that little foot bath tote! :-)
Then I got brave and bought a larger tote and I bloody sat in that in my tiny hovel! (I keep it as a reminder of the lengths I went and will still go! :-))
And,....I fully understand about the energy thing!!!
I told my first Naturopath two years ago that I couldn't stand for 20 minutes to juice. Her response was, "Well, I guess you don't want to live very badly." That got me up! Like a horse with 'strangles',...man I GOT UP! And I haven't taken as much as a long nap since! But I'm stronger now.
Baby steps for now my friend.
Also,...are you savvy to alkaline water? Or, R/O water in mass quantities? The rule is 1/2-3/4's an ounce for every pound of body weight. I only weigh 95 pounds at this point, but I'm drinking 1.5 gal's of alkaline water a day. It has been six months and it gave me back my sleep,...(most nights!).
These are tiny things that WE CAN DO! :-) They also help tremendously!
Remember,....baby steps,...but you must 'get up' to walk, yes?
Yeah i'll continue to do foot baths, havent been very consistent with them. Will try to get in a bigger tub somehow too.
Lol, interesting. I too cant stand most of the time for that long to juice etc. I can very late at night only when the body is somewhat more tolerant. I can try to 'force myself' to be up longer but it often results in an energy crash with such severe CFS. The ATP production just isn't there.
How much juice do you have? What sort? Im just having some green ones atm. Lettuce parsley and Celery . Have allergy to alot of the other common juice ingredients like carrot etc.
Yeap where I live we have a 5 stage RO filter. I drink but not loads. probably 2litres a day of fluids in general? I can also get alkaline water, my mum has a filter at her place. I drank it for a long time though withuot seeing alot of benefit.
I think a great deal of my problem is that having to take cortisone wrecks alot of things and offsets alot of good efforts. Its horrible stuff and so damaging, but without it i'd be dead in 24hrs or less anyway. Ugh!
I see that you juice lettuce, parsley and Celery ...parsley and celery act like diuretic,,,this can contribute to sodium loss. I can not use those two items plus lemons, it causes to much sodium loss. After the next time you have it, take notice if you urinate more frequently or become thirsty.
My dance with pancreatic/liver cancer started in November of 2009 when I was diagnosed. I'd been extra sick since July of 2008 when my gallbladder seemed to give out. I let them take my GB, which I later regretted. We need all our parts! :-) And,...I had never tried, nor ever even HEARD of a liver/GB flush!
Anyway,....when I was diagnosed I was told I'd live 1-3 years, depending on what the cancer did. I was unwilling to accept that as fact.
The gist is that you can take a very sick person and if you 'give' them super healthy blood,....they get well, no matter what. That is until their sick old body, blood, and lifestyle turns the 'good blood' into more of their old 'bad' blood, right? So I wanted to know how a poor gal like me could get my hands on some of that super blood, right? Well, I was challenged to MAKE MY OWN. This is what I did.
I was recommended a book by Dr. Theodore Baroody, "Alkalize or Die". This book has not only saved my life,...but I've worked with three other cancer patients now,...and two are getting well! (We used that book as our guide) (My roommate has late stage 4 throat cancer that had spread to his lymph nodes and sinuses.) He was sent home to die after chemo and radiation failed,...that was almost exactly one year ago this month. (His tumor has shrunk and the new ones are gone!) But we have a long way to go still. Anyway, I digress. Any cancer can be cured with baking soda, coffee enemas, like Dr. Max Gerson recommended, vegan diet, alkaline water, and certain 'no-no's' strictly avoided. The one gal I worked with who didn't live, refused to give up her 'little bowl of ice cream every night". I doubt it was very 'little', sorry.
In closing, it took me 18 months of therapies (all natural), to get the news that the tumor in the head of my pancreas was GONE! These are the things I did, inferred sauna everyday-40 minutes,...to lift and carry toxins out of my pours,....caster oil packs, 12 + liver/gallbladder flushes, Bentonite clays, epsom salt/baking soda/MSM soaks every other day, drink 1.5 gallons of alkaline water each day,....juice DAILY, bake and eat only sprouted ezekiel bread, make TWO organic salads EVERY DAY,...eat salsa or pesto 2 times everyday also,...(heavy on cilantro, garlic, and onion).
Then there are a lot of supplements,...but those are only good after LOADS of flushes, right?
It can be done,.....I'm a little nobody,...and I did it!
Thanks for that info - I think much of what we eat is so poor quality nutrition wise these days that we are over stressed and under fed, which can only lead to illness.
I've always been a big advocate of organic food, although I do like chocolate ( which is an acidifying sugar hit ) but working hard to pull that back and get rid of it.
Your info is very useful and hopefully youve shared it around.
Liver Flush was one of the first things that seemed to 'get results', so yes. My first liver flush was so NEEDED I guess, that I needed the basin near my bed! (I threw up). So Yes,...a congested liver will take you out, IMO,...if not corrected!
However,....it is now understood that a week of coffee enemas IS a liver flush. I have gotten more of my 'health' back,...with coffee enemas!
I also didn't mention the healing power of regular digestive enzymes, probiotics, anti oxidants, or chelation!
But getting cleaned out is,IMO,...the first order of business.
Soaking in clay has to be in there too!
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