The other night I randomly ended up half-watching (not paying full attention to it) a TV show of some doctors, it was already started so I didn't catch the name, and at some point this police woman started having some symptoms that appeared of a neurological condition. One of the docs, a friend of hers, ran a scan on her but didn't find anything, he checked many other things in her, like reflexes/reactions, then I can't remember what it was that made him look at her eyes and then he told her she'd been poisoned and that's when I perked up, just out of curiosity. It turned out to be copper toxicity that had affected her brain and when he was explaining this to her they showed a big picture of an (green) eye that had this dark ring on the outer portion of the iris. I immediately went "boing!" because I'd seen something like that in my eyes, so I ran to the bathroom mirror and, sure enough, even though my eyes are dark brown the ring can be seen. I now did a search hoping to find pics of this but I could not, however, I read a post from another forum where someone was mentioning a "copper colored" ring in her eyes, which are blue, in mine it just looks black probably because they're dark.
Because I believe in "synchronicity" often meaning we need to pay attention to what comes repeatedly in front of us, I've taken the "coincidence" of me watching that unknown show as a personal message I need to heed.
So, I'm curious to see if anyone else with AF and/or confirmed copper toxicity had heard of this rings in the iris and/or has noticed them in their own eyes.
Yeah this is fairly common in adrenally fatigued people. My friend Steve had an obvious case. I have one slight, or maybe not so much, but my dark brown eyes doesnt make it clear.
Dr Wilson assures nutritional balancing its the best way to detox copper. Also, the user SeattleK have progressed pretty much with his copper detox since some time, look it up.
Ha! What a coincidence! I was just on that page, I did another search and found that the name is Kayser-Fleischer Ring as can be read in your link, and came here precisely to post that. I'm new at this copper toxicity thing, only read about it for the first time last week, and despite of my earlier reluctance I may have to give this NB thing a try, in fact I sort of am already because my liver acted up so bad 3 days ago I could hardly eat and then instinctively reduced proteins and fats. I just had a new "crash" that started last week of which I seem to be recovering very slowly and in the past 2 days have been very depressed and today got actually pretty weepy, something that's described as a symptom of dumping copper. But I've had things with chocolate in them, even today (guilt trip...) and chocolate contains copper, in fact I'd switched to dark chocolate, which contains more than the MDR of copper in 3 oz., years ago, and there would be periods of times when I ate it nearly every day (other times would not want chocolate at all). I also have kept a container of cocoa powder at home and even was drinking it in hot water sometimes during the cold months instead of coffee, which I cannot handle, but stopped because it was really not having the expected effect. Pehaps that and other copper containing foods plus the gluten eating is what contributed to my last major crash 3+ months ago, I'd say that ignorance is certainly NOT bliss!
I went back to reading about copper toxicity (not on Dr. Wilson's site) and it said that cadmium blocks copper and I remembered having read that chocolate might contain cadmium, so I did another search and found the thyroid site where I'd read it, apparently 2 studies revealed the presence of cadmium in cocoa, the speculation being that the cocoa beans got contaminated by being stored in containers that had cadmium, (and possibly also lead which showed up too), such being the case, although cadmium is usually not good news, in this case it probably bound with the copper and both went "down the drain". I've also taken zinc and manganese supplements on/off for years, especially zinc, so maybe unbeknownst to myself I helped diminish the copper damage a little bit as looking back I believe I've had adrenal issuess most of my life and my liver enzymes have been elevated - to my knowledge - for the past 10 years. I read that when the damage is serious the enzymes won't even rise anymore so at least I find comfort in that!
Hey, don't mess with my "angel", it's actually a "butterfly fairy"...
I'ts OK, I wasn't really asking for advice on copper toxicity, was just curious to see if others had noticed that and "Uat" mentioned that this has been discussed before and it's common among others with AF.
"Copper Toxicity" that 99% of doctors know about is severe. It is copper poisoning at that point. That is what they are talking about on this wikipedia page, which has a picture of an eye
It is a level of toxicity far greater than we are usually talking about on these forums. I have very high copper on my hair analysis, but I do not have these golden rings. It would have to be even higher to for that.
So I'm not really sure if it is common for Adrenal Fatigue. It's the first I've heard of it. Not saying it's not possible. But you would think with all the people with AF doing the Iris contraction test, more would have noticed the yellow ring.
Think of how many people Dr James Wilson did the iris test on over the years. You would think he would have mentioned in his book that golden rings are common, even if he didn't know why.
Dr Rind did the iris test on me and I'm sure he has done it on hundreds of people. Didn't mention a thing.
Below is an excerpt from Ann-Loiuse's book What am I so Tired, that explains the level of copper toxicity that the doctor on TV was talking about.
For the more sublte level of copper toxicity we are talking about from chronic stress and adrenal fatigue, it is a short list of doctors practitioners in the world that know about it.
COPPER OVERLOAD: THE TRADITIONAL VIEW
In traditional medical circles, only two types of copper toxicity are readily accepted and recognized: acute copper poisoning and Wilson’s disease. Acute copper toxicity occurs when food or drink contaminated with high amounts of copper—vinegar-containing foods or acidic beverages like cider stored in copper vessels, for example—is ingested.
This toxicity results primarily in vomiting and diarrheameans by which the liver tries to eliminate the excess copper quickly. Prompt vomiting and diarrhea generally protect a person who’s been poisoned with copper from more serious systemic effects, but not always. If the exposure to copper is too great, red blood cells can actually rupture en masse, and death can result. Rest assured, though, that this is extremely rare.
Unlike acute copper poisoning, Wilson’s disease is a chronic form of copper overload. It’s a hereditary disorder that causes copper to accumulate in tissues and produce extensive damage. In this disorder, a genetic defect prevents the liver from secreting copper into the blood or excreting it into the bile. As a result, the copper level in the blood is low, but copper builds up in the liver, causing cirrhosis, and then spills over into other organs, such as the eyes and brain.
Treatment of the disease needs to be lifelong and requires consistent, periodic monitoring by a physician. The conditions of acute copper poisoning and Wilson’s disease illustrate quite dramatically that too much copper can be hazardous to one’s health. However, these conditions represent two extremes that affect a very limited number of people. The average person with copper overload doesn’t experience the symptoms and long-term effects of acute copper poisoning or Wilson’s disease; he or she experiences a subtle degree of copper overload that most doctors aren’t trained to recognize.
Yes, you are right, the term used in the show was "poisoning" and the ring around the iris was very pronounced, mine is thin but it's there.
Apparently you didn't read the Wikipedia page, so I'm pasting a paragraph here:
Kayser-Fleischer rings are a sign of Wilson's disease, which involves abnormal copper handling by the liver resulting in copper accumulation in the body and is characterised by abnormalities of the basal ganglia of the brain, liver cirrhosis, splenomegaly, involuntary movements, muscle rigidity, psychiatric disturbances, dystonia and dysphagia. The combination of neurological symptoms, a low blood ceruloplasmin level and KF rings is diagnostic of Wilson's disease.[1]
While they're probably referring to a more advanced stage, notice that the one thing in common is that the liver is affected, and I've always seen liver disfunction associated with hypoglycemiaand/or AF. But I just noticed something else, which is what I originally thought I was told about my "rings":
In any case, I'm sure there are different stages of copper "overload". And btw, in the TV show, which I know must not be taken as "truth", when the patient asked how that had happened to her the doc said there was no good way to know, that she'd probably had been accumulating it most of her life. From what I've read so far, it's actually the liver's inability to produce sufficient ceruloplasmin in the first place which causes the copper build-up, and of course, like some other conditions the cause also facilitates the progression of the disease by producing a vicious circle of sorts.
I find this extremely interesting as I know I have mercury poisoning due to my Amalgams I got when I was younger...But they use copper as well as other metals... So I guess I need toworry about that as well because I just looked at my eyes and they have that ring around them...my eyes are blueish they look almost EXACTLY like the first pic shown in the link provided...I don't have any
severe symptoms I am sure I will need to detox for copper as well now...What exactly is good for detoxing copper anyways?
Oh maybe we jumped on the wagon too early. What I really wanted to mean was that being copper toxic its common among adrenally fatigued people. Indeed, or you get toxic when your body its already exhausted or you got exhausted because your body got toxic.
Its true that Steve had a brown ring in his green eyes but as feo said Wilson´s disease its a different thing. But who knows, Iridology its fascinating and pretty accurate. My eyes have orange patches. This means carbohydrate indigestion (I dont digest fruits at all). Then I have all those white nerve rings, this means a lot of nervous stress, coming from emotional toxins (example, traumas, attitudes towards life) or physical toxins (example, metals). Over time, if they dont get adressed, the nerve rings progress to black and you will get really screwed. The iridologist said "heal the gut and find a way to clear all those neurotoxins".
I'm not sure I understood your above post... For the purpose of my post, what does it matter that Wilson's disease is a different illness? The point is that the ring is caused by copper being deposited around the iris, and as you say it could be one of those "chicken or the egg" kind of things.
Had/sort of still have copper toxicity. Didnt to my knowledge have the iris ring myself, but I did come across it in my research multiple times I think. I would definitely look more into copper toxicity if you have some of the symptoms and the eye ring.
That is also interesting...I was turning grey buy the time I was 27 and it became much worse when I turned around 42 and my hair was becoming black and grey, since doing NB much less grey and hair is back to the medium brown.
Marie, do you have any small brown spots and small white spots (vitiligo) caused by the AF/copper toxicity or stretch marks? I have all three of these things due to AF/copper toxicity.
If you also have them, do they improve/disappear completely with NB?
I'm looking forward to my hair turning dark brown again (hopefully!).
To my understanding, my hair turned prematurely gray at 24 (now 28) because I became deficient in bio-available copper.
Once I detox the excess copper in my body (liver etc) it should go back into the bloodstream again and deposit itself back into my hair, recoloring the hair.
Well, that's the theory anyway. If I'm wrong, please correct me.
Yes I have the lovely stretch marks after caring 2 babies, one 8 lbs. 2oz and two years later the next was 9 lb. 3oz. Hey they were worth it...lol .
They have faded quite a bit since doing NB...but not gone. I've had them for almost 29 years now. I heard that it came from deficiency in zinc a few years back, and it would make sense that I have high copper I was deficient in zinc.
I had a case of pigmentation do to the low cortisol on my face, neck and a few spots on my wrists and knees. Cleared up now.
Several years ago "all of a sudden" I began noticing more and more "freckles" on my face, now, I'm Hispanic with a permanent tan, lol! Maybe because I was going out in the sun frequently and didn't always remember to protect my face they soon multiplied and became so apparent I had to begin to wear foundation whenever I went out, which I didn't need before (people always commented positively on my skin), I then found an OTC bleaching cream that worked pretty well and fast, they didn't all go away but those that remained faded away a lot, but I've noticed how they do tend to darken again when I stop the cream for a good while...
But I saw my sisters have the same spots and I read it often comes with "age" (we were all over 45), that it can be hormonal, blah, blah, I even read it could be due to having fungi inside, which I suspected for myself. In any case, my older sister had had all kinds of hormonal problems which started with a pituitary tumor that was removed in 2000 and got more severe then, at least for a while, and the younger one has fibromyalgia and has also gone through a LOT of stress, for all I know she may have been suffering from AF all these years too.
What I can see is that the nutritional demands stress imposes in our bodies are often impossible to meet and thus we come into an unbalanced state in which many things can go wrong, so possibly it's stress and the huge breakdown of tissue and toxins originated during repeated “alarm” stages, plus all the environmental insult our bodies already suffer, which makes it impossible for our liver/kidneys to keep up and then not only copper but other “things” build up too.
It's just too many things to consider to blame it on just one, for example, those of us who have “gut disbiosis” and overgrowth of Candida (and heaven knows what else), also have the overload of their toxins inside our bodies. Two years ago when I was told that my liver enzymes were elevated (althought it was really not the first time but the one before, several years earlier, the doctor and I attributed to prescription drugs I was on at the time, which except for female bio-identical hormones, I stopped) I thought it was due to Candida and fungus, now... go figure!
I don't think I'm understanding this, iodine is also needed for hair to remain its natural color...
After I began taking Lugol's I saw a slight darkening of my hair in some areas, but it was not progressive. But one thingn I did notice this past year, in which I've become pretty intolerant of iodine so I take it rather infrequently now, and that is that the same areas of my hair haved have seen my hair have become grayer again.
For years I believed what Adelle Davis said regarding hair color and stress as mine began turning after a period of serious stress when I was 26, and I noticed that with each following stressful time I'd get more gray hairs, she said PABA was needed for hair to return to its color but it was very limited in supplements so I thought maybe that's why I had not had any success. I did start taking zinc many years ago because it is consumed during times of stress. Anyway, I'm now kind of confused...
I think it was Vegeta's post that confused me... I addressed you because of the melasma, the low cortisol is a new one on me, somehow that doesn't sound right to me, since copper is contained in melanin, what does make sense to me is that someone with AF which has high copper might develop it. I also read somewhere (but can't find it again) that other signs of AF are darkening of elbows and knees, which I suddenly began to have many years ago, but I also noticed mine sometimes are lighter, and lately they're very dark again. :(
What I can tell you about PABA is that it is an important nutrient which assists in copper metabolism. Perhaps this is why it helps to recolor gray hairs.
Oh yeah thanks, I already did a while back, that's where I read about the ring around the iris, btw. I also found this great article that explains how copper affects the stress response and vice-versa: www.holistic-back-relief.com/copper-toxicity.htmlVery good!
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