Little did I know that in this far-out part of CureZone the promoters of the "Age of Enlightenment" would turn into a bunch of looney goosestepping anti-Semitic, pro-communist, genocidal extremists? One would have thought that racial and national hatred would not be the banner of healers but hatred has found a niche in CureZone. I thought before investigating David Icke's covert version of atheistic racism that the biggest anti-Semites were part of the far-right? I even imagined the left as the "good guys" who defended the rights of all of human-kind but now I see the left has it own growing hate theology buried in mysticism among normally descent people who otherwise share most of my ideas about social justice. The David Icke followers believe that Jews and evil alien Lizards have so inter-mixed that there is no difference between the destructive shape-shifting lizards and the everyday Jew. The Icke followers and lefties on this board and other boards are saying what the far-right would not openly say and get away with: they want to round up every Jew on arth and murder them.
Anti-Semitism is springing up on every left-wing board on the net. Most of the new Jew haters from the left were once upon a time closer to being pacifists until they were seduced into hating Jews by the likes of David Icke & Joe Vialls. The racist Protocols of the Elders Of Zion propaganda that Icke and other leaders of the anti-Semitic left are passed around as truth in this forum. The Protocols have always been used by Neo-Nazis to promote hate but who would have thought rabid anti-Semitism would have ended up amongst healers in CureZone? It is amazing to me that that lefties from all over the world could be dupped into supporting the far-right agenda of racial hatred in the same way that 50% of Americans were dupped into backing the same agenda the far-right has alway pushed on the other side of the debate, only the left call Anti-Semitism an alien invasion and the far-right anti-Semitism is just the same old bigotry without the UFO's. The emerging fringe left is only adding fuel to the fire of the growing fascism growing in Europe and America today and leading the goose-stepping world toward another World War.
Openly backing the genocide of the Jewish Race, the far-left & far-right are creating a climate of hatred so vile that it may destroy the foundations of the planet. You can bet that the Jews will not go to the ovens without fighting this time. Add the far-right who are also Anti-Muslim through oil wars in the Middle-East and calling it "freedom" and covertly anti-Black through allowing the proliferation of AIDS in Black nations... and it looks like the New World Order will get its agenda pushed by both sides of the political and spiritual spectrum. The divide & conquer elite are having their way with the world by convincing otherwise peaceful people to hate and murder their neighbors while they steal every dime they can from the same people who are goose-stepping to the Anti-Semitic drumbeat.
I would have expected it from the Neanderthal right but who would have thought the left could be dupped into self-destrution? "Hate hurts the hater." Ask any mother of a gang member. By our silence...this hatred will continue... There is a huge price to pay for hatred...I would just have hoped that the unusally viscious hatemongers on the fringe of the New Age Movement would not have bankrupted the spirit of so many otherwise well meaning human-beings here in CureZone and all over the world...
Little did I know that this far-out part of CureZone would turn into a bunch of looney goosestepping anti-semitic communists? I thought before investigating the freak David Icke's atheistic covert racism that the biggest Anti-Semites were part of the right but little did I know the left has it own growing Anti-Semitism movement amongst normally descent people who are generally closer to being pacifist until they were seduced into hating Jews by the likes of David Icke & Joe Vialls. The Protocols of the Elders Of Zion propaganda being passed around as truth is certainly being used by Neo-Nazi trash but who would have thought it would have ended up amonst healers? It is amazing that lefties are being dupped into the far-right agenda the same way the working class have been dupped into backing the same far-right and calling it left. The emerging fringe left is only adding fuel to the fire of a potential World War by openly backing the genocide of the Jewish Race and the far-right is openly Anti-Muslim and covertly ant-Black through the proliferation of AIDS in Black nations... It sounds like the divid & conquer elite are having there way with the world by convincing otherwise peaceful people to hate their neighbors regardless of their character from advice given by the Anti-Semitic Left.
By our silence...this hatred will continue... There is a huge price to pay for hatred...I would just have hoped that the unusally viscious hatemongers on the fringe of the New Age Movement would not have swallowed up so many otherwise well meaning human-beings...
Indeed! but supporting the murder of Jews & the destruction of Israel on this forum is not healing anything or anyone. The mistake comes when people or groups blame whole races or groups of people for the ills of the world instead of the machine that creates the greatest harm to mankind. Divide & Conquer... is the name of the game and as long as we as the people of the world hate whole nations and races of people then we are no better than the "ama, ada, biochemical poisoners, flat earth heads,liars, suppressors and polluters. eom" You can not defeat evil with evil. Only good can defeat evil"
indeed but supporting the murder of Jews & the destruction of Israel on this forum is not healing anything or anyone. Divide & Conquer... is the name of the game and as long as we hate whole nations and races of people then we are no better than the "ama, ada, biochemical poisoners, flat earth heads,liars, suppressors and polluters. eom" You can not defeat evil with evil. Only good can defeat evil"
Class, today's homework involves taking the post above and finding the paragraph with the largest number of logical fallacies committed. Be prepared to justify your answer.
You have a good reason to challenge my statements? I for one was drawn into the uninterupted anti-American & Anti-Semitic cut & paste posts and felt a need to push back where I saw darkness. Hate can be rationalized though and there may be justification for it but it doesn't make it right? There are a hundred reasons to justify murder but most of us find a reason to avoid murder unless we are faced with no other choice. I find the hate mongering posts depicting the murder of Jews in this forum as sickness and while my words may not be logical in syntax and structure, I wanted to put them out there to see what bites.
"Don't feel you owe me any respect; you can listen or not, as you please."
(Benjamin Franklin)
You have a good reason to challenge my statements? It is a little smug to defame my opinion without addressing the particular statements that you find the disaproval? I for one was drawn into the uninterupted anti-American & Anti-Semitic cut & paste posts and felt a need to push back where I saw darkness. Hate can be rationalized and there may be justification for it but it doesn't make it right. There are a hundred reasons to justify murder but most of us find a reason to avoid murder unless we are faced with no choice. I find the hate mongering posts in this forum as sickness and while my words may not be logical in syntax and structure, I want to put them out there to see what bites.
"Don't feel you owe me any respect; you can listen or not, as you please."
(Benjamin Franklin)
Yes, actually. I question the validity of the holocaust data we are given. I am not, however, genocidal. Your hyperbolic rant tends to lump everyone who questions the holocaust into the category of genocidal maniacs. Besides the dichotomy you're fixated on (Jews and holocaust enforcers versus holocaust deniers and those-who-would-kill-all-Jews), there are many other positions on the subject which aren't anywhere within that spectrum, but that's the only spectrum you see.
Here at CureZone, we typically question the "official", government-sanctioned "reasoning" of all things medical. Questioning other lines of "official", government-sanctioned "reasoning" shouldn't be all that difficult a leap to make.
Yes, actually. I question the validity of the holocaust data we are given. I am not, however, genocidal. Your hyperbolic rant tends to lump everyone who questions the holocaust into the category of genocidal maniacs. Besides the dichotomy you're fixated on (holocaust enforcers versus holocaust deniers), there are many other positions on the subject which aren't anywhere within that spectrum, but that's the only spectrum you can see.
Here at CureZone, we typically question the "official", government-sanctioned "reasoning" of all things medical. Questioning other lines of "official", government-sanctioned "reasoning" shouldn't be all that difficult a leap to make.
I am not even arguing that the number of Jews who died in the holocaust is six million but rather if it were 3 million or one million then it was still a crime. I was attempting to make an argument that the politically left have ventured into the realm of anti-Semitism in this forum & in progressive forums all over the internet. I believe they have been seduced into hating Jews by the alternative media and the likes of David Icke & Joe Vialls. If that did not come across then let me make my argument: The New Age movement and the politically left have been usurped by the anti-Semitic agenda of the European Illuminati who permit Anti-Semitic propaganda from the left to divide and conquer good-willed people into hatring everyday Americans & Jews. Lumping us all(Americans & Jews) into the same Republican Pro-War mold doesn't work... Most Americans like most Jews are not for the expansionist American Illuminati agenda but I can say with some certainty that Americans and Jews alike would not as a whole believe the answer is to murder all Jews and Americans as the answer to the world's problems. This has been the argument of the infamous anunnaki for months and I could no longer stay silent. If America & Israel are destroyed then do you think England & Canada will survive? killing Jews and Americans will not stop the Illuminati... Only by stopping the mechinations that drive people to murder one another will we as the greater human-race survive this age. Propaganda used to point hate toward races or nations is missing the mark in my opinion.
The one point on which we obviously differ is the following.
I believe they have been seduced into hating Jews by the alternative media and the likes of David Icke & Joe Vialls.
Some people very easily find reasons to hate others. They don't need a David Icke or Joe Vialls to do it, and using them as scapegoats for an individual's choice is an oversimplification at best.
I don't read Icke. I do read Vialls when someone points me that way. I never really got that he is an Anunnaki-like Jew-Nukin' Fool, although I can be naive... But he is clearly anti-Israel, and he is definitely anti-American-Government and anti-Israeli-Government. I largely concur with his views.
His "hatred" for all things Jewish or American may or may not be the driving factor behind his rants, but calling him out on these things is an ad hominem attack -- meaning you're attacking the messenger rather than the message. Even one's most hated enemy can be telling the truth if it suits the enemy's purpose to tell the truth, so one's agreement or disagreement with a person's viewpoint on a given topic should not be used to dismiss that person's message. After all, what if they guy is 100% right? Or 72.6% right? Or 38.7% right? Might he not, then, have a valid reason (or several) for feeling the way he does?
I agree that continuing to foment hatred is not a good solution to these problems, and I do not want Israel or America to wind up green-glass-parking-lots. On the other hand, sometimes it takes anger and hatred to get people to act (being too complacent until reaching that stage -- and Anunnaki's got your chain yanked pretty hard). *sigh* Ironically, it would be "nice" if people weren't being so "nice" that they ignore the ugliness in life and fail to confront the evil that faces us.
As someone who was seduced into hating the Communists as a boy, learning to hate Muslims as a young adult in the military... I might have said some of the same things annunnaki is saying about Israel or America only I parroted the propaganda of Reagan and what he said about Russia or Iran but I woke up... In the military I was being fed propaganda by very intelligent Zionists with PHD's on front of their names... I recognize propaganda when I see it... and it is very convincing... but its agenda is hate...Joe Viall's site is same kind of "Propaganda" that came out of Communist Russia during the Cold-War. I am not saying there is not truth in Vialls posts but much of it is pure propaganda pieces that are often later found to be fiction but the damage is done and the world is driven one more notch toward a World War.
In a recent anunnaki post, all the rhetoric comparing Auschwitz to the Israel's treatment of Palestine is not a valid argument in my opinion;
"What is happening in Palestine is a crime which we can put on the same plane as what happened at Auschwitz." Jose Saramago
I am not saying the treatment of the people of Palestine is not a crime... I believe it is...but comparing Auschwitz to Palestine is like comparing apples to oranges... The Jews in Europe began vanishing in Europe because of Nazi Germany's genocidal pograms but Palestine has tripled its population since 1948. I do believe statehood for Palestine would cure a lot of the problems but Neo-Cons in America have a stranglehold on foreign policy just like Kissinger's crowd of thugs had on foreign policy during my time in the military.
"The illegal we can do right now; the unconstitutional will take a little longer." -Henry Kissinger
If open debate about the crimes the Mossad & Israel are now involved in pressures Israel into allowing a state of Palestine then great but I sense a more diabolical reason for raising the heat on Israel. Europe is unifying to form a new alliance to destroy Israel & America's influence in the world by supporting a growing anti-Zionist movement who's agenda is to destroy Israel and cripple America. The Europeans are living in a fantasy if they believe America & Israel will roll over & die and will not respond with ferocious retaliation if they are attacked with nuclear or biological weapons. It all sounds grand to destroy Israel in Europe today to save Palestine but if Europe thinks America will not retailiate for an attack on Israel then they are delusional. America will defend Israel. Maybe America will go into Iran & Syria and see Germany & Russia rise up to challenge America but it will be terrible time and place to be when the tactical nukes start flying...
I for one pray for peace but the drums of war are starting to beat all over Europe and I can only hope that the crazy Neo-Cons will back down before it is too late...
As someone who was seduced into hating the Communists as a boy, learning to hate Muslims as a young adult in the military... I might have said some of the same things annunnaki said about Russia or Iran but I woke up... I was being fed propaganda by very intelligent Zionists with PHD's on front of their names... I recognize propaganda when I see it... and it is very convincing... Joe Viall's site is same kind of "Propaganda" coming out of Communist Russia during the Cold-War. I am not saying there is not truth in it but Vialls posts pure propaganda pieces that are later found to be fiction but the damage is done and the world is driven one more notch toward a World War.
All the rhetoric comparing Auschwitz to the Israel's treatment of Palestine is not a valid argument;
"What is happening in Palestine is a crime which we can put on the same plane as what happened at Auschwitz." Jose Saramago
I am not saying the treatment of the people of Palesine is not a crime... I believe it is...but comparing Auschwitz to Palestine is like comparing apples to oranges... The Jews in Europe began vanishing in Europe because of Nazi Germany's genocidal pograms but Palestine has tripled its population since 1948. I do believe statehood for Palestine will cure a lot of the problems but Neo-Cons in America have a stranglehold on foreign policy just like Kissinger's crowd of thugs had on foreign policy during my time in the military.
"The illegal we can do right now; the unconstitutional will take a little longer." -Henry Kissinger
If open debate about the crimes the Mossad & Isreal are now involved in pressures Isreal into allowing a state of Paestine then great but I sense a more diabolical reason for raising the heat on Isreal. Europe is unifying to form a new alliance to destroy Israel & America's influence in the world by supporting a growing anti-Zionist movement who's agenda is to destroy Israel and cripple America. The Europeans are living in a fantasy if they believe America & Israel will not respond with ferocious retaliation if they are attacked with nuclear or biological weapons. It all sounds grand to destroy Israel for Europe today but if Europe thinks America will not retailiate for an attack on Israel then they are equally delusional. America will defend Israel. Maybe America will go in to Iran & Syria and see Germany & Russia rise up to challenge America but it will be terrible time and place to be when the tactical nukes start flying...
I for one pray for peace but the drums of war are starting to beat all over Europe and I can only hope that the crazy Neo-Cons will back down before it is too late...
I am not saying the treatment of the people of Palesine is not a crime... I believe it is...but comparing Auschwitz to Palestine is like comparing apples to oranges... The Jews in Europe began vanishing in Europe because of Nazi Germany's genocidal pograms but Palestine has tripled its population since 1948.
I think looking at the number of deaths in both areas (Auschwitz versus Paletsine) would be a more effective comparator. Consider the following quote from here:
I fielded several calls from CNN producers the other day. "Somebody" had given them my name as someone they might want to interview to provide counterpoint to their coverage today, which predictably will gush in support of all things Jewish. They discussed sending out a camera crew to film me being profiled with my commentary. Obviously, the idea was to get a foil to make look foolish...the typical, inarticulate and irrational "hater" to be vilified on camera. I know that always is the media's agenda when its minions approach me, but I am willing to play along, anyway, because I count on being able to hold my own with anybody on politically-incorrect subjects.
One of them asked if I believed in the Holocaust. "Do I believe Jews died or do I believe 6,000,000 Jews were gassed and cremated?" I responded. The latter, she said. "No - that's complete rubbish, as a little logic will demonstrate," I replied. "Here, let me explain."
"Consider why Germany, fighting a war on two fronts, desperate for fuel and materiel of every sort, would bother to load millions of Jews on railroad cars and transport them hundreds, even thousands, of miles to concentration camps. Camps built specifically to house them, where they would be fed, clothed, even tattooed so they could be inventoried...just to kill them."
"Look," I continued, "it doesn't even begin to make sense. If they wanted Jews dead, they would have done it the same way that Russian Jews had been doing it to millions and millions (20 to 80 million, depending upon to whom you talk) of White Christians for the past thirty years at the time: with a bullet to the base of the skull, wherever they might be found."
There was a long pause. I used it to add: "As my buddy Al likes to say, 'In all of German-occupied Europe, there were 2.4 million Jews. After the war, 3.8 million Jews applied for Holocaust reparations. Tragically, the remaining 6 million were lost.'"
More silence. (I imagined her feverishly taking notes.) "Did you know that WWII wasn't the first time that Jews claimed 6,000,000 of their number were eradicated in a genocidal frenzy?" I asked. "No - no, I didn't," came the tentative response. "WWI," I said. "They made the exact, same claim, but they would like us to forget about that now. And that wasn't the first time either. You might ask what is so magic about the 6 million figure - well, it derives from their Talmud, which teaches that their Messiah will not come until 6 million Jews are slaughtered." I resisted the almost-overwhelming urge to point out that Israel's current Jewish population is just about 6 million and then ask if she believed in religious prophecy.
"How do you know this is true?" she asked.
"Well, the Talmud is there for anybody to read. Besides, they keep changing the plaques at Auschwitz. First it was 4 million killed there, said the memorial plaque, which now has been replaced with a plaque that claims 1.5 million. Even so, the 6 million figure never got knocked down by the 2.5 million Auschwitz reduction." (Go here for a particularly illuminating article which puts the final Auschwitz figure at about 140,000, based on documents released following the Soviet collapse.)
I have to disagree with you about the holocaust being equal to the treatment of Palestine but I do understand that a lot of the literature was and remains propaganda to push the Israeli Illuminati Agenda.But what do you think of Joe Viall's futuristic writing? It has a nice ring to it but what is its objective if not an Anti-Semitic push propaganda piece designed to fire up Europeans, UKer's, and Canadians into an Anti-Semitic frenzy? The hidden agenda with a new spin to it has an old Soviet Bloc Communist flare and covertly suggests its followers promote driving Israel into the sea campaign? By saying Zionists but denying Israel's right to exist is not reality. The only way to rid the Jews in Israel(the hidden agenda) is to murder them and if that isn't Hitleresque then nothing is. Between David Icke & Joe Vialls Anti-Semitic propaganda the droogies on this board are totally brainwashed... What is amazing to me is how face value the patriot community is to this form of propaganda. Are they really truth seekers or just pawns in the same old industrial military complex.Trading American/Jewish Illuminati controllers for Rothschild Illuminati controllers is not a great step toward truth? It is amazing to me how these types of propaganda are used to manipulate men into killing their fellow man in the name of truth & justice.
I have to disagree with you about the holocaust being equal to the treatment of Palestine but I do understand that a lot of the literature was and remains propaganda to push the Israeli Illuminati Agenda.But what do you think of Joe Viall's futuristic writing? It has a nice ring to it but what is its objective if not Anti-Semitic push propaganda piece designed to fire up Europeans, UKer's, and Canadians into an Anti-Semitic frenzy? The hidden agenda with a new flare has an old Soviet Communist flare and covertly suggest its fans to promote a drive Israel into the sea campaign? Between David Icke & Joe Vialls the droogies on this board are totally brainwashed... What is amazing to me is how face value the patriot community is to this form of propaganda. Are they really truth seekers or just pawns in the same old industrial military complex.Trading American/Jewish Illuminati controlers for Rothschild Illuminati contrlers is not great step toward truth? It is amazing to me how these types of propaganda are used to manipulate men into killing their fellow man in the name of truth & justice.
I'm not likening Palestine to Auschwitz. I don't know enough about Palestine to say. I do see similarities. People made to go where they don't want to, based on their religion or racial background. (Gee, isn't that discriminatory!) People living in fear for their lives... (All the rage in the Middle East these days.) People being killed. The numbers may differ, and sure, there aren't, so far as we know, "gas chambers" in Palestine (ignoring the debate about the use of gas chambers at Auschwitz), but does it really have to reach that point to be "wrong"? Does the point that Palestine is a "lesser" evil somehow make it OK, or change the obvious fact that the Jewish leadership is behaving suspiciously like Nazis themselves? The non-Jewish in Israel are second class citizens. How is that defensible to anyone but an Israeli Jew or an American Senator?
As to his "futuristic style of writing", I've never read it, so far as I know. Again, this is leading into the realm of an ad hominem attack -- attempting to discredit the writer because of his beliefs or because of other disagreements with him. Whether or not the information I've read is true has nothing to do with his flights of fancy or his hatred or alleged hatred for all things Zionist.
By saying Zionists but denying Israel's right to exist is not reality. The only way to rid the Jews in Israel(the hidden agenda) is to murder them and if that isn't Hitleresque then nothing is.
What is "Israel's right to exist"? What about Palestine's right to exist? What about the occupants of the land that were evicted to make room for Israel? It's a complex problem. Here we have Jews being used to create unrest in the Middle East, and we have Jews using the US to have the physical might to fight off the various Arab peoples that were in their way.
I grant that murdering them all is not a good solution, and if that is what Viall's is advocating in his "futuristic writings", then I would disagree with those. That does not, however, mean that his assessment of things right now is wrong.
If I had to wait around for someone I agree with 100% before listening to what he has to say... well, that's about as closed-minded as I could possibly get, because such a person probably doesn't exist.
I'm not likening Palestine to Auschwitz. I don't know enough about Palestine to say. I do see similarities. People made to go where they don't want to, based on their religion or racial background. (Gee, isn't that discriminatory!) People living in fear for their lives... (All the rage in the Middle East these days.) People being killed. The numbers may differ, and sure, there aren't, so far as we know, "gas chambers" in Palestine (ignoring the debate about the use of gas chambers at Auschwitz), but does it really have to reach that point to be "wrong"? Does the point that Palestine is a "lesser" evil somehow make it OK, or change the obvious fact that the Jewish leadership is behaving suspiciously like Nazis themselves? The non-Jewish in Israel are second class citizens. How is that defensible to anyone but an Israeli Jew or an American Senator?
As to his "futuristic style of writing", I've never read it, so far as I know. Again, this is leading into the realm of an ad hominem attack -- attempting to discredit the writer because of his beliefs or because of other disagreements with him. Whether or not the information I've read is true has nothing to do with his flights of fancy or his hatred or alleged hatred for all things Zionist.
By saying Zionists but denying Israel's right to exist is not reality. The only way to rid the Jews in Israel(the hidden agenda) is to murder them and if that isn't Hitleresque then nothing is.
What is "Israel's right to exist"? What about Palestine's right to exist? What about the occupants of the land that were evicted to make room for Israel? It's a complex problem. Here we have Jews being used to create unrest in the Middle East, and we have Jews using the US to have the physical might to fight off the various Arab peoples that were in their way.
I grant that murdering them all is not a good solution, and if that is what Viall is advocating in his "futuristic writings", then I would disagree with those. That does not, however, mean that his assessment of things right now is wrong.
If I had to wait around for someone I agree with 100% before listening to what he has to say... well, that's about as closed-minded as I could possibly get, because such a person probably doesn't exist.
I'm not likening Palestine to Auschwitz. I don't know enough about Palestine to say. I do see similarities. People made to go where they don't want to, based on their religion or racial background. (Gee, isn't that discriminatory!) People living in fear for their lives... (All the rage in the Middle East these days.) People being killed. The numbers may differ, and sure, there aren't, so far as we know, "gas chambers" in Palestine (ignoring the debate about the use of gas chambers at Auschwitz), but does it really have to reach that point to be "wrong"? Does the point that Palestine is a "lesser" evil somehow make it OK, or change the obvious fact that the Jewish leadership is behaving suspiciously like Nazis themselves? The non-Jewish in Israel are second class citizens. How is that defensible to anyone but an Israeli Jew or an American Senator?
As to his "futuristic style of writing", I've never read it, so far as I know. Again, this is leading into the realm of an ad hominem attack -- attempting to discredit the writer because of his beliefs or because of other disagreements with him. Whether or not the information I've read is true has nothing to do with his flights of fancy or his hatred or alleged hatred for all things Zionist.
By saying Zionists but denying Israel's right to exist is not reality. The only way to rid the Jews in Israel(the hidden agenda) is to murder them and if that isn't Hitleresque then nothing is.
What is "Israel's right to exist"? What about Palestine's right to exist? What about the occupants of the land that were evicted to make room for Israel? It's a complex problem. Here we have Jews being used to create unrest in the Middle East, and we have Jews using the US to have the physical might to fight off the various Arab peoples that were in their way.
I grant that murdering them all is not a good solution, and if that is what Viall's is advocating in his "futuristic writings", then I would disagree with those. That does not, however, mean that his assessment of things right now is wrong.
If I had to wait around for someone I agree with 100% before listening to what he has to say... well, that's about as closed-minded as I could possibly get, because such a person probably doesn't exist.
excuse me #12521 maybe Im taking your post out of context but your finger pointing sounds like one of the most confusing mixed up jumbled messages of blame i have seen so far ! I dont understand what this post is implying and who you are blaming ! It appears to be everyone else out there except yourself! The left the right the middle all over the place it seems, and what exactly are you defending ! And what has brought you to such spiteful rhetoric! Confused!
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