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  • Why does exercise cause die-off?? by  Johnny Vegas  9 year  3,074  Candida Support
    We all seem to be exercising lately - and getting die-off as a result.

    I'm inviting suggestions as to why (aerobic) exercise causes die-off. Here are 3 possibilities:

    1. Raises core-body temperature (candida hates the heat)
    2. Oxygenates the body (candida hates oxygen)
    3. Sweating activates detox pathways

    Got any better ideas?

    JV.

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    • Re: Why does exercise cause die-off?? by  jenlogan  9 year  3,120
      I have intestinal candida, and the reason I get die-off from exercise is because of your 2nd point up there - it oxygenates my body. I like to do the exercise bike because then the oxygen is targeted at my abdominal section, which as you all know is where the intestinal track is. I do not get the same benefits from running as I do from biking because then the oxygen is not targeted at my lower body. Oxygen is unlike any "antifungal" that is used against candida; therefore, it cannot adapt to it, making it an ideal way of dealing with a yeast infection.

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    • Re: Why does exercise cause die-off?? by  johng  9 year  3,103
      there is something else to consider. overexertion causes the excess release of acid in the muscle tissue. this can make you feel like crap, especially in people whose detox pathways are impaired. its possible that what some people is a good "die off" reaction is actually a sign of excess acid in the body, a reason not to overdo the workouts.

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      • Re: Why does exercise cause die-off?? by  sans sucre  9 year  3,128
        John that is a good point. I am a tad skeptical of the many experiences that are labelled "die off". What my doc has told me about die off appears to be true, at least for me - that it starts approx. 1-2 days after starting an antifungal (because it takes that long for you to build up enough waste from the killing for it to make you feel bad), lasts a couple days to a week at the very most, symptoms include fatigue, muscle (especially neck) pain and tenderness, and some nausea, and then you feel better. I had in the past been mistaking an excess load on my liver as die off, and food and supplement intolerances as die off. Once I nailed this conection, I have begun to get well, with no flip flopping back and forth into feeling crappy, then feeling better, etc. I wonder if others are not paying enough attention to these possibilites.

        One the other hand, exercise is very good and will assist in recovery. The idea that it can be overdone though makes sense. There is a tendency to increse intake of antifungals when one thinks it is helping (which is usually because they feel bad which they think is die off, then feel better). But, I found that if I overdid antifungals it often made me feel worse, and it was NOT because I was getting more die off as I thought, but because my liver couldn't take it or because I had an unrecognized allergy to the antifungal. So, feeling better after that was not because more candida had been killed, but because my liver got a break after I backed off. It took me 2 years to discover this conection. My doc kept saying I would never get over candida until I resolved my allergies, and I would kind of go "yeah, yeah, what is the next antifungal I can try", but it turned out he was 100% on target and now the candida seems to be falling away, practically on its own, and my food world is opening up.

        You guys may be right about exercise/die-off, but just wanted to offer another perspective. Ultimatley, we know our own bodies best :)

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        • Re: Why does exercise cause die-off?? by  yugo  9 year  3,008
          Hi Sans Sucre,

          When you talk about the allergies, do you mean just allergies to antifungals, or do you also mean allergies to food? Can you elaborate a little more on how you figured out which was an allergy and which was die-off? I hope that makes sense. Thanks.

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          • Re: Why does exercise cause die-off?? by  sans sucre  9 year  3,015
            Hi Yugo - sorry to get back so late - been off forum for a while. . .

            I mean both food and antifungals. And basically, it was a lot of paying attention that helped me, and it took me almost 2 years to sort it out. First, I had some IgE and IgG allergy testing done, which gave me a base line forom which to start. The tests were not perfect - some things I reacted to did not show up and other I don't react to did, but I would say it was about 75% on target. Then I kept a food diary of what I ate on one page and symptoms that would happen after eating on the facing page. Sometimes reactions would be fairly immediate (within an hour or 2 at the most), and these were the easiest to pin down. Then I would also notice how I felt the next day. Some IgG allergies don't show up until a day or so. Then, if I ate something that I knew I did not usually react to, but I got a reaction anyway, I looked to my supplements. I would eliminate them and see if it made any difference. Another thing I would do is look to see if something made sense. For instance, I had been taking GSE forever, and d-uh, I have a pretty strong allergy to grapefruit, so getting rid of that helped.

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        • Re: Why does exercise cause die-off?? by  Grrr  9 year  3,000
          My doc kept saying I would never get over candida until I resolved my allergies, and I would kind of go "yeah, yeah, what is the next antifungal I can try", but it turned out he was 100% on target and now the candida seems to be falling away, practically on its own, and my food world is opening up.



          Allergies are caused by candida's ability to cross the blood-brain barrier, allowing food and other outside particulates to enter the bloodstream. This is also referred to as the Leaky Gut Syndrome. So the doc's statement is actually turned around, you'll never get rid of allergies until resolving the candida problem. In my experience most doctors have not studied candida enough to know what a wide ranging problem it is.

          I have been battling candida for more than 8 years, and have also been through various antifungals along the way. One VERY IMPORTANT thing to remember is that unless you replace your intestinal flora (bacteria) with probiotics all the antifungal use will have failed once you stop taking them. The candida will just come right back unless you restock the gut with friendly bacteria. This is why its important to take probiotics along with antifungals. There are 3 very good brands to look for: Natures Biotic, Probiotic Advantage, and Primal Defense. All of these are good ones and offer a broad spectrum of bacteria that closely matches naturally occuring flora in our gut.

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      • Re: Why does exercise cause die-off?? by  Grrr  9 year  3,114
        overexertion causes the excess release of acid in the muscle tissue. this can make you feel like crap, especially in people whose detox pathways are impaired. its possible that what some people is a good "die off" reaction is actually a sign of excess acid in the body, a reason not to overdo the workouts.



        The buildup of "Lactic Acid" is a result of not enough oxygenated blood supply to the muscles. Continued exercise will result in more efficient exchange of oxygen to lactic acid. Regular aerobic exercise, as opposed to anaerobic, is the best way to build up your stamina as well as kill off candida in the inner recesses of the muscle tissue. The old exercise saying "feel the burn" is referring to this lactic acid buildiup and will improve with time. When candida cells die-off, they release toxins which can cause a new series of symptoms. The best way to eliminate these is exercise, sweating, and drinking plenty of water. Sauna baths are a great way to get rid of these toxins. It is also effective for relief of skin problems due to candida.

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