Hi Doctor!
So the big chance is, that everything will be fine.
The question is, are there cases, that ended up with complications: emergency operations, death??? Anything else?
These cases should be studied and thought about how they could have been prevented.
There was never ever a serious complication to anyone???
My problem is, that I had pancreatitis before from a stuck gallstone. Until now I never dared to think about the flush, but I start to feel slowly beginning liver damage.
And all the things I read on this website, that I can do before really make me hope that I can finally do it.
May I get Your opinion - or someone elses?
Dear Doctor,
I live in Mongolia, where people eat a diet high in fat (animal fat), and so develop lots of gall bladder stones. GB removel ops are performed in hospitals... A friend of mine in her early 20s had gb attacks, so I started looking for a way to help her. I came across info as to how stones develop and how olive oil works to get them out. There wasn't any specific recipe, so I made one up based on the info I had, and the stuff that's available here (wouldn't know where to find Epsom Salts !). My recipe is: 250ml olive oil, 250ml apple juice, 1tbl lemon acid powder. (People are poor here, and lemons are hard to find, and if you find them, expensive... Olive oil can only be found in the capital, also a little expensive, but hey, better than an op!)
My friend was helped by this recipe (proven through gravel like stones passed), though she had another attack about half a year later. We had an ultrasound done which showed no stones, but her gb was inflamed. The doctor told her to eat no fat (as I had). Changing her diet to include vegetables , she's been better ever since (Mongolians are meat-eaters, they also use flour, and perhaps throw in a few potatoes, carrots and cabbage if they can afford it - which is about all they eat, plus lots of sweets...).
Other people we've passed the recipe on to have reported stones coming out, as well as stomach pain improved or healed (how would that work?). They also complained of nausea and diarrhea (normal, I hear).
After this intro, on to my questions on safety:
I understood that large stones could get stuck in bile ducts and cause severe problems (like bile flowing back into the liver, causing liver obstruction or something and probably necessitating an op). So we required people to have ultrasound done first to determine the size of stones. If they are above 2cm we caution them. Right now we have a lady whose stone is 2.5 cm, according to the ultrasound.
My question is, from your email it sounded like this caution was unnecessary.
How big may gb stones be to do the flush without risk? I've seen pix of 4.5cm big stones...
Is there really no risk involved? In another message I read that you'll never get big stones out with a flush, you'd need to dissolve them first... One lady here did the flush with no apparent results and had an op thereafter. One of her stones was broken in half to the surprise of the doctor. Was that a result of the flush?
I don't want to see people die from my advice!!! So looking forward very much to your answers, (Did anyone ever die from doing a flush causing liver obstruction or whatever...)
You are correct that stones from the gall bladder can then move to where they block other ducts. PANCREATITUS is both extremely painful (even more so than the worst gall bladder attack)and extremely serious.
Pancreatitus results when the enzymes from the pancreas are blocked from exiting and back up into the pancreas. These enzymes are designed to digest food in the small intestine. When backed up into the pancreas, they start "digesting" the pancreas itself.
Because the pain is so intense, most people will end up in an emergency room. Also because the pain is so awful, the idea of removing the gall bladder seems a much better idea at that point.
It takes days and days of fasting to let the pancreas "settle down", but at least with the pain gone, the patient can decide on the options.
The very serious point is - THE PANCREAS IS AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT ORGAN AND REPEATED DAMAGE TO IT WILL RESULT IN DEATH.
A patient does have to weigh the risks in allowing more flushes to possibly block the pancreatic duct. People who have no additional pain during the course of flushes (during or BETWEEN flushes) have more time to cause imporvements in their system. But for people who have gotten pancreatitis (who thus tend to get stones stuck in the common duct or other sphincters), the options suddenly become much less optional.
Personally, I could not face that level of pain again (from pancreatitus). I have had my gall bladder removed. The surgeon found it to be so fibrous, it was like a lump of concrete attached to my liver. The fibers had not only thickened the gall bladder lining to an inch thick, but the fibers had grown from one side of the bladder, THROUGH the stones (dozens on large ones, plus hundreds of tiny ones) to the other side on the bladder.
None of the thickening had shown on the three sets of ultrasound pictures that had been taken while I did two flushes. I had only had three very painful gall bladder attacks in the preceeding four months. No one had any idea that the gall bladder had silently developed such a diseased state.
A patient must carefully monitor the severity of all painful episodes while doing flushes. Your body will indeed scream when the pancreas is threatened. Western medicine has its drawbacks, but remember that it also has saved many lives.
Tara,
nothing in this life is 100% safe. Certainly not Liver flush.
Life itself is not 100% safe. Every year hundreds of thousands of people dies inside their home,
never attempting liver flush, never holding a gun in their hands, never trying bungi-jumping or
enema.
The real question is not whether or not liver flush is safe?, the question is:
Is it safer to flush, or not to flush?
WHAT IS SAFER?
Can you answer that question?
Consider this:
Incidence (annual) of Cancer: 1,248,900 annual cases (SEER 2002 estimate) Incidence Rate: approx 1 in 217 or 0.46% or 1.2 million people in USA [about
data] Lifetime risk for Cancer: about 1 in 3 lifetime risk.
Statistically, if your famuly is 3 people, one of you will encounter cancer during life.
Pancreatitis can be a severe, life-threatening illness with many complications.
About 80,000 cases occur in the United States alone each year; some 20 percent (16,000)
of them are severe, life-threatening.
(Those cases, we will all agree, refer to people who never tried liver flush, because most people in
the world never consciously attempted liver flush.)
Consider this:
My educated guess is that by flushing liver regularly, you are:
1,000 times decreasing your chances of ever encountering
Pancreatitis.
1,000,000 times decreasing your chances of ever encountering
Symptomatic Gallstones.
500,000 times decreasing your chances of ever encountering
Cholecystectomy.(1% of deaths)
1,000 times .... Heart Disease. (30.3% of deaths)
100,000 times .... Cancer. (23.0% of deaths)
500,000 times .... Diabetes Type I
and II.(2.9% of deaths)
500,000 times ... Allergies.
1,000 times ... Arthritis.
1,000 times ... IBD/Colitis/Chron's.
1,000 times ... Psoriasis.
1,000 times ... Eczema.
500 times ... Alzheimer.
500 times ... Parkinson's.
500 times ... Multiple Sclerosis.
1,000 times ... Life threatening Flu.
1,000 times ... Death Caused by Doctor's Error.(30% of deaths)
1,000 times ... 100s of other conditions.
Why did I chose those illness?
Because over 90% of deaths in USA, Canada, UK (and the rest of the western world) are directly or
indirectly associated with the above mentioned conditions.
Is it safer to flush, or not to flush?
What is your answer?
Statistics
By flushing your liver, you are many times decreasing your chances of becoming a part of
similar statistics:
Heart disease
Prevalence and incidence statistics for Heart disease: (see also
prevalence and incidence
page for Heart disease) Prevalance of Heart disease: 155 per 1000 - NHIS95; 58 million; 9 million American women
(NHLBI); 370,000 women die annually Prevalance Rate: approx 1 in 6 or 15.50% or 42.2 million people in USA [about
data]
Death and mortality statistics for Heart disease: Deaths from Heart disease: 725,192 annual deaths (NVSR Sep 2001); 30.3% of deaths Cause of death rank: 1st leading cause of death in 1999 and 2000 (CDC). Average life years lost for Heart disease: 11.0 years (SEER)
Society statistics for Heart disease Costs for Heart disease: $214.0 billion with $115.0b direct, $19.0b morbidity, $80.0b
mortality (NHLBI 2002) Costs for Heart disease: Heart disease and stroke cost the nation almost $260 billion
annually. 1
About statistics: This page presents a variety of statistics about Gallstones. The term
'prevalence' of Gallstones usually refers to the estimated population of people who are managing
Gallstones at any given time. The term 'incidence' of Gallstones refers to the annual diagnosis
rate, or the number of new cases of Gallstones diagnosed each year. Hence, these two statistics
types can differ: a short-lived disease like
flu can have high annual incidence but
low prevalence, but a life-long disease like
diabetes has a low annual
incidence but high prevalence. For more information see
about prevalence and incidence statistics.
Prevalence and incidence statistics for Gallstones: (see also
prevalence and incidence page
for Gallstones) Prevalance of Gallstones: 16 million - 16 to 22 million people (1976-87/NIDDK); 1 in 10
Americans has gallstones Prevalance Rate: approx 1 in 17 or 5.88% or 16 million people in USA [about
data] Prevalance of Gallstones: Symptomatic gallstones result in 600,000 hospitalizations and more
than 500,000 operations each year in the United States. 1... Prevalence: 16 to 22
million people (1976-87)2
Death and mortality statistics for Gallstones: Deaths from Gallstones: 2,975 deaths (NIDDK 1985) Deaths from Gallstones: Mortality: 2,975 (1985)3 Hospitalizations for Gallstones: Hospitalizations: 800,000 (1987)4 Physician office visits for Gallstones: Physician office visits: 600,000 to 700,000 (1985)5 Prescriptions for Gallstones: Prescriptions: 195,000 (1985)6 Disability from Gallstones: Disability: 48,000 people (1983-87) 7 Procedures for Gallstones: Surgical procedures: 500,000 cholecystectomies (1987)8
Incidence (annual) of Cancer: 1,248,900 annual cases (SEER 2002 estimate) Incidence Rate: approx 1 in 217 or 0.46% or 1.2 million people in USA [about
data] Lifetime risk for Cancer: about 1 in 3 lifetime risk.
Death and mortality statistics for Cancer: Deaths from Cancer: 555,500 annual deaths (SEER 2002 estimate); 549,838 annual deaths in
1999 (NVSR Sep 2001); 23.0% of deaths. Cause of death rank: 2nd top cause of death in 1999 and 2000 (CDC) Average life years lost for Cancer: 15.0 years (SEER)
Diabetes:
Prevalence and incidence statistics for Diabetes: (see also
prevalence and incidence page
for Diabetes) Prevalance of Diabetes: 16 million Americans with 10.3 million diagnosed and 8.1 million
women (NWHIC); 65 per 1000 - NHIS95; 8 million - perhaps 16 million if include not-yet-diagnosed. Prevalance Rate: approx 1 in 17 or 5.88% or 16 million people in USA [about
data] Incidence (annual) of Diabetes: approximately 798,000 new cases diagnosed annually in USA
(CDC-OC) Incidence Rate: approx 1 in 340 or 0.29% or 798,000 people in USA [about
data] Undiagnosed prevalence of Diabetes: 5.7 million Americans (based on NWHIC) Undiagnosed prevalence rate: approx 1 in 47 or 2.10% or 5.7 million people in USA [about
data] Prevalance of Diabetes: According to recent estimates, the prevalence of diabetes in the
United States is predicted to be 8.9 percent of the population by 2025. 1... About
16 million Americans have diabetes, but only about 10 million have been diagnosed.2 Incidence of Diabetes: Approximately 798,000 new cases of diabetes are diagnosed annually in
the United States.3... New cases diagnosed per year: 798,000. 4
Death and mortality statistics for Diabetes: Deaths from Diabetes: 68,399 annual deaths; 2.9% of deaths (CDC/1999) Cause of death rank: 6th leading cause of death in 1999 and 2000 (CDC). Average life years lost for Diabetes: 13.8 years (SEER)
Society statistics for Diabetes Costs for Diabetes: DCCT researchers estimate that intensive management doubles the cost of
managing diabetes because of increased visits to a health care professional and the need for more
frequent blood testing at home. However, this cost is offset by the reduction in medical expenses
related to long-term complications and by the improved quality of life of people with diabetes.5
Prevalence and incidence statistics for Arthritis: (see also
prevalence and incidence page
for Arthritis) Prevalance of Arthritis: 37 million Americans (NIAMS); 245 per 1000 - NHIS95; 43 million Prevalance Rate: approx 1 in 7 or 13.60% or 37 million people in USA [about
data] Prevalance of Arthritis: An estimated 40 million people in the United States have arthritis
or other rheumatic conditions. By the year 2020, this number is expected to reach 59 million.
Rheumatic diseases are the leading cause of disability among adults age 65 and older.1
Society statistics for Arthritis Costs for Arthritis: $15.2 billion annually Costs for Arthritis: Recent estimates place the direct medical cost of arthritis at $15.2
billion per year, with total costs of medical care and lost wages exceeding $64 billion. 2
Misdiagnosis can and does occur and is reasonably
common with error rates ranging from
1.4% in cancer biopsies to a high 20-40% misdiagnosis rate in emergency or ICU care. Surveys of
patients also indicate the chance of experiencing a misdiagnosis to range from 8% to 40%. This makes
misdiagnosis one of the most common types of
medical mistakes.
There are various reasons as to why a
misdiagnosis can occur including errors by doctors, specialists, and laboratory tests. The
patient can also contribute to an error in various ways.
Misdiagnosis does not occur equally for all conditions but follows certain patterns. Some
conditions are inherently more difficult
to diagnose, whereas common familiar conditions are less commonly misdiagnosed. Some diseases are
over-diagnosed whereas other
conditions are more commonly
under-diagnosed or overlooked.
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