where did this stone come from that they think is in my liver duct since i have moderately abnormal liver function and the scopes and the ct showed nothing but i have alot of pain ?
is the stone left from when i had the gallbladder surgery two years ago?
and how many do i have floating around in my body? thats what concerns me!
> where did this stone come from that they think is in my liver duct since i have moderately abnormal liver function and the scopes and the ct showed nothing but i have alot of pain ?
Stones you are talking about are formed inside your liver, inside intrahepatic bile ducts.
Look at Images on this web site to see stones inside liver ducts.
They didn't come from your gallbladder, your gallbladder is out.
Stones are usually first formed inside liver, then "roll down" to gallbladdre, where they continue growing and causing paiful problems.
We all have those stones inside our livers, that is why we flush liver.
That is why we get hundreds or even thousands of stones when we do a Liver Flush .
Do you think that we can have place inside our gallbladder for 5000 stones ?
It must be a really huge gallbladder, don't you think ?
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Gallbladder surgery is often just a first surgery on the raw.
A friend of mine, who is working in a hospital, has seen records of people who have been comeing for new surgery or for an ERCP every 1 or 2 or 3 years.
Every 1 or 2 or 3 years there is another stone stuck inside bile ducts, and another surgery.
She has seen records of people who have had 7 surgeries or 7 ERCP-s removals of the stone.
And stupid doctors (or very smart), still do not understand (or have no interest in understanding it) that stones are formed inside liver.
Why ?
Because Ultrasound, x-ray, CAT scan, HIDA scan, ... can not detect anything inside liver. Blood test can not detect it. Stetoscope can not detect it. Well, that is as far as most doctors will go.
Most people are uninformed, and will come back again and again, for te same procedure.
If you don't use your brain, ... people make money ..
Stones (sometimes up to 3000 of them) are usually "stuck" inside your liver bile ducts and "waiting" to "go out" through common bile duct.
Until you have galbladder full of stones, AND until you have your gallbladder removed, it is almost 100% sure you have at least 1000 - 2000 stones "stuck" inside intrahepatic bile ducts (bile ducts inside liver).
Over 80% of people older then 30 have intahepatic stones, and 99.999% of people older then 55.
Almost avryone have stones, or will get them, sooner or later.
Intrahepatic stones are MAIN COFACTOR (causative agent, one of many other causative agents) for more then 95% of all diseases and disorders, including "incurable diseases" like: allergies, asthma, hypertension, constipation, digestive problems, Diabaets, cardiovascular diseases, eye problems, ulcer, cancer, AIDS, alzheimers, parkinsons, shoulder pain, arm pain, intestinal infections, IBS, IBS, CFIDS, MCS, MS, FMS, Arthritis, OA, ...
Just the fact that you HAVE NO gallbladder does not change anything.
Your liver is still full of stones.
Removal of gallbladder can only help with poain.
It does not cure the main cause of the problem.
To get stuck stone pass through the rest of common bile duct, just do a full liver flush, as described by Dr.Clark, 2 cups of epsom salt+water at 6pm and 8pm, one cup of olive oil+grapefruit juice at 10pm, and 2 cups of epsom salt+eater at 6am and 8am, next morning. (Find link to liver flush at the bottom of this message.)
You can (should) do it already tomorrow.
Sleep well, visit toilet whenever you have to.
You should put a white, plastic colander in the toilet when you eliminate so you can observe your feces. The fluids will wash right through the colander, leaving the solids behind for inspection.
If you use a popsicle stick to poke through your feces you may see:
- Live or dead parasites, ranging from two- to three-foot-long worms to tiny ones that can barely be seen. (There will also be others that are too small to be seen without a microscope.)
- Stones of different shape, size and colour, which will most likely float, if you put them into water.
Put stones into plastic bowl with water.
Pick up all the stones that are floating on the top of the water, as well stones that are on the bottom, wash them, count them, take photo of them (on good daily light) to show to your relatives and friends (and of course, to us), put them into few plastic bags and freez them, to be able to show them later, and to be able to compare them to the stones you will get in next flush, or to show them to your grand children.
If kept on room temperature, stones (almost always over 95% cholesterol) may be "attacked" by intestinal bacteria, and may get converted into bile acids, into bile, into smelly liquid. In that case you will not have much to show.
Why should you show it to them ?
Because they HAVE THE SAME STONES INSIDE THEIR LIVER.
BECAUISE, if they know about it, they may keep their gallbladder and their health.
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Then, take some time to share your experience with us.
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>Can the flush help your stone stuck in duct??????????????
The main purpose of Liver flush (Liver cleanse) is to flush all stones that stuck inside intrahepatic bile ducts (bile ducts inside liver), which are all connected to the bile duct that leads to common bile ducts, which leads both, bile and pancreatic digestive juices into duodenum.
Usually, intrahepatic bile ducts are not wider den common bile duct.
Common bile duct shoud be the widest duct.
That means that stones that can pass through intrahepatic bile ducts (bile ducts inside liver), can always pass through common bile duct.
People have reported passing stones as big as golf ball, when doing flush.
Even children get stones few inch across.
If kids can do it, you can do it.
Men usually pass stones that are bigger then women.
One man passed stones that have been as big as his fist.
After analysing them, you coud see that thay have been composed from many smaller stones.
It is possible that some of those stones clumped together into few big "balls" while passing through colon, just before he pass them.
Why do we think that people should avoid surgery ?
Let's forget all the side efects, and just think that person feels perfectly OK after surgery. (some people actually does feel better for very long time, until they develop cardiovascular problems, hypertension, allergies, ...)
After surgery, few months or years, one big stone, one of 2000 inside liver, may "decide" to move down and "stuck" inside your bile ducts.
Then, doctor tells you that you need another surgery.
I am glad I have come across this site. My husband and I just did another liver cleanse found on this website http://www.relfe.com/gall_stone_cleanse.html which didn't involve any Epsom Salts .
The results were staggering still. I passed 50 big jade green stones.
Since then I have a discomfort in my right hand side but a lot lower than the rib cage. Do you think it has to do with more Gallstones that are still inside me?
Congratulations on your flush! The pain you are describing sounds like a stone problem. You can either do another flush immediately or you can take a little Epsom Salt to help the pain.
Just remember that it takes MANY flushes before you are stone free. Most people wait 2-3 weeks in between flushes. (That is, unless you are in pain and you can flush right away.)
I just did a galbladder cleanse and found many, many small stones, I have no galbladder. I wanted to also do a liver cleanse and you have just helped to encourage me to do so. Thank you very much. Have you ever heard of drinking hydrated clay? I have been doing this and feeling very nice results. Thank you again.
I've had my gallbladder removed. Whenever I eat anything oily or fatty I get zits and even the beginings of hives on my face. It's very unpleasant. I also get pains across my stomach after oil.
So naturally, I'm worried about doing a flush and consuming half a cup of olive oil. I'm afraid I'll be in pain and my face will erupt. Weird thing is, the oil problem is probably caused by a stagnant liver in the first place.
But can I be sure I'm not harming myself in the process of doing a Liver Flush ?
I just finished the tenth glass of water/olive oil/lemon juice and have already started to pass stones. I came across this board yesterday and decided to try a Liver Flush even though I had my gall bladder out two years ago. Is it normal to start passing stones right away after the flush?
Hi Claire,
I would like to do the liver flush but like you have no gallbladder. I had mine out 4 months ago. I was wondering if your liver flush turned out OK? I was concerned about a stone from the liver getting stuck in one of the ducts and having to have another surgery as a result of doing a Liver Flush . Do you know if this is possible?
Thank you for any information you or others can give me.
Laurie
From: "Vic and Rosemary"
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 17:42:30 -0700
Subject: Re: [gallstones] Re: Gall Bladder Attack or no?
Reply-To: gallstones@yahoogroups.com
Dear Alex,
My doctor is VERY conservative and honest. She is not usually into alternative medicine. When I told her I was thinking of doing a Liver Flush she said it is not unusual for a person to have stones and sludge in their liver, even after having the gall-bladder out.
My husband and I have now done 6 flushes since January. We have had lots of stones come out and certainly feel better for it. None of these stones showed up on x-ray or ultra-sound, despite me having bad attacks which sent me to hospital.
I would encourage you to try the flush. It is easy, cheap and can be done in the privacy of your own home.
Warm regards,
Rosemary.
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Morese
To: gallstones@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 4:55 AM
Subject: [gallstones] Re: Gall Bladder Attack or no?
Thanks for the response. I am not so worried about the reflux
anymore, the attacks are 100 times worse than anything I used to go
through, and now that I have changed my diet the heartburn is down
about 80%. I still smoke though, and I know that is no good for the
digestion too.
I am just a little skeptical of the whole flush. I am trying to get
a handle on it. I have a chiropractor and nutritionist telling me
that it works and a gastroenterologist telling me its hooey. Plus
you have Dr. Weil saying its hooey, and he is one that you can
usually count on for alternative opinions.
I have such a hard time grasping how so many intelligent and
experienced people could have differing opinions on such a simple
thing. It either works or it doesnt. Stones are either produced in
liver or not, if they are I would think over the years with all the
autopsies, it wouldnt be hard to establish this. Every time you cut
into a liver it would be full with stones, at least some, by the
account of Clark. That would be undeniable in western medicine if
it were true.
I don't know, I am just sick of the pain and the fear of an
impending attack all the time.
Back in 2000 I had a baby in May. Four months later I had bad back pain in the shoulder area, this had been happening for a while but then i went to the ER due to the extreme pain. There I had my gallbladder and some stones removed. Now in Dec 2002 I had another baby and now it has past another 4 months and I am starting to feel the same pain could I have Gallstones again?
I had one lady who had her gallbladder removed over ten years ago and she had liver pain ever since. She did a Liver Flush each day for four days and eliminated over 500 gallstones, the biggest at 1 inch. Since then she has had no pain and keeps it that way with flushes once a month.
The biggest mistake is to remove the gallbladder for the gallbladder does not produce the stones, it just stores them for elimination and quite often they will become stuck. Without the gallbladder, they remain in the liver enlarging it as more are accumulated.
Anyone who says Liver Flushes are nonsense hasn't taken one nor have they seen the results of one and I suggest you avoid them. A good flush will also break up fecal matter and worms. I have photos of 16 inch worms and reports of fecal matter two feet long being eliminated from people who have taken them.
Tracy
Strangely enough, I was told that even without the gallbladder it is possible to develop stones that can show up in the ducts or liver. The body is a mysterious machine!
I noticed that the stones I've produced tend to be of two types: bright green shiny smooth jewel-like blobs and brown, lumpy, spotty blobs that are usually bigger in size.
Is it possible that the green stones come directly out of the liver and the brown lumpy ones are a conglomeration of the little green ones that get glued together in the gall bladder?
My big brown ones look like they are a bunch of the green ones glued or smooshed together, with only the color being different. Some of the brown ones even fall apart into smaller smooth lumps, the only difference between them and the green ones is color.
Also, anyone know why these things form in the first place? Is it the liver's way of isolating toxic or foreign substances? I can't find any thought theories on this, just "the facts"
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