I did my first flush 3 weeks ago and did not notice ANY stones. I did not even have any bowel movement either...Just nothing! I had done everything according to the schedule/recipe.
I did another Liver Flush yesterday and a friend did it with me and this was his first. I AGAIN had no noticeable stones...I did have bowel movements but NO stones and very few "pieces" of floating particles! We both did the exact same routine at the exact same time. My friend did pass numerous stones in every bowel movement...perhaps 50 in total...mostly pea size.
Can anyone give me some insight as to why I would not pass anything in two flushes?
I only ate 1/2 hard roll with teaspoon of jam the day of the flush at 9 am and NOTHING after that (I know I could have eaten til 2 but thought I would make sure I developed enough liver pressure).
I am excited to learn about this flush as my liver functions were UP with my last blood analysis. So any information would be appreciated. Thanks
> Can anyone give me some insight as to why I would not pass anything in two flushes?
Karen,
sometimes people just don't pass the stones easily.
Sometimes, people don't have stones.
Liver can be ill and without stones.
Sometimes, liver is in poor health that it takes months before you get to the point to pass stones.
There could be many reasons for you not passing stones.
Take some time to do parasites cleanse, and to improve your diet.
Juicing, good fats, herbs that stimulates bile flow, lecithin, flax seed oil, olive oil, balanced diet, physical activity, ...
There are many possible things you can do.
Read the story below. Jeanne Marie did 3 cleanses without results. After few months she start passing stones and improving her health.
You can find this story in the archive of Gallstones group at yahoogroups.com
From: Jomma@aol.com
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 14:04:47 EDT
To: gallstones@onelist.com
Subject: [gallstones] Clueless in Stones
Hi all.
Thank you Dusan for leading me here to this wonderful place. I have a question for anyone with knowledge.
I have done the Hulda Clark method of liver cleansing twice.
The first time (about a month ago) I passed what looked like an entangled mess of fishing line.
Terrible I know. I had been on a parasite cleanse for two months and thought I had killed everything, I guess I was wrong. Also, the night I did the cleanse I felt very very sick.....I needed to throw up, but restrained with all my might. I did not see any stones.
Last night I did another cleanse....this time I had diarrhea in the middle of the night.
(The first time I don't think the epson salts helped my bowels at all....the only time I went to the bathroom was to pass the parasites). Anyhow, I don't think I saw any stones again. Luckily, no parasites either. However,
I was wondering how big are these stones? Tiny, visible, large? I saw flecks of whitish tan substance, but really not much of anything floating on the surface.
Also, I have a constant slight uncomfortable feeling on my right side....(I am guessing my liver or gallbladder)....Did I stir something up? It is not painful, just uncomfortable. Perhaps I have a giant stone wedged in there?
What to do now?
Thanks in advance!
Jeanne Marie
From: Jomma@aol.com
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:16:12 EDT
To: gallstones@onelist.com
Subject: [gallstones] Frustrated
I have tried three unsuccessful liver cleanses. The first one I passed nothing but parasites and felt very ill.
The second time I passed one very light tan stone.
The third time I passed a few tan stones, but none green and very few.
What am I doing wrong?
I am following Hulda Clark's method to a tee.
The last two times, though I did not get sick, I felt very tired and had a terrible headache.
Can anyone help???:
Jomma
Message: 3
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 00:17:34 EST
From: Jomma@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Cleanses really eliminating stones?
Hi all,
Just a note about my experiences. I have had tons of bowel problems....and I have been shrugged off by most doctors as "Crohns Disease" or "Irritable Bowel Syndrome", both of which have no cure and very little help available.
I also had a terrible endocrine disorder, a borderline diabetic state (resulting in Polycystic ovaries), lowered immunity......etc. I researched so many things and tried so many remendies....the best one, was the day I gave up sugar. If there is a thing such as a sugar allergy, I must have it.
Regardless, I have had liver pain and yellowness of the skin on and off. One ultrasound showed no stones. HOWEVER, my brother had terrible pain (thought he was dieing) and went to the hospital on three occasions. All three times they told him his gallbladder was fine. The fourth time he refused to leave until they found out what was wrong with him or put him out of his misery.
His internist came did a fourth ultrasound and asked when he had his
gallbladder removed. When he said he hadn't, they operated immediately. His gallbladder's blood supply had been cut off by massive stones and shriveled up to nothing.
Some dependable ultrasound.
Also, I did three cleanses and never got anything out. Frustrated, I was lead to Julia and her wondrous Gold Coin Grass (however, apple juice all day works well too!)
A congested liver packed with stones or debris will not eliminate stones.
This is important! I ate on apple products all day. I drank tons of apple juice.
AND the first time I took the epson salts I passed stones! This was even before I drank the oil concoction. The next morning I passed even more and I felt GREAT!
So, if the diet and cleanse are to blame...I am here to tell you , it is not the oil, because I passed stones before I even drank the oil and grapefruit/lemon.
Just my two or three cents,
Jomma
Message: 3
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 10:52:52 EST
From: Jomma@aol.com
Subject: Re: A "Healthy" Experience
I feel the same way! I, too had put my entire trust into physician after physician seeking out some alternative or answer to my health problems.
I was diagnosed as having endometriosis and surgery was the only answer.
(however, women who had the surgery suggested it only helped for a few months and then it was back to the operating room.
Usually ONCE a year!!!!!!!)
A few years later, a modified diet, a yearly parasite and liver
cleanse.......and life has never been better!
Jomma
From: Jomma@xxx.xxx
Date: Thu Dec 30, 1999 4:46 pm
Subject: Re: How can they POSSIBLY?
Try drinking lots of apple juice/cider the day before and the day of the
cleanse.
Apple juice works wonders in breaking down stones.
I had such a congested liver I could not get any stones out successfully with
the cleanse. After four tries, I used the apple juice and the stones come
out in little pieces. Drink as much as you can.
Also, check out Julia Chang's website concerning Chinese herbs. She has been
so helpful to me and sells a product that dissolves the stones and another to
help cleanse the liver (Gold Coin Grass, Chinese Bitters)
http://www.sensiblehealth.com/prime.html
Besides having great products, she will answer questions for you and is very
nice.
Best of luck, it is possible!
Jomma
From: Jomma@xxx.xxx
Date: Sat Jan 8, 2000 6:22 pm
Subject: Help
I don't know what is wrong with me, but maybe someone can help.
The first few times I attempted a cleanse, nothing came out. Julia wrote me
privately and her Gold Coin Grass along with lots of apple juice FINALLY
helped me move stones. However, not many. (maybe 50-70).
I have since tried the cleanse and all I get out is 5 or so.
This is the problem. I have reoccurring nausea (sometimes with violent 15
hour vomiting). But usually for a few months every day I am struck with mild
nausea.
Not bad enough to make me throw up, but bad enough to make me stop what I am
doing to fight it off. It comes in waves every 1/2 hour all day, every day
for about a month or so. One day it went away. Now, three months later it
is back.
Also I notice at night that I can not sleep on my side (pain from the right
side) A dull muscle strain kind of hurt. Also, I seem to belch a lot. A
whole lot.
I have had an ultrasound, a lower scope, an upper scope, a barium drink and
xray.....and nothing has been found. They want to do another ultrasound.
I am at my wits end and am at the point where if I thought taking my
gallbladder out would help, I would do it myself!!!!!!!!
I am afraid to do another cleanse, when I feel so bad. I can't eat regular
food like this, I surely couldn't do a cleanse.
Any ideas?
I passed out 500-600 stones on my first cleanse! This is what I did:
First: I drank apple juice for five days before my cleanse. About 2-4 glasses a day. This helps to break down the coating that bonds the stones together. You should drink natural apple juice found at health food stores for at least five days before along with your regular meals.
Second: (Do this only if you know someone who can do this for you) Then I had my liver and gallbladder hooked up to two electrodes. I don't remember what the machine was called...sorry. The electrodes caused my gallbladder and liver to spasm. I did this for about 45 minutes. What this did was break up the stones and dislodge them so they are easier to pass.
Third: I followed Dr. Hulda Clark 's flush recipe. I thought that 4 tblsp of Epsom Salts was a bit excessive, so I cut it down to 2 tblsp. I used freshly juiced grapefruit instead of lemons which I juiced in my juicer. The fresher the better. I also found that mixing the grapefruit juice with the olive oil made the olive oil easier to consume.
I got amazing results from this recipe. Sorry Dr., my gallbladder stays...lol.
I have now completed 2 cleanses. The first one was very unpleasent due to some factors that were my fault, my last meal was fatty etc. I thought id try a second one the following week ( Hulda Clark s), i have just completed it and did not find any stones. I had some discomfort but generally it went very well. I am now thinking the lack of stones maybe due to parasites, as i did not go one the parasite prog beforehand.
Should i go ahead and do that now do u think or could it just be i don't have any stones to come out?
I did my first flush using Hulda Clark 's method two days ago. Previously I did the colon cleanse and the parasite cleanse. I put the Epsom Salts in mint green tea. I used grapefruit juice with the olive oil. I found the whole procedure surprisingly tolerable. I didn't use a net, but saw no floating stones. I feel much better. I have chronic fatigue syndrome. My mind is clearer and orthostatic intolerance (dizziness on standing) improved.
I want to do the flush again, perhaps with double the amount of oil. I read through the archives looking for more information. I am in my 60's and suspect that the stoned are impacted and difficult to dislodge. I came across references to herbs such as Chinese bitters, Gold coin grass, Coptis, and cucuma.
Please give me an internet source of supply for these herbs along with the rationale for their use, dosage, and directions. Where does one get a net? What kind of net is best?
Please give me any further tips for dealing with stones that are difficult to dislodge.
I have just assisted my friend with a the clarke Liver Flush and for sure everything was done with precise timing and ingredients. He has fibromyalgia and is 68 years old. He finished the last epsom drinks this morning. There were no stones in the bowel movement. Now he is back to juicing. We used apple juice with the Epsom Salt drink. He says never again and he would never recommend it, saying that his body felt a great resistance to taking this stuff, even though he has no problem with drinking it, being able to distance himself from the taste/smell. The whole thing made him quite ill, but he does look a little better this evening than this morning... But still there is a problem in that he has a great pain in his abdomen this night. Searching -- looking through archives... I recommended that he do an enema this evening. He has been juicing and bowel cleansing for around 3 weeks and there has been quite a lot of 'stuff' coming from the bowel. He has never done a flush and given his age and poor immunity I would think there would have been stones.
Questions:
Is it possible there are no stones?
Or are the stones possibly trapped in the bowel?
Is it normal that 1st flushes have no stones?
Are stones usually not a problem with Fibromyalgia?
How to make the epsom salt drink taste better?
Is there a flush that is better for people in a weakened condition?
What is the next best flushing alternative?
At least if there was some result, then maybe I could convince him to continue. But if it's all just causing pain, naseau and making one feel ill and no stones, then...
I just finished my 2nd flush. Before the first flush, I did a parasite cleanse. I followed everything to the T, and could find
no stones. On the 2nd flush, I ate raw foods mainly for 2 weeks prior, and tried to look more carefully, but
still no stones. Nice cleanout, though.
My question is if I'm not getting any stones, is this Liver Flush still a good idea to do? Or do I just not need
it? I'm healthy, rarely ill, athletic, perimenopausal. I had hepatitus about 18 years ago so I thought some
attention to my liver would be a good idea.
Did my second flush last night. So far (it is 7:30 am) after my first ES at 6:00. No stones, only yesterdays lunch (corn etal). My question is this. If I don't get any stones can I do another flush tonight? No pain but had some pressure off and on during the last two weeks since the first flush. I am disappointed to say the least. Of course once yesterdays food comes through the stones may be right behind it.
I followed all the instructions, yet all I got till now (4:30pm) is 10 to 12 watery bowel movements with little fecal matter and greenish color. I even went for colonics and that also did not produce anything.
Does this happen the first time ? When should I try again ? Also, I am feeling very weak. Will this pass ?
I am suffering from a inherited neurodegenerative disease called Cerebellar Ataxia, and was hoping that Liver Flush could give me some hope.
TRY APPLE JUICE WEEK PRIOR TO FLUSH. drinking 1000 cc (ml) of apple juice for the 5 days prior to your flush may help soften your stones and produce better results.
My stones were very soft and tan/green. I passed about 30-40, maybe more. On the second flush however, I didn't pass any. I'm possitive there are more stones because my digestion is still terrible.
I did an apple juice fast before I did the second flush, and still nothing.
Hi there,
According to Andeas Moritz, author of a Liver Flush book; the day of the flush you eat no sugars of any sort. The jam would have had some sort of sweetner in it, correct? Perhaps this was the reason no stones were flushed?
Karen,
I have been struggling with my elevated liver enzymes for about two years. I've had tons of blood tests done, x-rays, and even a liver biopsy. Nothing has told me any answers. I have pain in my upper middle and right abdomen throughout the last couple of years or more. I don't drink, smoke, no drugs/meds, I try to eat healthy, I'm not overweight, etc. I'm so worried and have no answers. I would really like to hear how your situation has been since your last post. We seem to have similair circumstances. If anyone else has any advice or suggestions to offer me I would really appreciate your thoughts.
MMarie
I've only done 2 flushes, both were amazing successes. I don't collect the stones but I'm sure the first flush yielded 100-200. The stones were smaller as were quantities of stone and sludge with the second.
First, I had been cleaning out parasites for months before the flush. Experienced flushers say that if you have parasities you will not release stones. Get a good product to kill parasites throughout the body. I like Intestenal Freedom, available from http://www.herbalhealer.com. Also, you have to first clean out impacted fecal matter from your colon. Parasites live in the hardened layers. Many colon cleansing products contain herbs that will also kill them.
Second, I took malic acid for at least week before each flush. I used the malic acid formula made by Solaray. Solaray uses high quality ingredients that are always in gelatin caps. Their Malic Acid blend has mega levels of Magnesium, Thiamine, B-6, along with a proprietary herb blend. The Solaray blend also has 1200 mg of Malic Acid, so you only have to take 2 capsules per day.
I am posting a link to a website I used to understand the flushing process and the procedure I followed. http://healthychristianliving.com/liver_cleanse.htm
I followed this procedure carefully, using organic fresh lemon juice and olive oil in separate cups. However I think you can start the flush on a day when you're active, as long as you follow the diet restrictions. If you pass stones, you will definitely need the second day to rest.
Where I experienced problems was after the first flush. My liver released toxins that caused fatigue, skin eruptions and kidney pain. Be prepared to take liver herbs and kidney teas. (I used milk thistle for the liver, AKN, by Nature's Way for the liver and skin, and Watermelon Seed Tea , for the kidneys.)
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